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Posted: 9/26/2005 6:37:44 PM EDT
I did a 7 day search and it didn't turn up anything, so forgive me if this is old news.

RRA announces a .458 SOCOM upper to be available late 2005!



Fantastic! The more momentum we can generate the more commercial loadings we may see.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 6:39:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 6:58:43 PM EDT
spitzer or flatnosed bullets?

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:01:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
spitzer or flatnosed bullets?



Whichever......there are quite a few loads using each.

The round was designed based on a 250gr Spitzer IIRC. I've seen loads using 300gr FNHP, 500gr RN, 600gr SP, solids, etc.....
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:13:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 7:16:05 PM EDT by donovan007007]
that .458 socom round looks like it will knock you on your ass hard.


how does the lower look? does it use a mag block or something?



I am anti-foreign-caliber when it comes to the AR's but I would build a .458 in a AR though.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:15:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
that .458 socom round looks like it will knock you on your ass hard.



Not that bad....hardest loads I've ever fired are a little like 20ga magnums from an O/U.



how does the lower look? does it use a mag block or something?


Standard AR lower, standard UNMODIFIED USGI mags.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:19:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
that .458 socom round looks like it will knock you on your ass hard.



Not that bad....hardest loads I've ever fired are a little like 20ga magnums from an O/U.



how does the lower look? does it use a mag block or something?


Standard AR lower, standard UNMODIFIED USGI mags.




NO SHIT?!?! really?!?!?! standard lower with a standard USGI mags, I could love that round!
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:19:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 7:25:56 PM EDT by mrraley]
I own a .458 SOCOM not made by RRA and the only company that makes ammo ready to shoot is Cor-Bon (that I have found sofar).

The bullets that I like to shoot are the 300gr JHP's, I tried the 400's and didn't like the round nose and their web sight is wrong, the 400's are slower than what thy state.

Pat

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:24:40 PM EDT
how much are the rounds?
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:29:47 PM EDT
Through Cor-Bon the 300's are around $30.50 a box of 20.

I also bought a 50AE at the same time, so I have them both ready to shoot on Eagle Arms Lowers, and boxed up ready to travle too.

If some one wants to help me post some pice of each I would be glad to.

Pat
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:33:24 PM EDT
expensive as hell!
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 7:15:06 AM EDT
Marty originally designed the .458 SOCOM around the 300gr Barnes spitzer, not a 250gr Spitzer.

You will note that the Barnes 300 has the perfect OAL when seated to the base of the case neck. That was not an accident.

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 7:17:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 7:23:26 AM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By TonyRumore:
Marty originally designed the .458 SOCOM around the 300gr Barnes spitzer, not a 250gr Spitzer.

You will note that the Barnes 300 has the perfect OAL when seated to the base of the case neck. That was not an accident.




Thanks for the correction.....

I like your "field grade" better than RRA's offering though:


Link Posted: 9/27/2005 7:44:05 PM EDT
Wait till you see what we are getting ready to beta test .... samples go out tomorrow to NoPlay, BearBait1 and Collins .... Cold will get his later as his need special shipping.

If they work as desired, it opens up all sorts of new avenues ...

Then there is that other project, which I am actually hesitant to pull the trigger on.... 535 gr at 1700 fps .... from a 16" carbine ....
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 9:13:19 PM EDT
BTT
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:00:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mrraley:
I own a .458 SOCOM not made by RRA and the only company that makes ammo ready to shoot is Cor-Bon (that I have found sofar).
Pat




This one? Tromix
Hope the RRA stirs up business for him, too,
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:03:25 PM EDT
I will have one of those uppers some day.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:06:23 PM EDT
Aren't they also offering a .308 Remington short action ultramag?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 5:43:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MartytW:
Wait till you see what we are getting ready to beta test .... samples go out tomorrow to NoPlay, BearBait1 and Collins .... Cold will get his later as his need special shipping.

If they work as desired, it opens up all sorts of new avenues ...

Then there is that other project, which I am actually hesitant to pull the trigger on.... 535 gr at 1700 fps .... from a 16" carbine ....



Marty's hard at work! Expect something really cool folks!

Spooky
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 9:41:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:01:12 PM EDT
458 Socom vs 1/8" Steel Plate









Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:02:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 6:19:44 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]
.458 Socom vs 3/8" Steel Plate











That's gonna leave a mark, and won't buff out!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:03:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 6:25:27 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]
And what all the cops want to know... .458 vs Level IIIA vest.

Even if it doesn't penetrate, I doubt you could survive a hit with .458 Socom.

















Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:32:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 6:40:32 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]
Aren't they also offering a .308 Remington short action ultramag?

Marty is making the .30 HRT (Herrett Rimless Tactical) which will feed through 6.8 mags.

A few notes about actually shooting the .458 Socom:

Helpful hint to you guys buying an upper only... you must use an A2 buttstock. The .458 Socom will break the latch on an adjustable stock.

Accuracy is good, nice tight groups at 50 and 100 yds.

Eotech 552 stood up to the recoil with no problems.

Shooting stuff is fun. (Sorry to steal your tagline, Ol' Painless, I could not resist!)



Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:22:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brouhaha:

Originally Posted By MartytW:
Wait till you see what we are getting ready to beta test .... samples go out tomorrow to NoPlay, BearBait1 and Collins .... Cold will get his later as his need special shipping.

If they work as desired, it opens up all sorts of new avenues ...

Then there is that other project, which I am actually hesitant to pull the trigger on.... 535 gr at 1700 fps .... from a 16" carbine ....



I'll go to the range with you and pull the trigger on that!

Lemme know if you need some help.



B - Aside from another shoulder to bear the brunt of the bruiser, I wanted to know about some gel shots with the new 458 projos. Drop me a line or call the office

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:24:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 8:44:38 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]
Marty, can you please ID those rounds, from L to R, in the pics above?


And can you tell the guy asking about the .308 all about the .30 HRT?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:43:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
Marty, ID those rounds, from L to R, in the pics above.



300 gr Remington JHP (same as CorBon factory load)
300 gr Barnes X Spitzer
400 gr Barnes RN Solid (same as CorBon factory load)
500 gr Hornady RN subsonic
600 gr Barnes Original subsonic (same as CorBon factory load) - painted black to make easier to tell from others
500 gr Speer African Grand Slam - Tungsten Carbide Core
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:02:13 PM EDT
Thanks, I lost the notes I had in a computer crash.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:13:29 PM EDT
Well, I know that a standard stock would work best, but I let a friend with a 458 Socom upper put 10 mags (100 rounds) thru my M16 lower. I have to say, it R E A L L Y kicks much more than the 5.56 or 7.62x39.

I didn't even think about the 6 pos butt stock. Anyway, my cheapo RRA 6 pos lasted without any problems, and it gets really beat with the 7.62x39 diet I flog it with.

I have to say, that the 458 isw a real blast to shoot. Only time I had to let off the trigger to keep the muzzle in a safe direction.

If ammo gets a little cheaper, maybe I'll even buy one.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 1:54:40 PM EDT
those .458 rounds look like fat cuban cigars while the .223s look like a joint. Is a Tungsten Carbide Core round considered AP?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 2:54:12 PM EDT
Can anyone post a pic of a .458 round next to a .223 round for comparison?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 3:39:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 3:46:34 PM EDT
Love to have 1, buuut at 1.50 a shot... that's way to steep.. cost the same as the gun for two days of serious shooting... I hope the ammo goes down in price..
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 3:54:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bobafett126:
Can anyone post a pic of a .458 round next to a .223 round for comparison?



Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:53:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fdawg:
Love to have 1, buuut at 1.50 a shot... that's way to steep.. cost the same as the gun for two days of serious shooting... I hope the ammo goes down in price..



What's the most anyone has actually shot their .458 in a single trip to the range? I've gone through about 50 rounds of 300 grain ammo and my shoulder had it... I think you would almost be on the ground crying if you could shoot $800 worth of .458 ammo. And I LIKE recoil...

Spooky
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 10:04:37 AM EDT
DAMN! That side by side is ridiculous!

Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 10:23:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spooky130:
What's the most anyone has actually shot their .458 in a single trip to the range? I've gone through about 50 rounds of 300 grain ammo and my shoulder had it... I think you would almost be on the ground crying if you could shoot $800 worth of .458 ammo. And I LIKE recoil...
Spooky



That's my limit too.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 10:45:39 AM EDT
Tag for more info.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:23:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2005 6:47:30 PM EDT by MartytW]

Originally Posted By JosephR:
DAMN! That side by side is ridiculous!

Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?



I would suspect that 80% if not more of the folks shooting the 458 are reloaders who "roll their own". Brass can be had from Midway, load data is available and increasing, and a plethora of bullets available for reloading (see the pic below)



Front row laying down 500 gr RN, 300 gr Barnes X, 400 gr Barnes Solid
First row L to R 250 Barnes X FN, 300 FN, Rem 300 JHP, Barnes 300 Original, Hornady 350 RN
Second row L to R SinterFire 300 Frangible, Barnes 300 X FN, Barnes 300 X Spitzer, Speer 400 FN, Barnes 400 RN Solid, 450 RN
Third row L to R Hornady 500 RN, Speer 500 AGS-T, Hornady 500 FMJ-Enc, Bridger 500 FN, Barnes 500 RN Solid, Barnes 500 X Spitzer, Barnes 600 Original
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:29:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
that .458 socom round looks like it will knock you on your ass hard.


how does the lower look? does it use a mag block or something?



I am anti-foreign-caliber when it comes to the AR's but I would build a .458 in a AR though.




not to hard....really not bad, maybe on par with a 20 ga shotgun...maybe. corbon's loads are light too...
no mag block
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:28:00 PM EDT
It feeds 10 rounds single stacked from a standard USGI 30 rnd mag. It feeds 7 rounds single stacked from a USGI 20 rnd mag.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:57:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MartytW:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
DAMN! That side by side is ridiculous!

Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?



I would suspect that 80% if not more of the folks shooting the 458 are reloaders who "roll their own". Brass can be had from Midway, load data is available and increasing, and a plethora of bullets available for reloading (see the pic below)

img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/458SOCOMbulletoptions.jpg



Marty,

Any chance of you telling us what all those bullets are? I think I need to expand from my 300 grain Remington loads...

Spooky
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 5:13:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JosephR:
Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?



Yep:




Link Posted: 10/1/2005 5:24:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoPlay:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?



Yep:

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=26714





Holy Cow!
OverKill?
I got to get one of those baby's
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 5:41:10 PM EDT
Looks like I might have found my next deer rifle.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 6:48:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spooky130:

Originally Posted By MartytW:

Originally Posted By JosephR:
DAMN! That side by side is ridiculous!

Is reloading a viable alternative to purchasing ammo?



I would suspect that 80% if not more of the folks shooting the 458 are reloaders who "roll their own". Brass can be had from Midway, load data is available and increasing, and a plethora of bullets available for reloading (see the pic below)

img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/458SOCOMbulletoptions.jpg



Marty,

Any chance of you telling us what all those bullets are? I think I need to expand from my 300 grain Remington loads...

Spooky



Added list to the picture in my original post
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:11:56 AM EDT
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