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Posted: 9/29/2005 1:37:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 6:59:20 PM EDT by Tim-L]
In a couple weeks, Noveske will be shipping the latest evolution of the Krinkov Flash Hider, which incorporates a number of improvements over the original Bulgarian design. It has been in testing for almost six months now, and results have been extremely positive. Here are the main improvements:

- Unitized body and native threads eliminate the need to have a separate thread adapter
- Flats are standardized for an M16 Armorer's Wrench
- The need for an end cap piece is eliminated. The cone threads directly into the body
- Wire retainer for the cone can be more easily accessed for ease of disassembly
- Disassembly slots can be used to index wires at the muzzle for shoot-through
- The cone material has been upgraded from Stainless to Heat Treated Chrome Moly for increased abrasion resistance (read: longer life)
- Weight is reduced by 1.5 oz for a total weight of 7.2 oz
- Each KX3 will be individually serialized for quality control tracking

I have seen the KX3 run hard through several training evolutions and it works as advertised, and is subjectively more efficient as a flash hider than the original. Other performance characteristics are unchanged.

ATF has approved the new KX3 for sale as a flash suppressor.

Here's the really good news: Retail price for the KX3 is the same as the original KFH.

Noveske is not one who is content to rest on his laurels, and is constantly striving to evolve his products to the next level. This is only one example of several unique projects that will be coming online in the very near future.

Ordering information available at:

www.jnrifleworks.com/cgi-bin/cart2/display.cgi?cat1=2

Here are some pics from Noveske to whet your appetite. Then get in line for one (right behind me). More to follow once I receive mine.

Tim







Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:42:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:08:47 PM EDT
Awe crap, I think I'm going to end up with a drawer full of various generations of Krink FHs?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:14:46 PM EDT
Nice.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:49:31 PM EDT
Is the US version really worth another $40?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:57:02 PM EDT
DAMN I JUST bought a KFH too. Hey at least my fire breathing pig is still there!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 2:59:11 PM EDT
Simply outstanding.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:06:15 PM EDT
How does this one compare size wise? (with the 'original')
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:10:39 PM EDT
Tim -

Is Noveske switching to producing these units only? Or will they still be making the older style? Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:51:39 PM EDT
Dammit! More stuff to buy!!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:00:22 PM EDT
Had to Have one. I just put my order in. Thanks for the post.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:23:34 PM EDT
Is it worth $40 more? If you absolutely have to have the best materials and design, yes. That said, the Bulgarian one is very functional. Keep in mind the varying availability of the Bulgarian version.

I believe the original US-made KFH will eventually be phased out, but both will be available for the time being.

Size between the KFH and KX3 are comparable (as seen in the pics above) but the KX3 is 1.5 ounces lighter.

Tim
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:53:11 PM EDT
Nice!
(although, the older one just "looks" a bit meaner!)

With no more thread adapter, do you now use a washer?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:08:19 PM EDT
tag-o-la
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:13:16 PM EDT
I just might hav to do another build for the new-gen KFH. Damn i thought my addiction was over.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:31:55 PM EDT
I didn't even get the first version yet.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:39:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I didn't even get the first version yet.


I gave up on trying to get first versions of anything cause things change so fast.

I just got my M93B a week ago and MagPul says they are gonna be phasing that out.

I can't win!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:44:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattld:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I didn't even get the first version yet.


I gave up on trying to get first versions of anything cause things change so fast.

I just got my M93B a week ago and MagPul says they are gonna be phasing that out.

I can't win!



Sometimes it's good not to have money right away.

Patiently waiting in line for the new KFH.

yakrat101
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:58:08 PM EDT

With no more thread adapter, do you now use a washer?


The new KX3 now uses a standard crush washer.

Tim
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:19:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 10:21:39 PM EDT by AR223]
Hope this isn't a stupid question but why does the new version require a washer... due to the wrench flats?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:25:03 PM EDT
Cool! But I still like the looks of the original one better. I think it has more "style" than the newer version. But, form follows function I suppose....
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 12:00:04 AM EDT by Tim-L]
Both versions are currently available, so you can have it your way.

Tim

PS. Here's a pic of a painted KX3 at a recent class in West Virginia:

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:52:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim-L:
Both versions are currently available, so you can have it your way.
Tim




Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:41:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ridge:
Awe crap, I think I'm going to end up with a drawer full of various generations of Krink FHs?



Hahahaha...now I have coffee all over da keyboard.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:26:28 AM EDT
As long as he keeps the fire breathin pig on it im in for 2!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:20:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:05:27 AM EDT
What interested me, besides the KX3 itself, was Tim's note: "The cone material has been upgraded from Stainless to Heat Treated Chrome Moly for increased abrasion resistance (read: longer life)."

What does that say about stainless barrels? Or is it an apples to oranges comparison?

John
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:11:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 9:15:56 AM EDT by Victor]

Originally Posted By Tim-L:
Both versions are currently available, so you can have it your way.

Tim

PS. Here's a pic of a painted KX3 at a recent class in West Virginia:

www.10-8forums.com/postimages/kx3.jpg



Anyone try this unit at night as yet? How effective is it?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 10:22:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 10:38:55 AM EDT by Tim-L]
Yes, I have seen it shot at night. It is noticeably more effective as a flash suppressor than the A2 compensator when shooting M855 and M193. The KX3 is subjectively more effective than the original Bulgarian design.

As for the Chrome Moly comment, it is apples to oranges. The tip of the cone is subjected to a tremendous amount of heat and abrasion under sustained rapid fire. Noveske found that the heat treated CM exhibits noticeably less erosion on the tip than the original 304 stainless cone.

FYI, Noveske also offers heat treated Chrome Moly cones for the original KFH. Contact them directly for further.

Tim
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 11:46:46 AM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:00:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 12:02:34 PM EDT by Victor]

Originally Posted By Tim-L:
Yes, I have seen it shot at night. It is noticeably more effective as a flash suppressor than the A2 compensator when shooting M855 and M193. The KX3 is subjectively more effective than the original Bulgarian design.

As for the Chrome Moly comment, it is apples to oranges. The tip of the cone is subjected to a tremendous amount of heat and abrasion under sustained rapid fire. Noveske found that the heat treated CM exhibits noticeably less erosion on the tip than the original 304 stainless cone.

FYI, Noveske also offers heat treated Chrome Moly cones for the original KFH. Contact them directly for further.

Tim



Thanks Tim,

I wonder how this unit compares with a Vortex? Granted, from what I've read the KX3 diverts gasses forward for short barrel AR platforms, different from the vortex to some extent. The vortex's flash supression at night is one of the best I've seen, (Virtually nothing while shooting a 6.8 and viewing with a Gen III device at 6 feet away.) Just curious on this. Thanks again.

Vic
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:00:12 PM EDT
Vic, get one and find out for us

Please
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:41:07 PM EDT
The Vortex and Phantom flash suppressors are more effective in suppressing flash than the KFH or KX3. The Noveske KX3 and KFH reduces flash from M855, M193 and Black Hills Mk262 down to a small orange cone out of a 10.5" barrel and possesses qualities absent from all other non-NFA muzzle devices.

Tim
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:48:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim-L:
The Vortex and Phantom flash suppressors are more effective in suppressing flash than the KFH or KX3. The Noveske KX3 and KFH reduces flash from M855, M193 and Black Hills Mk262 down to a small orange cone out of a 10.5" barrel and possesses qualities absent from all other non-NFA muzzle devices.

Tim



THANKS for the info Tim; I surmised the Vortex would perform a bit better as it is primarily designed for this role. Hard to beat this system for night shoot and NVD's The KFH/KX3 helps the short barrel gasses escape more efficiently as I understand it, plus reduces flash. Great

I owe you a brewski, since Duffy nominated me to buy and test one, you saved me!

Vic
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:06:44 PM EDT
Any of you guys that are buying the new version and want to sell your old one cheap, let me know.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:00:57 PM EDT

The KFH/KX3 helps the short barrel gasses escape more efficiently as I understand it, plus reduces flash.


Actually, the device helps trap gas and makes the system act as if it had a longer barrel, thus increasing reliability in the short guns.

Tim
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:11:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim-L:

The KFH/KX3 helps the short barrel gasses escape more efficiently as I understand it, plus reduces flash.


Actually, the device helps trap gas and makes the system act as if it had a longer barrel, thus increasing reliability in the short guns.

Tim



Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:49:33 PM EDT
hi guys- stupid question, i have a 16' a2 bushmaster ,how would the krinkov flash hider look on something like that? can the barrel be cut to keep the same legal length?also how hard is the
install?
thanks
drice

Link Posted: 10/1/2005 1:23:51 AM EDT
The KFH/KX3 attaches via the standard 1/2 x 28 barrel threads.

Link Posted: 10/1/2005 9:06:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 8:03:11 PM EDT
tag for time to get some $$$

man, I hate you guys.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 2:58:38 PM EDT
Tim,

Do you have a side by side comparison of the flash from the KFH & the KX3? What about sound? Am I gaining noise to reduce flash? I was getting ready to order a KFH but will probably go with the KX3. I was concerned about timing the KFH to my barrel so the pig & logo would be right side up since it dosen't use a washer. I guess the KX3 solves this. All advice, info & replies are greatly appreciated!

Robert
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:40:05 PM EDT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/Simon520/LMG001.jpg


I have to agree. The KFH (old version) helps with reliability on those short barrels....

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:50:29 PM EDT
I'm really thinking of getting one for a 16" for hunting. Is the noise reduction really noticable from the shooter's position? That's really the only thing I'm worried about since I don't wear ear plugs while hunting.

Thanks,

WIZZO
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:08:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 3:08:40 AM EDT by Tim-L]
Tac2cal,

The following link will answer all your performance questions regarding the KFH. The KX3 has subjectively better performance with flash suppression, but it is probably a marginal difference. Most of the improvements are in ease of install and durability.

www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=otherguns&Number=5149

Wizzo,

The noise REDIRECTION results in decrease in perceived noise from the shooter's position. It is most noticeable with the 10.5"-11.5" barrels but somewhat noticeable with the 16" barrels.

Tim
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 5:05:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Simon520:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/Simon520/LMG001.jpg


I have to agree. The KFH (old version) helps with reliability on those short barrels....




Let's see how she runs in 3 weeks at Wikieup
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 7:02:36 AM EDT
My identity has been sussed!

That's RKM's baby, not mine. Only RKM would be nuts enough to cut down a perfectly good Colt original LMG upper and molykote it green. His excuse was that the handguard had a crack in it, but I think the only crack around was in the pipe he was smoking...

Link Posted: 10/3/2005 7:06:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captcanuck:
Any of you guys that are buying the new version and want to sell your old one cheap, let me know.



+1 I would like to be second. I like the old one better.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:48:03 PM EDT
Tag

Link Posted: 10/3/2005 4:20:15 PM EDT
I just got my old style Krinkov FH and now it's passe".

It does work as advertised though.

I am running mine on a LMT 10.5" barrelled upper with Larue 7.0 rail.

Functions perfectly, it is quieter (unless you are in my sights!!!!), and recoil is a lot less.

It does add a bit of weight to the front end, but I don't mind that.

I do prefer the look of the older style though........





SKBY.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 5:37:35 PM EDT
Hm, the Colt LMG upper is pretty useless IMO, might as well cut it down if you're gonna have fun, but I'd sooner sell it and build myself a less expensive blaster.
So ya gonna make it this time Simon?
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