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Posted: 7/17/2008 7:41:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/17/2008 7:45:07 PM EDT by CSGunWorkscom]
Link Posted: 7/17/2008 7:43:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/17/2008 8:03:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/18/2008 8:42:30 AM EDT by SC-Texas]
What do I think?

1. Thank god it doesn't have a trigger.
2. The focus of the surefire is way off and results in an oblong pattern.


The price differential may well be worth it.

CS customer service is second to none.
Link Posted: 7/17/2008 9:19:55 PM EDT
Where are these made?
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 12:36:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dace:
Where are these made?


I'll give you a hint; Starts with an "H" and ends with a "G"...
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 2:53:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
2. The focus of way off and results in an oblong pattern.


The oblong patterns are the pics of the Surefire....
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 7:54:10 AM EDT
Yes, assuming the camera settings were the same for both sets of pics (and the captioning is correct), the Rico seems to have superior beam shape, hotspot and spill. I've never seen a Surefire with a wacky beam like that, however.
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 8:44:41 AM EDT
Most of the Surefire MN 9 volt bulbs have an oblong shape to them. Check an M3 out, same head and bulb.

Mark
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 10:34:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalConcepts:
Most of the Surefire MN 9 volt bulbs have an oblong shape to them. Check an M3 out, same head and bulb.

Mark

The precision of SureFire's bulb and reflector combination allow it to capture and direct light into the central beam that would otherwise be wasted as is the case in most other flashlights. The beam shape is a reflection (sic) of the filament shape which is not a point-source 'dot'.
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 11:53:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/18/2008 12:12:54 PM EDT
Bulb type? Compatible with SF bulbs? LED version available / in the works?
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 10:42:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2008 9:59:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2008 10:34:44 AM EDT by CSGunWorkscom]
Link Posted: 8/28/2008 10:06:12 AM EDT
Do you have these for sale in the EE?
Link Posted: 8/28/2008 10:09:59 AM EDT
Just so I'm understanding correct - the MN10 and MN11 Lamp Assemblies in the "M3" bezel used by the M3 and M900A and M500A and M96 WeaponLights will product oblong or oval beams - that is how they have been designed.
The incandescent bulb filaments are not point-source 'dots' - they are looped (MN10) or straight (MN11) coils. SureFire's carefully designed reflector gathers light from the ends of the filament that other bulb/reflector combinations miss, and focus it into the central portion of the beam resulting in a non-round main beam.

Some people prefer to orientate the oval beam horizontally to get a better spread whilst others prefer to orientate the beam vertically for use in more narrow corridor enclosed environment. Many people say they don't notice nor care how it is orientated.

The beam profile including the oval/oblong main beam is a characteristic of the Millennium Series CombatLight and WeaponLight and is nothing new.
Link Posted: 8/28/2008 10:41:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2008 7:25:13 PM EDT
Is it possible to purchase various dust covers or IR filter lens cap covers like it is for the Surefire with the Rico?

Link Posted: 9/2/2008 10:16:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2008 8:39:20 PM EDT
sorry,
ill stick with surefire.

Link Posted: 9/3/2008 11:21:12 AM EDT
I keep my surefire gear.
Link Posted: 9/3/2008 12:22:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2008 11:14:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PoopyPants603:
I keep my surefire gear.


SF has always put out quality stuff, but the new gens. of LED lights are making it really tough to justify the cost of SF.
Link Posted: 9/6/2008 1:14:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2008 1:16:24 PM EDT by kenjgood]
Personally,

I detest knock-off artists particularly from Asia. They come to tradeshows with their digital cameras and comb through the manufacturer's catalog looking for their next "project".

I have personally thrown them out of booths I have worked in. They are people that cannot think for themselves and choose to sit in the draft and capitalize off of other people's hard work, experience and investment.

There are natural/logical improvement pathways, but this particular example encapsulates all that is ethically out of balance with their process.

I am sure X amount of folks could care less about where and when this type of light appeared on the market, but I for one know the story of development and what it actually takes to move the proverbial ball forward.

If I were to put a vertical foregrip light like this on my rifle it would be a Surefire. Believe me, I have had my issues with Surefire, but this is beyond Surefire.

It's about supporting the leaders not the intellectual thieves.

An opinion.



Link Posted: 9/6/2008 8:48:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CSGunWorkscom:

Not very one can afford Surefire or at lest not afford it on all there setups



so the answer is a clone of a light they really want? cut down on your "set ups"
and by real gear that was designed to be used in the real world.
if i need surefire,and cant afford it,ill save till i can.
Link Posted: 9/9/2008 1:48:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2008 10:03:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2008 4:20:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR-Joe:

SF has always put out quality stuff, but the new gens. of LED lights are making it really tough to justify the cost of SF.


Exactly. I like surefire stuff but for the price of the SF grip light you can buy 2 maybe 3 of these and it looks like the light itself is much better.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 11:29:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2008 5:31:45 PM EDT by CSGunWorkscom]
Link Posted: 12/9/2008 5:31:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/4/2009 1:01:03 PM EDT
any update on the price and availability on the LED version?
Link Posted: 3/4/2009 1:19:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 11:08:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2009 11:09:02 AM EDT by CSGunWorkscom]
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 8:08:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2009 8:09:16 PM EDT by Stormlake]
I have a Rico Alpha 9. Sadly, it doesn't fit snugly on my Larue Tactical handguard.It wobbles from side to side no matter how I try to tighten it.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 12:06:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:43:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CSGunWorkscom:
This is a first for me. We can replace the mounting hardware.

Mike @ CSGW
www.csgunworks.com
mike@csgunworks.com

Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks
FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on AR15.com
FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on Snipersparadise
FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on the HIDE


Thanks for the offer Mike but my unit was not purchased from CSGUNWORKS so I guess I'm stuck with it.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 9:17:07 PM EDT
I've owned half a dozen Surefire lights and I've never had one or seen one with an oblong beam like in your photos. Is that common for that model? If I got one with a beam like that I'd call Surefire and ask for it to be fixed/replaced.
Link Posted: 6/16/2009 8:53:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
I've owned half a dozen Surefire lights and I've never had one or seen one with an oblong beam like in your photos. Is that common for that model? If I got one with a beam like that I'd call Surefire and ask for it to be fixed/replaced.

My M500 forends don't do that either, and I believe the M500 uses the same bezel and lamp assembly.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:59:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:00:36 PM EDT
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