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Posted: 7/30/2006 1:24:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2006 9:29:46 PM EDT by FITTER]
OK, let's try this again. I have taken the initiative to re-post many of the retro images that I had placed on the original Real Deal thread. Those who contributed to the first thread should feel free to re-post any pics they found that they felt were of interest to those of us who inhabit this dark little corner of the jungle. It may take a while to get it back to eight pages like it was (!), but this is a start.






















Notice that the handguards are mounted sideways in this photo so the handgrip will be on the side. Also, the taped handgrip again. (I'm sure this shot will make someone's day)

All photos are from http://www.lcompanyranger.com/
I placed them on my own photo server so as not to drain the bandwidth of the parent site.
Link Posted: 7/30/2006 1:25:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2006 12:59:52 AM EDT by FITTER]





















SGT. John Files pointing at a close one. Picture shows foregrip to good advantage.

All photos are from http://www.lcompanyranger.com/
Link Posted: 7/30/2006 1:25:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2006 1:03:15 AM EDT by FITTER]










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Seems to have green camouflage paint on stock and handguards.





Again, all photos in this post are from http://www.lcompanyranger.com/
Link Posted: 7/30/2006 1:28:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2006 8:18:12 PM EDT by FITTER]








Link Posted: 7/30/2006 1:32:57 PM EDT
+1

great pics
Link Posted: 7/30/2006 2:13:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2006 2:14:03 PM EDT by dump1567]
NAM book.


Ft. McClellan, AL Basic Training Late 80's.






Link Posted: 7/30/2006 3:12:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2006 11:35:54 AM EDT by FITTER]
Here is that CAR-15 family photo that I had posted previously:


Not a great photo, but an early AR-15 with what appears to be the brown pistol grip and fiberglass epoxy resin buttstock:


Notice the charging handle inside the "carry handle" and the sling swivel on the pistol grip. Also note that the AR-10-type handguards do not use a slip ring as we know it.

This weapon is very likely ser.#000006
Link Posted: 7/30/2006 3:15:33 PM EDT
XM16E1 from a gunbroker auction an ad a couple months ago:



Link Posted: 7/30/2006 3:39:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2006 12:31:01 PM EDT by FITTER]
More images from http://www.lcompanyranger.com/

Notice that it seemed to be the trend to tape up the hand grips on many of these weapons. Also note the heavy wear, to the point where the finish is worn of the tele stocks, revealing the bare aluminum underneath.





The A1 in the picture below has the furniture completely taped up, including the stock and the handguards, making for one ugly rifle.




This RTO appears to have made a sling from surgical tube.


Notice the use of cloth camouflage on many of these weapons.










Link Posted: 7/30/2006 4:45:35 PM EDT
CMoH winner Franklin Miller (MAC V SOG) with a XM177 of some type... looks like a cleaning rod taped on.


Captai Rick Rescorla at LZ X-Ray, he was later kille in the World Trade Center. Has an XM16E1


Good shot of an XM16E1


Looks like A1's heavly engaged


I thought this was cool. A VC "reward leaflet" showing how much each captured weapon was worth.

Link Posted: 7/30/2006 11:13:02 PM EDT
Congrats there Fitter you got it off to a good start and got it tacked too.
Now let me see if I can round up a pic or two.

Elvis
Link Posted: 7/31/2006 10:50:26 AM EDT
here is my re-post of my M16A1 pictures...
general field action 1985

me playing tough guy, 1984

M203/A1 on my wall

Link Posted: 7/31/2006 1:09:27 PM EDT
Fitter, you are the shizznitz....
Link Posted: 8/2/2006 12:37:29 PM EDT












Link Posted: 8/3/2006 9:40:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2006 9:43:55 PM EDT by Blanco_Diablo]
Anyone plan on posting the whole "Colt retro line up" like before or am I gonna have to? Luckily I saved all those pics...lemme know if you guys want me to put them up.

ETA: If thats alright with captrichardson and everyone...
Link Posted: 8/4/2006 9:43:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Anyone plan on posting the whole "Colt retro line up" like before or am I gonna have to? Luckily I saved all those pics...lemme know if you guys want me to put them up.

ETA: If thats alright with captrichardson and everyone...


post 'em

Link Posted: 8/4/2006 5:40:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2007 8:47:29 PM EDT by Blanco_Diablo]
(ETA: All pictures were gotten from captrichardson's original thread. I cannot take credit for finding these pics as I just saved them from that thread and reposted them here for you guys. Just dont want it to seem like I'm taking credit for all this.)
Model 601 - AR15
Notes:
*Brown furnature (fiberglass handguards, bakelite? pistol grip and buttstock), usually painted green
*"Slabside" upper and lower (no forward assist, case deflector, or magazine fence)
*Early "slabside" chrome bolt carrier (no forward assist cuts)
*Early 3 prong "duckbill" flashider
*Early "triangular" charging handle
*1/14 twist barrel



Model 602 - AR15 USAF
Notes:
*Black painted furniture (I believe)
*Slabside upper and lower
*Slabside chrome bolt carrier
*"Beefed up" 3 prong flashider
*Triangular charging handle



Model 603 - M16A1
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture
*Forward assist, no case deflector
*Can be found with both regular 3 prong flashider and A1 "birdcage" flashider
*"Full magazine fence" lower
*Earlier rifles had chrome bolt carriers/bolts, then just chrome carrier and parkerized bolt, then parkerized carrier and bolt
*Earlier rifles also had a solid buttstock with rubber buttplate, later (more common) ones had trapdoor buttstocks with plastic buttplate



Model 604 - M16
Notes:
*Black plastic(?) furniture
*3 prong flashider
*Slabside upper
*"Partial fence" lower



Model 605 - "Retro Dissipator"
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture
*15 inch barrel
*3 prong flashider
*Slabside upper
*Partial fence lower



Model 606 - Light Machine Gun(?)
(Any more pictures would be greatly appreciated; thanks to FITTER for the pic)


Model 607 - "Tanker" Model Carbine
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture
*"Gen 1" 2 posistion stock (little shorter than A1 length)
*10" barrel
*Can be seen with or without shortened A1 grip
*Short triangular handguards
*3.5" flash-and-sound moderator or 3 prong duckbill FH
*Can be seen with both slabside and forward assist uppers
*Partial fence lower
*Chrome slabside bolt carrier on slabside model




Model 608 - USAF Survival Rifle
Notes:
*Fixed aluminum stock
*Round plastic "tube" handguard
*Can be seen with or without "conical" flashider
*Slabside upper
*Partial fence lower
*Shortened A1 grip



Model 609 - US Army XM177E1
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*4.5" XM177 flash-and-sound moderator
*10" barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Can be seen with both partial and full fence lowers




Model 610 - US Army XM177/USAF GAU-5A
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*4.5" XM177 flash-and-sound moderator
*10" barrel
*Slabside upper



Model 619 - XM177E1 Commercial/Export Version
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*4.5" XM177 flash-and-sound moderator
*10" barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Full fence lower



Model 629 - US Army XM177E2
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*4.5" XM177 flash-and-sound moderator
*"Grenade ring" for attachment of XM148 (or XM203?) 40mm grenade launcher
*11.5" barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Full fence lower



Model 635 - 9mm SMG
Notes:
*9x19mm Parabellum
*10.5" barrel
*A1 flashider
*"Gen 3" 4 position fiberlite stock
*Plastic handguards
*A2 grip
*Permanant 9mm mag block in lower receiver mag well
*Takes modified Uzi mags (?)



Model 639 - XM177E2 Commercial/Export Version
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*Can be seen with XM flash-and-sound moderator and grenade ring or A1 flashider
*11.5" barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Full fence lower




Model 649 - USAF GAU-5AA
Notes:
*Black plastic handguards and A1 grip
*Rubber coated aluminum "Gen 2" 2 position stock
*4.5" XM177 flash-and-sound moderator
*"Grenade ring" for attachment of XM148 (or XM203?) 40mm grenade launcher
*11.5" barrel
*Slabside
*Full fence lower



Model 651 - M16A1 Carbine
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture (M16 non-trapdoor stock)
*14.5" light barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Full fence lower



Model 652 - M16 Carbine
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture (M16 non-trapdoor stock)
*14.5" light barrel
*Slabside upper
*Full fence lower



Model 653 - M16A1 Carbine w/ Collapsable Stock
Notes:
*Black plastic furniture
*Gen 2 buttstock (can also be seen with Gen 3 stock on later rifles)
*14.5" light barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Full fence lower



Model 655 - Sniper Rifle
Notes:
*Heavy barrel
*Forward assist upper
*Partial fence lower



Model 656 - Sniper Rifle
Notes:
*Heavy barrel
*Early "flattop" forward assist upper
*Partial fence lower
*"Hooded" front sight


*Note* SIONICS Suppressor
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 9:26:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2006 12:17:06 PM EDT by FITTER]
Nice job, BD!

Check the picture of the 605; I think you'll find that you double-posted the same model 604 photo in error. It might be worth editing some of the old text, as well.

This thread is shaping up nicely. Thanks to the mods for the tack!


ETA: Here are a couple of choices for your 605 image if you don't have the original:

From the "Carbine Guide" (BR1??), cleaned up and cropped:


Photoshopped from the 604 image above:


Link Posted: 8/5/2006 10:40:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2006 7:00:53 PM EDT by FITTER]
Additional commentary on the above profiles:

Model 601... 1:14 twist, brown furniture painted green

Model 603... XM16E1/M16A1, fwd asst, 1:12, should show duckbill flash suppressor

Model 604... w/o fwd asst, 1:12, should show birdcage flash suppressor, USAF

Model 605... 15" barrel

Model 606... HBAR w/o fwd asst, 20", M1 (need photo; will search) see post below

Model 609... 10" barrel

(Model 611... HBAR with fwd asst, belt-feed option M2) (need photo; will search)

Model 629... 11.5" barrel

Models 651-4... 14.5" barrel

Link Posted: 8/5/2006 3:51:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2006 3:54:34 PM EDT by Blanco_Diablo]

Originally Posted By FITTER:
Nice job, BD!

Check the picture of the 605; I think you'll find that you double-posted the same model 604 photo in error. It might be worth editing some of the old text, as well.

This thread is shaping up nicely. Thanks to the mods for the tack!


ETA: Here are a couple of choices for your 605 image if you don't have the original:

From the "Carbine Guide" (BR1??), cleaned up and cropped:
i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/6051jpeg.jpg

Photoshopped from the 604 image above:
i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/6052jpeg.jpg


Whoops! Yep, that's what I did. I was using Imageshack so I must've just copied the URL twice. Thanks for catching that! I'll fix it.

ETA: Still lookin for a pic of a Model 606.
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 5:41:04 PM EDT
heres a little something i found on sturmgewehr.



Link Posted: 8/5/2006 6:41:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By machinehead:
heres a little something i found on sturmgewehr.

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/machinehead323/DSC01709.jpg

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/machinehead323/DSC01705.jpg

WOW that's cool. Is that the one that was for sale for like $22k? Also, does anyone know if 601's were large hole or small hole?
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 6:51:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
WOW that's cool. Is that the one that was for sale for like $22k? Also, does anyone know if 601's were large hole or small hole?


im not for sure but this one is $17,500. 601's were small hole.
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 6:56:04 PM EDT
Crap...I'd like to try to find a real 601 upper but I'm gonna be using an SP1 large hole lower. And I'm not gonna convert it to small hole. Maybe what I'll do is get a large hole upper and dremel off the "arrow and R" on the sight to make it at least look more original. Then MAYBE dremel the forge markings off too. Unless the 601's did have them? Also, does anyone but Colt make largehole slabside uppers?
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 7:10:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2006 7:17:11 PM EDT by FITTER]

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Still lookin for a pic of a Model 606.


Here ya go:


Model 606 M1, HBAR, no fwd asst

Feel free to add it to your post above, although it isn't in the same profile-type view as the other photos.

The group photo I posted earlier in this thread of the CAR-15 family has me puzzled... the belt-fed HBAR on the right has no forward assist which would lead me to believe that it's a Model 606, except that the 606 wasn't belt fed. The belt-fed model 611 had a forward assist, but the photo seems to contradict that fact. The 606 wasn't belt fed, so what is it?
Link Posted: 8/5/2006 8:37:32 PM EDT
Thanks FITTER! Updated the list. If anyone has any other model's I missed, let me know and I'll update it.
Link Posted: 8/8/2006 7:48:45 PM EDT
uh oh, it's JPGlee....
Link Posted: 8/8/2006 7:55:25 PM EDT
height=8
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
uh oh, it's JPGlee....


Whats that supposed to mean?

Link Posted: 8/8/2006 7:58:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JPglee1:

Originally Posted By Hunterex:
uh oh, it's JPGlee....


Whats that supposed to mean?



Eh, you know me. Ex- mod on WarRifles.com
Link Posted: 8/8/2006 8:00:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2006 8:00:50 PM EDT by JPglee1]
Ahh gotcha.. now back to pictures :)
J
Link Posted: 8/8/2006 8:15:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/9/2006 7:55:42 PM EDT by Hunterex]
[Edit] Pointless convo removed.
Link Posted: 8/9/2006 4:12:24 PM EDT
Back to retro pics, guys!
Link Posted: 8/12/2006 12:05:31 PM EDT



These dont have any M16's in them but I thought they were pretty cool. I'll remove them if you guys want.
(view of the Khe Sahn valley from a Huey)


Link Posted: 8/13/2006 10:47:11 AM EDT
These should really be posted under Capt Richardson's Carbine Guide - but since we don't know how long it will be around I'm posting them here:

U.S. Army Rangers speaking with Vice Admiral Metcalf during Urgent Fury [Oct 1983]. At least two M653's are present:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/sgtmonroe/Colt%20Carbines/DF-SN-84-10808.jpg

U.S. Army Ranger with M67 recoiless rifle and M653 during Urgent Fury [Oct 1983]:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/sgtmonroe/Colt%20Carbines/DN-SN-84-12039.jpg

U.S. Marine in Beirut [Dec 1983] with M16A1 - to the right [off camera] is a Marine who obviously has an XM177E2 [only the flash suppressor can be seen]. I have tried to find this series of images in hopes another picture might show the Marine to the right and the XM177E2 - haven't been lucky enough:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/sgtmonroe/Colt%20Carbines/FD005474.jpg
Link Posted: 8/13/2006 11:27:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgt_monroe:
These should really be posted under Capt Richardson's Carbine Guide - but since we don't know how long it will be around I'm posting them here:


Maybe we'll redo it...
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 12:46:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2006 9:42:22 AM EDT by FITTER]




Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:26:55 PM EDT
Hey, FITTER - nice shot of the Model 613P in the 2nd image.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 10:17:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgt_monroe:
Hey, FITTER - nice shot of the Model 613P in the 2nd image.

How'd THAT get in here??

Very astute of you. Coppola had full cooperation of the Phillipean gov't in making that film, including the F-5 flyover. Well, at least when the Hueys weren't being used elsewhere.

I wondered who'd make mention of it.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:09:03 AM EDT
Not and M16 picture, but it sure is retro, though people might be interested to see this.


Soldier or actor/demonstrator clearly has a T48E1 (H&R imported FAL)

From here
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 8:28:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2006 6:43:03 AM EDT by QUIB]
Link Posted: 8/27/2006 9:25:24 AM EDT
Ah, I miss my "Buddy Holly" GI glasses.

Link Posted: 8/29/2006 3:19:53 PM EDT
Come on -- nobody misses the BCGs!! LOL!!!!
Link Posted: 8/29/2006 3:33:37 PM EDT
X
Link Posted: 8/30/2006 12:07:05 PM EDT




Link Posted: 9/1/2006 3:00:36 AM EDT
Some training pictures, CWT team members @ Hurlburt Field, Fla. circa 1966-1967.



Mike was always goofing off for the camera!
Link Posted: 9/1/2006 6:53:11 PM EDT
I'm guessing they were, but were Combat Weather Teams really supposed to do their job via ballon under combat conditions? Cool pictures regardless.
Link Posted: 9/1/2006 8:35:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2006 8:55:08 PM EDT by AirCommando]

Originally Posted By Thatguy96:
I'm guessing they were, but were Combat Weather Teams really supposed to do their job via balloon under combat conditions? Cool pictures regardless.

In theory, but we only used the balloons for wind runs for mass jumps in training: at least in my time. In Vietnam, there were few mass combat jumps. But we had the capability. The helicopter insertions were the norm.
Sorry about the size of the pictures, photobucket automatically resized them; they were bigger, showing the M-16's better. They had the duckbill flash suppressors.
Link Posted: 9/5/2006 11:04:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2006 11:06:01 PM EDT by Thatguy96]
Here are some guys keeping it retro, Hmong guerrillas in Laos.



Link Posted: 9/6/2006 6:57:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thatguy96:
Here are some guys keeping it retro, Hmong guerrillas in Laos.



WOW, I'm suprised that rifle works.. Cool pics..
Link Posted: 9/6/2006 6:11:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coltshorty14:

Originally Posted By Thatguy96:
Here are some guys keeping it retro, Hmong guerrillas in Laos.



WOW, I'm suprised that rifle works.. Cool pics..


Yeah, I bet its still minute-of-bare-assed-Lao-child, too.

Nice trigger discipline!
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