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Marty-
You're a sick man... Randall (posting from a friend's account while mine is dead) |
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They look like tiny ICBM's.
I like the 750gr puppies. I bet they hit hard. I'm surprised there is enough propellant to shove it out the end of the barrel. Nice. |
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Looks very mean and tantalizing. Why are you not planning to produce it?
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What is different about the Oly WSSM uppers? I imagine the port is larger. Anything else?
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Sweet Jesus Christ!
You haven't lost your mind at all... it's just thinking up new, devious ideas to bring out. I'm assuming any WSSM caliber would be a candidate for conversion. ANOTHER gun I got save for... I'm never gonna get those other projects done! |
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Marty, you know you are going to have to do a run of these beasts or we are not going to let you rest. Block our e-mails, we will get new ones. So, you might as well offer up a price and be ready to take orders.
Speaking of which, any ETA on the XXL Polo SOCOM and Hadji T shirts? PM me. Never mind. The shirts arrived today. FANTASTIC!!! Now, about this new upper... You know James (at K) is going to wet his pants when he sees this on the AR-15 platform, I know I almost did. Give us a price, I'll find the money. |
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But I like that in a person!! |
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Marty,
I am having a hard time with the 300 grain velocity figures from the 16" barrel. That is faster than my 458 with a 20" barrel. I hope those do pan out. That is just awsome. Your a bad bad boy, and I hope that your wife does not catch wind of this. This has to be another....don't say it....... Group Purchase. Craig |
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Group buy? |
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+1 Take a Beowulf on trade? |
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Damnit Marty what have you done!?!?!?!?! Why must you taunt me
well screw the grendel upper idea. |
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Did I hear someone say Group buy (I was told i had the second longest running AR15.com Group buy, second only to the long awaited SEBR.....)....cuz Im getting bored with college and law school apps....and I love a good gun project! |
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Marty, if you do NOT make this upper available you are going to make the baby Jesus cry. Do you REALLY want that on the books when you meet the man up 'yonder?
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It's not that I don't want to sell these, I just have an issue getting the parts from Oly. We took a 243 WSSM upper, took it apart, reused the barrel to make a 6 x 45 20" with midlength gas system. Then made the new barrel and modified the mag.
If Oly would be willing to sell the parts (or be quicker to send the 243 WSSM uppers, it took FOREVER to get this one) then we might go for it. It requires a custom extension, custom upper, custom carrier and bolt, custom mag .... to the point where we might do our own version if need be. Cost of this upper would be around $900. The real challenge is the feeding of the beast. Dies are $175. Bullets are not cheap either but the real kicker is the brass. Currently brass is $2.75 for every piece and we are down to the last 300 pieces. We are actively discussing new brass supply with two US companies but if those do not pan out we need to get more brass from Germany and it takes FOREVER to get that stuff made. Again, not that we don't want to sell these uppers, but the supply chain issues are a little too large right now ... On the velocity figures, the powder used is Lil Gun which should have used up all its steam in a 24" tube and then some. Joe is getting about 2600 fps from the 24" barrel. So the estimated 2400 is a valid number. Just to be fair, in December I was going to invite the Houston-area ARFCOMMERs to join me at the range to shoot this puppy over the chrony, along with the 7.62 x 25, the 338 Spectre (doubt the papers for the can will have cleared) and that new midbore cartridge we have been working on .... Marty PS The loads shown were at normal pressure, the brass and bolt can take about 10K psi more pressure but not sure I can take it ...Think 56 gr of H110 |
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Come to Alaska, we'll show you a good time No hurricanes, no sunburn (well no sun), no problems with heat (ever shot at -40?), what else could you ask for? |
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I grew up on the 51 latitude. Had my share of cold and no sun. No thanks. Moved south for a reason ... consider rheumatoid arthritis in my hands at my age due to hypothermia from being out in wet gear. Yes, my fault the gear was wet. Yes, should have swapped or gone to field expedient solution to fix ... two weeks after coming back in from out in the field still had no sensation in 5 fingers. Lucky I did not lose them Then again, suffered acute heat stress and hyponatremia following second Houston marathon, caught lots of grief in the ER (you know the legend of Marathon? He died! Take the hint!) Such is life. |
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Marty,
You sir are a sick, twisted individual. This unholy abomination is an affront to all civilized persons everywhere. I like it. Gonna start sellin em? |
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In a whisper almost too low to hear, Marty is shocked at the sudden whisper with no known source from somewhere out on the Texas plains, "If you build it, they will buy."
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Group Buy!
Group Buy! Group Buy! Group Buy! Someone make brass for this so we can do a Group Buy! |
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But Marty is talking about using it in the AR-15 platform, not the AR-10 or bolt gun platform. I think the AR-15 is just a hair short for 750 gr. A-Max and 975 gr. cast loads. |
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You can always use a Bob Sled and single load through the ejection port. Have the shorter ones in the mag and then when needed slip one of the big ones in from the side (I feel like I need a shower after saying that) Working on a source for brass. Going to ask Oly nicely if they will sell us stuff. Tromix will make the uppers if we have too much on our plate .... |
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Any way to get a close up picture with the round loaded in the magazine?
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Nice.
Marty did you see that 338LSM thread at snipershide? I am thinking AR10 upper when the brass starts coming in. |
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Negative. Haven't been on Frank's turf for a while. Can you link me? If this is the brass I think it is, I can give you the full dev. history ... |
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Shooting USA and Jim Scouten did a show recently on Future Weapons and featured the AR platform
He tested (and his team) the 6.8 SPC, the .50 Beowolf, the 6.5 Grendel, the .458 SOCOM, and a .50 1911 handgun Terrific episode and worth seeing. If you cannot see it, read the link above. the .458 vs .223 the .50 Beowolf for starters..... |
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And as my 458 project tops $2k, I see this, and I realize that this addiction will never stop...
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I can't seem to find the 338LSM thread
Can someone post a link to it Chris |
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We asked for it and now we are getting it. Tune in over at the EE in the GB section to get more details-none posted yet. Details of an AR15 approved and VERY LIMITED GB will be posted by this weekend (1-7-06). When I say limited, I mean LIMITED. Snooze and you will lose on this one.
Thanks Marty. You are going to make me a very happy puppy and my wife one pissed off ol' gal. |
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Just hope and pray Mrs T does not find out about this ... I am keeping the number low so I can hide the components in the shop and she won't catch on. If I were to have another 18 wheeler drop parts off, she would figure it out ... BTW, the original prototype upper is now in the hands of Doc-Rock, he made my Xmas and bought one rifle, one extra upper, another upper, a project MGI upper with 3 barrels, additional stuff ... He promised a cool paint job on it.... |
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What can I say.........I like fun toys. They are all for my company to use as a marketing for the refinishing business. Should make for fine table showings at gun shows and pics for the website. At least - that is what I tell the wife. I am just waiting to get all the parts and stuff in and a weekend with no kids - and bam....I am off to the range. The range master will not know what to think when we show up with
2 .458's, 1 .338, 1 .204, 1 .223, 1 LR308/500P, 1 AR15 500P, and a Tromix 50AE. Should make for fun times. |
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Dammit
Something else I must have Going to the safe to see what I can scrounge up Can't wait for details of the GB Inside track anyone??? I can make it worth your while. Anyone like smoked salmon? |
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All info on the group buy is posted in the GB section of the EE now. Let the sign up begin. Now, PLEASE do not sign up unless you intend to go through with it. If you have any idea that you will not be able to finish the deal please do not sign up and leave that upper for someone else. If anyone signs up only to drop out it will add a week or more to the GB and the quicker we can get the funds in, the quicker Marty can get to work.
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Took the prototype to the range today. Damn. It has a kick. But was awesome. Absolute pure power and andrenaline. Crazy recoil and a definite head turner.
500 Phantom AR-15=BMF |
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Come on people, all those in this thread wanting a GB and only two have signed up so far counting myself? WTF?
If we do not get the 10 total this likely is not going to happen. What happened to all those urging Marty to do a GB? Less than two weeks before it closes and if enough are not signed up likely nobody gets any. And good luck getting Marty to listen to us about another GB in the future. |
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