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Posted: 12/31/2002 1:04:23 PM EDT
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The short tactical stocks I've used all seemed REALLY short and awkward ... cramped even. They appear to be designed for use by those who are wearing all sorts of mall ninja tac stuff.
To me, the shorty stocks are way too short, the A2 is a bit too long, but the ARFX skeleton stock was just right... [;)] Check out some stock options here: [url]groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/stocks.msnw[/url] |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 2:06:28 PM EDT
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Some say the "stubby" or entry stock + a 1"
spacer is actually useful when wearing heavy or winter clothing. [img]http://compjrk.home.mindspring.com/100%252D0010%255FIMG.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 4:16:48 PM EDT
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Thank you Darkstar and AKRule ,darkstar how tall are you and what is your reach ? I am 5'7" and have a short stocky upper body.
I certainly found the link along with the pictures very helpful and admit I love the look of the skeleton stock but more and more belive I would be Xtremely comfortable with a shorter stock. Let's say for instance I was interested in engaging in "reactionary targets" type competition stuff ...well a feature that allows me to shoulder the weapon (perhaps even support it with my chest) quickly and without straining with my short arms, could work in my favor ... In worst case I will purchase and outfit for $50 and if dissapointed try a different option. I belive strongly that different people will find different things comfortable and trial and error is inevedible. More input is highly welcome!!! |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 7:44:49 PM EDT
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Rules, I'm 6' tall, and my knuckles nearly drag on the ground... well, almost. My problem with the shorty stocks was my arms were all folded up to properly fire the weapon. You may find the shorty stock or the shorty stock with the spacer AKs mentioned may be just the ticket. Give the stock a try, if you don't like the fit you can post it in the EE forum and try something a bit longer like an A1 stock or the ARFX.
Happy New Year... |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 8:52:21 PM EDT
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If you are looking to do high speed/tactical type stuff, the shorter stock/length of pull is more desirable. It will allow you to fire with your elbows more tucked into your body thus stabilizing the rifle in a straight on combat stance. It will also allow faster cheek weld/eye alignment to the sights. I am 6' and prefer a stock that is 7" to 7 1/2" in overall length for this purpose. The stubby is about 7 1/4" which is just about right. The one inch spacer will help if you find the original length too short for you.
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Posted: 12/31/2002 10:02:54 PM EDT
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And there we have it !!!I am ordering one on Thursday so consequently I need a special tool to take the old stock off -right? Or ...should I have a professional install it?
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Posted: 12/31/2002 10:30:54 PM EDT
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If you have a CAR style stock, you need a carbine tool to remove it. I have one that conveniently has a bushing tool on one end for my 1911.
If you have an A2, then you need a vice and a large screwdriver to remove the rear screw. That screw is a bitch and won't come off willingly, so you have to bear down on it. |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 10:33:13 PM EDT
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Also, while the aimpoint is a good CQB sight, the EOTech is absolutely the fastest sight for CQB available. It's circle and crosshair reticle is much easier to pick up under stress than just the single dot.
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Posted: 12/31/2002 10:46:48 PM EDT
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Thank you Knightone I have an A2 style stock and I actually read a thread on the subject earlier today ...the reason the screw in the rear is stubborn is called Loctite screw sealing solution ...supposedly I need an electric drill to remove -I will consult Bushmaster
and just when I thought I had made up my mind on the Aimpoint I see that EOTech mentioned again..if it is within similar pricerange I will research it and consider... And by the way Darkstar -from where or whom is that quote and the end of your posts? If it is an author I would like to read where that passage was taken from... So off I go lookin' for posts on EOTech sights ...I suspect they are ample in supply. Thanks again |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 10:48:18 PM EDT
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I AGREE 100% WITH KNIGHTONE ON THE EOTECH !!
Rambosky |
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Posted: 12/31/2002 11:29:01 PM EDT
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Someone told me that a good way to loosen loctite is to trasfer heat onto the crew. I was told to put a torch to a screwdriver while working the screw when the buttstock is locked in a vise. I haven't tried it, but it's just a suggestion. Undertake this method at your own risk and with help as the process sounds a bit precarious.
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Posted: 1/1/2003 7:25:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: And by the way Darkstar -from where or whom is that quote and the end of your posts? If it is an author I would like to read where that passage was taken from... If I could post the full quote, I would... it's a bit long. The Quote is from 'Fight Club' by Chuck Palahniuk... The full quote is: Man, I see in Fight Club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. Goddammit, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, and slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes; working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man; no purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars -- but we won't and we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. |
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Posted: 1/1/2003 9:42:47 AM EDT
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Hmm...interesting...I actually saw that movie but never had any lasting impression from it.
Until now I guess...just liked the truth those words carried. But heck - that's why there are sites like this TO LEARN and STIMULATE our senses so as to NOT get depressed and feel a lack of purpose. [:D] |
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Posted: 1/1/2003 12:15:03 PM EDT
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A shorter length stock allows one to be able to get their shooting arm elbow tucked down and inside the body line. This assists in stability, and makes life easier if one needs to shoot one handed only. The tucked down elbow also keeps the elbow protected if you are going through door ways so you don't show your elbow first to whoever may be on the other side, as well as keeps you from smacking your elbow going through the doorway.
To obtain a tucked elbow one needs to turn the body more forward and not bladed. Our training philosophy is turn the torso as much forward as possible. This forward position is natural for movement, as we walk around all day with the torso facing forward and not bladed. Also if you are in a bladed position, take a step forward and you will find you are not in a very balanced position for a stable shooting foundation. Short stocks do assist those who wear body to obtain a proper cheek weld by getting the head forward so your nose can touch the charging handle. Small stature people also benefit from a shorter length stock as well. One other option is our Sully Stock that we offer. This stock has just become recently available after its two year in the making. Our stock is approximatley 8-1/8" in length. This length was derived from the first lockout position on a collapsable stock of which is what we found shooters chose most of the time. This length also allows one to use the 1" spacer that DPMS sells, to still give you one choice of size length under the Military A1 stock. You will also see that on the Sully Stock we did some under cutting. This undercutting was done for th purpose of makeing it easier for the user to wrap their hand around it for carrying and field combative techniques. This undercutt also makes it a lot more comfortable for a field type cradle carry. Our stock is also solid urethane all the way through, of which we found offered a better feel of balance, as well as makes it a lot more sturdy. It uses a short CAR buffer and spring, so you can only use it on 16" of shorter barrels. A photo of the Sully Stock next to the A1 and A2 for comparison is available for viewing on our website if you just click on the photo of the OD colored M4. Stay Safe, Sully Chief Instructor www.defensive-edge.net www.dpmsinc.com |
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