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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:19:48 PM EST
Men are accused of having a fear of commitment but from seeing the guns guys on this site have; I don't think that applies to guns.

Am I in the ball park for the commitment for an AR15

Numbers include taxes/shipping.

1300 Colt 6920
80Bipod
750Scope
270Spotting Scope
400Misc - Carry Case, magazines, sling
200 - ???
3,000Total




Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:23:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 5:37:25 PM EST by crowdlg]
I would not call a stock 6920 a bipod style scoped rifle.
If you are going for 1-2 inches at 100yrd then it will do that no problem.
if you want to shoot over 300 yrds maybe something else.

Not sure If I would spend over 80 bucks on a spotting scope.

the 200??? is 400rds of ammo.

There are some here with over 3k in a rifle without a scope or any extras.

And there are some with 10-15 Ar's

also a full auto AR lower is 11-12k without any other parts.

If this is your first AR I would leave it be without scope and all the extras and just spend the money on ammo and mags and shoot it.
get used to Iron sights and be GOOD with them before adding all the extras. then maybe upgrade.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:27:38 PM EST
To those with 10-15 guns, it's always good to share the love. If you want to send a couple my way, I will permit it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:38:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By RM1971:
To those with 10-15 guns, it's always good to share the love. If you want to send a couple my way, I will permit it.


Nope, that would be socialism!!
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:40:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By jcrowl:

Nope, that would be socialism!!




Says the man who let us down by not making it to 20 this year.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:43:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By jcrowl:
Originally Posted By RM1971:
To those with 10-15 guns, it's always good to share the love. If you want to send a couple my way, I will permit it.


Nope, that would be socialism!!



Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:43:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dexter15:
Men are accused of having a fear of commitment but from seeing the guns guys on this site have; I don't think that applies to guns.

Am I in the ball park for the commitment for an AR15

Numbers include taxes/shipping.

1300 Colt 6920
80Bipod
750Scope
270Spotting Scope
400Misc - Carry Case, magazines, sling
200 - ???
3,000Total






Here's what I would do on a 6920
Rifle: $1300
Set of KAC rails and VFG $200-225
Aimpoint or Eotech sight $300-600 depending on model and condition
BUIS- Matech $50
Sling' Vickers combat applications $45
Surefire light m951, $150
Nicely tricked out rifle for about $2150
Mags are variable, depending on how many rifles and how many you want on hand.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:44:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By crowdlg:
Originally Posted By jcrowl:

Nope, that would be socialism!!




Says the man who let us down by not making it to 20 this year.


The year ain't over yet!
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:44:49 PM EST
Ditch the bipod, get a red dot, skip the spotting scope.

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:45:54 PM EST
I'd forget about a spotting scope and buy a vert p grip and flashlight
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:50:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 5:55:51 PM EST by survivorman]
look around $1300 on a colt 6920 is ok but you can do better.....I saw Botach has a deal $1110 shipped to your FFL



did a quick search and found this.

http://sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semi4sale.cgi?read=220705
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:51:39 PM EST
You need to establish a clearly defined needs statement here. What you have suggested doing is akin to putting low profile tires and a 2" drop on a Jeep Wrangler.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:54:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dexter15:
Men are accused of having a fear of commitment but from seeing the guns guys on this site have; I don't think that applies to guns.

Am I in the ball park for the commitment for an AR15

Numbers include taxes/shipping.

1300 Colt 6920
80Bipod
750Scope
270Spotting Scope
400Misc - Carry Case, magazines, sling
200 - ???
5,000.00 AMMO
8,000Total








Fixed it for you.


Link Posted: 9/18/2009 5:56:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 6:00:14 PM EST by jerz_subbie]
Originally Posted By Dexter15:
Men are accused of having a fear of commitment but from seeing the guns guys on this site have; I don't think that applies to guns.

Am I in the ball park for the commitment for an AR15

Numbers include taxes/shipping.

1300 Colt 6920 Price sounds about right
80 Bipod As already stated, a 6920 isn't really a bipod type weapon
750 Scope How about T-1 on LT mount $625 or scour the EE for an ACOG TA31
270Spotting Scope Burris XTR 25-75x $205 This should give you more than enough magnification for most any application in a small package; I got a Landmark compact 12-24x model for well under $100.
400Misc - Carry Case, magazines, sling Case $100, 10 Pmags $150, sling $50, $100 left over for quality hearing pro & shooting glasses or more ammo
200 - add this to your left over money from no bipod & optics savings and buy a case of Prvi ammo
3,000Total



Not a bad list!

Personally, I'd skip the spotting scope and throw a set of DD Omega rails on there!
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:07:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:

You need to establish a clearly defined needs statement here. What you have suggested doing is akin to putting low profile tires and a 2" drop on a Jeep Wrangler.




Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:22:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
You need to establish a clearly defined needs statement here. What you have suggested doing is akin to putting low profile tires and a 2" drop on a Jeep Wrangler.


Which plays very well in some of our urban areas.

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 7:58:52 PM EST
IMO, I would ditch the 6920 ($1300) and the KAC rail ($200-225) and get the 6940. JMO
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 8:53:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 8:54:47 PM EST by TehLlama42]
Two suggestions stand out as great ones:
The T-1 for the optic - if you're after a simple rifle with an optic, it's the best value out there.
Sling and Magazines. Don't be afraid to spend $60 on a top end sling system, and over $100 for a usable starter set of magazines.

A 6290 with a KAC or TROY MRF-DI rail will work great. If you care about floating the barrel, then THE choice is the DD Omega - great rail.
A flashlight is up next on that list - the Surefire with the mount that fits your needs will take some effort to identify, but is worth the time and money spent.
Minor furniture changes are worth considering - ACS Stock, MOE Grip and Trigger Guard, and a BAD if you're looking to add that ability.
MBUS and TROY SPLP are the class of the field for rear sights.


I was able to build out my wife's for $2500 using similar parts ($200 less on the stock weapon), including a soft case and improved trigger. $3000 is just fine for a budget, and you'll end up with a great carbine to show for it - take the time to decide completely on the setup, and once you have, don't look back.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 9:38:55 PM EST
I wish I stayed under your budget. I have over $3k in ammo in the safe and another $900 upper on the way
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 10:49:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2009 10:49:28 PM EST by Cold]
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 12:00:24 AM EST
OP, Start with the basics. Pick up the rifle of your choice (but with your financial commitment start with a tier one manufacturer. COLT, Noveske, Sabre Defence, LMT to name a few). Build the rifle light, again a basic rifle with no scope. become proficient with your irons and grow from there. Keep in mind optics, rails, verticle fore grips and all the other toys we throw on our rifles add weight and have specific purposes. You need to decide what your rifle is for, SHTF, target shooting? There is always time to build off of the basic gun. Don't skimp on optics when you finally get to the point of a decision. There are no "cheap" quality optics out there.

Good Luck
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:47:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 4:50:03 AM EST by Dexter15]
Originally Posted By 87GN:
You need to establish a clearly defined needs statement here. What you have suggested doing is akin to putting low profile tires and a 2" drop on a Jeep Wrangler.




Thanks for all the feedback. I am doing my research before I buy and this site has been a great help.
As to use - you are correct. I'm looking closer at the 6940 now.
I like to find one gun and learn to use it well.

My handgun is a Glock 26 - why?
1. Reliable
2. Size and weight - I will carry it
3. Capacity
(I also have a Kimber Compact CDP II - because I wanted a 45 - and Walther P22)

So for an AR-15 my max usage would be 150 - 200yds but I would like to play with it out to further distances.
SHTF - possibly but that is secondary.

I'm looking closer at the 6940 now. There is a bewildering number of mfgs so I thought I would stick with what is generally accepted as the best mfg. and package.

Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Originally Posted By Dexter15:
Men are accused of having a fear of commitment but from seeing the guns guys on this site have; I don't think that applies to guns.

Am I in the ball park for the commitment for an AR15

Numbers include taxes/shipping.

1300 Colt 6920 Price sounds about right
80 Bipod As already stated, a 6920 isn't really a bipod type weapon
750 Scope How about T-1 on LT mount $625 or scour the EE for an ACOG TA31
270Spotting Scope Burris XTR 25-75x $205 This should give you more than enough magnification for most any application in a small package; I got a Landmark compact 12-24x model for well under $100.
400Misc - Carry Case, magazines, sling Case $100, 10 Pmags $150, sling $50, $100 left over for quality hearing pro & shooting glasses or more ammo
200 - add this to your left over money from no bipod & optics savings and buy a case of Prvi ammo
3,000Total



Personally, I'd skip the spotting scope and throw a set of DD Omega rails on there!


I've updated the estimate.

Prices Include tax/shipping
1325 Colt 6940
90 Grippod
700 Scope - Trijicon AccuPoint 1.25-4x24
270 Spotting Scope - Burris xtr 25-75x - Includes Stand?
100 Case
150 10 Pmags
50 Sling
115 Contingency

2800Total

-350Less Expensive Scope ???
-100Less Expensive Spotting Scope ???

2350Total


Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:09:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:11:23 AM EST by jerz_subbie]
Not a bad revised list. Personally I'm not a fan of the 6940 but if you plan to use optics and get rails then it's a good choice. I see you said your max range would be 150-200yds or maybe more but what type of shooting do you plan on doing? I have a spotting scope but rarely use it because I can simply use binoc's to see 50-100yds where I typically shoot.

Don't try to go cheap on your scope, saving $350 will be very tough while staying with higher quality. Don't forget about your mount. LaRue's Trijicon combos or if you don't want to spend over $800 for the trijicon check out the XTR14 combo for just a little less. I have the XTR14 and like it a lot! Mark Larue even wrote a nice review on one he used on a hunt.

It looks like you've forgot about ammo in an effort to cut costs, what are you going to feed this thing with?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:24:10 AM EST
putting aside funds for ammo is very easy to forget.i forget everytime. my last rifle cost me $3200 and i only had about 700 rounds sitting around for 2 ar15s and was too scared to shoot for fear of running out of ammo. i've since bought a couple thousand rounds and plan to buy more before i put more money into my collection. what good are the guns without the ammo? get the Colt, sling, ammo, gun bag and 10 or so mags and go shoot. figure out what mods you really want as time goes on. that way you will spend cash a little at a time and you'll have plenty of ammo to shoot.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:25:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:35:10 AM EST by crowdlg]
If you are only going to go with a scope that is up to 4 power I would look for a lightly used or new ACOG.

I like them better than the Accupoint, Our troops use them. I know it's a fixed power but you get used to it up to closer ranges.
there is the Bindon Aiming concept that they use to have both eyes open. look into this.

Actually an Aimpoint is capable of good accuracy out to the stated 200yrds if you ge the 2 moa model.

Still would not spend a ton on a spotting scope.

The P-mags are the right choice. For Sling get the padded Vickers / Larue / Vtac.

Best advice I can give is take your time and reserch you buys.
Spend the money on quality gear once and not have to buy it again later.
If you get a regular scope the Larue mounts are the way to go. Don't forget them in your buget.

AMMO AMMO AMMO is going to cost more than your complete rifle in the long run.
That $1300.00 rifle will use at least $10k in ammo in it's life.

10 grand in ammo is 25k rounds give or take if you buy Wolf or 77 gn Black Hills.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:29:23 AM EST
$3000.00 ?....slacker.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:00:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 6:01:47 AM EST by 45FMJoe]
Originally Posted By WorstCaseScenario:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
You need to establish a clearly defined needs statement here. What you have suggested doing is akin to putting low profile tires and a 2" drop on a Jeep Wrangler.


Which plays very well in some of our urban areas.



Anyone who does that should be shot.



Anyway, what everyone has said is true. Don't get a bipod and a big ass scope for a fighting carbine. Outfit it like a fighting carbine.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:37:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dexter15:

I've updated the estimate.

Prices Include tax/shipping
1325 Colt 6940
90 Grippod
700 Scope - Trijicon AccuPoint 1.25-4x24
270 Spotting Scope - Burris xtr 25-75x - Includes Stand?
100 Case
150 10 Pmags
50 Sling
115 Contingency

2800Total

-350Less Expensive Scope ???
-100Less Expensive Spotting Scope ???

2350Total




You're obviously getting lots of differing opinions, so I'll throw another one out:

The 6940 includes integral fore-end rails that add weight and alter balance. UNLESS you're planning on hanging a lot of aftermarket stuff on your rifle, you don't need the rails. In fact, even if you want an item or two (like a vertical grip or a light), you can usually handle it with single rail "strips" that mount in the vent holes of the standard handguard. All I'm saying is think about whether you'll actually USE the rail before paying for it. Some of us liked 'em at first but have cooled off on the concept.

Don't spend a lot of money on a spotting scope. I saw a 50x at Cabela's the other day for like $69. After all, it's mainly to see where your shots are going. I doubt you're going to be using it for special ops sniper missions to target bad guys. Many of us don't even own a spotting scope.

Unlike many of these guys, I don't recommend military-grade, high-end optics. For $200 you can get a Millett DMS-1, which is a 1-4x variable with a lighted reticle and a 1 MOA center dot. I have two of them and couldn't be happier. Face it - you're not going to Afghanistan and you're not single-handedly holding off the Chinese hordes, so you don't REALLY need something designed to still be operational after the Earth has cooled off and we're all history. It's overkill. You'll be able to drive tacks at 200 yards with a 4-power with a 1 MOA dot, and the Millett is durable and reliable (and if your battery dies, the reticle doesn't go away anyway, so it's still perfectly usable. LINK to DMS-1

(This vendor, btw, also sells a nice cantilever mount called the SSALT that works beautifully with the DMS-1, and they sell it as a bundle with the scope.)

Last but not least, I'm also not a fan of weapon lights. The likelihood of actually needing one is low and they add weight and expense. (Watch me get flamed for that! )

So ... my list would include:

$1150 - Colt 6920
90 - Gripod (if you must - I don't like 'em myself)
100 - Case
150 - 10 Pmags
50 - Sling
500 - Ammo (to get started)

$1950 - Total
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:34:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By MikefromTX:
You're obviously getting lots of differing opinions, so I'll throw another one out:

The 6940 includes integral fore-end rails that add weight and alter balance. UNLESS you're planning on hanging a lot of aftermarket stuff on your rifle, you don't need the rails. In fact, even if you want an item or two (like a vertical grip or a light), you can usually handle it with single rail "strips" that mount in the vent holes of the standard handguard. All I'm saying is think about whether you'll actually USE the rail before paying for it. Some of us liked 'em at first but have cooled off on the concept.

Don't spend a lot of money on a spotting scope. I saw a 50x at Cabela's the other day for like $69. After all, it's mainly to see where your shots are going. I doubt you're going to be using it for special ops sniper missions to target bad guys. Many of us don't even own a spotting scope.

Unlike many of these guys, I don't recommend military-grade, high-end optics. For $200 you can get a Millett DMS-1, which is a 1-4x variable with a lighted reticle and a 1 MOA center dot. I have two of them and couldn't be happier. Face it - you're not going to Afghanistan and you're not single-handedly holding off the Chinese hordes, so you don't REALLY need something designed to still be operational after the Earth has cooled off and we're all history. It's overkill. You'll be able to drive tacks at 200 yards with a 4-power with a 1 MOA dot, and the Millett is durable and reliable (and if your battery dies, the reticle doesn't go away anyway, so it's still perfectly usable. LINK to DMS-1

(This vendor, btw, also sells a nice cantilever mount called the SSALT that works beautifully with the DMS-1, and they sell it as a bundle with the scope.)

Last but not least, I'm also not a fan of weapon lights. The likelihood of actually needing one is low and they add weight and expense. (Watch me get flamed for that! )

So ... my list would include:

$1150 - Colt 6920
90 - Gripod (if you must - I don't like 'em myself)
100 - Case
150 - 10 Pmags
50 - Sling
500 - Ammo (to get started)

$1950 - Total


Thank you so much for your post. You are on my wavelength as to how to spec out the rifle. Reading the posts I didn't see much in the price range you mentioned. Most were the millspec scopes. I was second guessing if I wanted to spend up $2,500. Your $1450 (excluding ammo) plus a $200 scope and maybe a $75 spotting scope is more reasonable to me. I still may waite awhile before I make the purchase - prices coming down and it is getting cold here in the south.
Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:42:56 AM EST
Looking for a scope, you might consider the new Leupold Mark AR line. Leupold quality and reasonably priced around $300

http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/104/145
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:56:20 AM EST
I hava DMS-1.
It is ok, not great but just ok.
The black dot in circle is good but the black 1moa dot is VERY hard to see on a target unless it is lit.
I have the fungus problem in mine and have not bothered to send it in for repair. I can only see it in the dark when lit.
in sunlight it is not visable. they are made in China and run 200-230 ish.

I like the Leupold that Jcrowl has the link to. the 1.5x4 model is the same style as the DMS but only has a 1in tube not 30mm.

The DMS is ok but would not buy another having had one.

I have ACOG's and would buy one for every rifle that did not have an Aimpoint on it if funds would allow.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:14:05 AM EST
may i ask why you are setting the rifle up as a sniper rifle? Or is it a spotters rifle?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:38:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By klassik:
may i ask why you are setting the rifle up as a sniper rifle? Or is it a spotters rifle?


I am thinking of it as a spotter's rifle. Or a Type II as in this article.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/fighting-carbine-optics-for-the-ar-15/?p=3

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:25:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 9:29:42 AM EST by Mtn395]
My next project is a 16" middy upper,

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00
YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
RRA low profile gas block...$35.00
YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67

I would have $1404.33 left to spend on ammo and another project, assuming I had $3000 to spend.

btw these items aren't wrighten in stone, I'll probably change a lot of them before I actually build the upper.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:28:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
My next project is a 16" middy upper,

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00
YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
RRA low profile gas block...$35.00
YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67

I would have $1404.33 left to spend on ammo and another project, assuming I had $3000 to spend.


For a 16" middy I'd go with the BCM for sure.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:31:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 9:33:43 AM EST by Mtn395]
Originally Posted By jcrowl:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
My next project is a 16" middy upper,

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00
YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
RRA low profile gas block...$35.00
YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67

I would have $1404.33 left to spend on ammo and another project, assuming I had $3000 to spend.


For a 16" middy I'd go with the BCM for sure.


Okay thanks for the advice
But why BCM and not the other middy barrels?



Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:40:34 AM EST
BCM quality is much better than RRA.

J&T probably does not have M4 ramps. Even if it did the quality has always been of question.
RRA tends not to use M4 ramp or are hand cut. Barrel steel is not as good, usually 1/9 instead of 1/7 twist.
RRA most times does not use F height front site.

For the money the BCM is about the best out there and you won't have to put it together.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:45:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 9:48:16 AM EST by crowdlg]
my 3k

Noveske Lowpro N4 in stock for 1995.00
Larue sling 60.00
Aimpoint 2moa with Larue mount 550.00
10 P-Mags 145.00
3 tango down rail panels 35.00
Ammo

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:47:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 10:01:44 AM EST by Mtn395]
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00
YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1752.69
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:55:25 AM EST
Just my opinions for the Colt 6920:

Aimpoint T1 Micro
BUIS - Troy folding or Larue Fixed
PMags
Sling of your Choice. (I prefer a single point with an ASAP plate)
SOPMOD Stock
Tango down battle grip or Magpul MIAD/MOE
FSB flashlight mount and quality flashlight

Keep it light and keep it simple
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 9:59:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By crowdlg:
BCM quality is much better than RRA.

J&T probably does not have M4 ramps. Even if it did the quality has always been of question.
RRA tends not to use M4 ramp or are hand cut. Barrel steel is not as good, usually 1/9 instead of 1/7 twist.
RRA most times does not use F height front site.

For the money the BCM is about the best out there and you won't have to put it together.



+1 - I have a BCM middy and agree 100%.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:10:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00
YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64


Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:11:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 10:15:06 AM EST by Mtn395]
Sorry double post
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:23:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00

YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64




I would suggest dropping the items I highlighted in Blue. The BCM upper will have a fixed FSB on it already. If the only reason you want a rail is to mount a flashlight you are adding weight and cost for no real reason. There are other flashlight mounting options that can be done with plastic hand guards.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:37:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00

YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64




I would suggest dropping the items I highlighted in Blue. The BCM upper will have a fixed FSB on it already. If the only reason you want a rail is to mount a flashlight you are adding weight and cost for no real reason. There are other flashlight mounting options that can be done with plastic hand guards.


I want a rail but I can use a midlength rail, and I'm open to ideas
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:40:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00

YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64




I would suggest dropping the items I highlighted in Blue. The BCM upper will have a fixed FSB on it already. If the only reason you want a rail is to mount a flashlight you are adding weight and cost for no real reason. There are other flashlight mounting options that can be done with plastic hand guards.


I want a rail but I can use a midlength rail, and I'm open to ideas



What is the intended use for the rail?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:42:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 10:42:51 AM EST by Mtn395]
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00

YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64




I would suggest dropping the items I highlighted in Blue. The BCM upper will have a fixed FSB on it already. If the only reason you want a rail is to mount a flashlight you are adding weight and cost for no real reason. There are other flashlight mounting options that can be done with plastic hand guards.


I want a rail but I can use a midlength rail, and I'm open to ideas



What is the intended use for the rail?


a light, vfg, and maybe a laser, that and I just like the way it looks.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:53:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Originally Posted By Mtn395:
Alright then I'll have to change things around.

J&T Dist. complete flat-top upper...$114.99
Complete BCG...$124.99
RRA 16" mid-length CL barrel...$235.00
RRA mid-length gas tube...$13.00

BCM 16" Mid Length Barreled upper...$619.00
BCM Bolt Carrier Group...$159.95

YHM rifle length Diamond forearm...$176.00
YHM forearm end cap...$15.50
YHM low profile gas block...$64.00

YHM Phantom FH...$24.25
Troy front folding M4 tritium battle sight...$165.00
Troy rear folding tritium battle sight...$185.00
VTAC light mount...$24.95
Surefire G2 LED...$69.00
EO Tech 512...$409.99
total before shipping...$1592.67 $1912.64




I would suggest dropping the items I highlighted in Blue. The BCM upper will have a fixed FSB on it already. If the only reason you want a rail is to mount a flashlight you are adding weight and cost for no real reason. There are other flashlight mounting options that can be done with plastic hand guards.


I want a rail but I can use a midlength rail, and I'm open to ideas



What is the intended use for the rail?


a light, vfg, and maybe a laser, that and I just like the way it looks.





http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Upper-Receiver-Groups-s/1.htm

Check that page. Bravo has middy upper groups that already have Daniel Defense or Larue Tactical freefloat rails installed from the start.

I know a lot of people buy things based on the way they look and it's thier money and thier right to, obviously. I went down that road too and I think most people have. I was just trying to point out that having a heavy gun loaded up with stuff that is not needed gets old after a while. But you will have to travel down that road yourself to see what works for you and what doesn't.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 11:11:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 11:11:23 AM EST by jcrowl]
Actually the standard BCM middy upper is $475. It's the cold hammer forged version that's $619
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 11:12:09 AM EST
Or maybe you should buy a rifle with a few thousand rounds and call it a day.

Then take a few classes.

Then, after taking a class or two and you say to yourself "Wow, having X on my rifle would make Y drill so much easier...." you go out and buy X.

Spend under $1k on your rifle, spend $2k and change on ammo and classes and you will be very, very happy.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 11:26:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By crowdlg:
I would not call a stock 6920 a bipod style scoped rifle.
If you are going for 1-2 inches at 100yrd then it will do that no problem.
if you want to shoot over 300 yrds maybe something else.

Not sure If I would spend over 800 bucks on a spotting scope.

the 200??? is 400rds of ammo.

There are some here with over 3k in a rifle without a scope or any extras.

And there are some with 10-15 Ar's

also a full auto AR lower is 11-12k without any other parts.

If this is your first AR I would leave it be without scope and all the extras and just spend the money on ammo and mags and shoot it.
get used to Iron sights and be GOOD with them before adding all the extras. then maybe upgrade.

fixt it for ya!
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