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Posted: 1/10/2005 8:02:30 AM EDT
I am a victim of my own greed - I'll just admit it.  

I tried some of that new no-lacquer Wolf 62 grain ammunition in my M16 with 11.5 BM upper last week - worked fine, all was well.  Picked it up the weapon  this morning and felt the bolt was oddly sticky in coming back with the charging handle.  Sure enough, my last round had failed to extract and was stuck in the chamber.  I hadn't noticed it and put the rifle in the case and went on home.  Just like my experience with the earlier Wolf that I swore off.  And this was SA only, even without the heat generated by FA.

Memo to self - 1. never never ever buy anymore Wolf ammunition.  Don't take any if they are giving it away in piles.  2. Buy a couple of broken shell extractors immediately.  Keep them handy.  3. Don't be so fucking greedy and try to save a couple of dollars, especially when dealing with my $10K M16.

[rant off]
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:55:23 AM EDT
Oh stop it, I am so sick and tired of people bashing Wolf ammo, I am beginning to believe that some of you just like to see your self type negative crap so that you can sit back and feel important. I have shot thousands of rounds of the new Wolf 223 62 gr. ammo with the help of some of my friends, and NEVER had any problems.
             In your post you stated your AR was an M16, which tells me that you are shooting full auto, and probably are going through a shit load  of rounds. If this is the case (usually is) then why don't you try cleaning your rifle more often, or  a little better. It is amazing how well this rifle performs when the proper maintenance is performed.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:59:40 AM EDT
Alot of people like shooting the Wolf .223,and I shoot Wolf almost exclusively out of my AKs,but I just can't bring myself to use it in my M4.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:05:27 AM EDT
Actually, smart guy, this is not my idea of making myself feel important or as you so nicely put it "just like to see your self type negative crap."  I am simply relating what happened in my experience, and my reaction to it.  Perhaps somebody else has had the same trouble and that indicates a pattern that we might all learn something from.

And just for the record, the upper is almost new with less than 100 rounds through it, so it is not a question of it or the new bolt in it being dirty.

I'm delighted that you have had such good luck with Wolf ammunition.  I am delighted that you are so all-knowing and equally confident in your equipment and intelligence.

People like you are oboviously way too smart to believe this kind of post, so just move along.



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:06:42 AM EDT
well, my ar's have not blown up, got rounds stuck in the chamber, or had accuracy problems so bad that would preclude me from tagging a man sized target at 300 yards, so i guess i am one of the lucky ones.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:20:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:20:33 AM EDT

I'm delighted that you have had such good luck with Wolf ammunition.  I am delighted that you are so all-knowing and equally confident in your equipment and intelligence.

People like you are oboviously way too smart to believe this kind of post, so just move along.




 
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:27:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gentlmen-please keep things civil in this forum. Although I shoot gobs of wolf without problem, reports like this-specific problems are certainly worthwhile.

Thanks, carry on.

Oh Tirador223 how long have you had that shorty upper i.e how many rounds and what ammo? Any other problems with it? Just curious, the shorties do seem kind of pickier than other uppers.



I appreciate the caution about civility.  Beerbellybo (love that handle - I feel like I can almost see him) seemed to want to jump right in without a whole lot of knowledge about my circumstances or equipment, or anything else.

As I mentioned, the short upper is almost brand new with very few rounds through it.  No problems during an earlier FA run of brass-cased ammunition from a South African battlepack through it.  I have heard the stories of problems with short uppers and think this one will be fine as long as I avoid using you-know-what.


Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:29:48 AM EDT
You would have more than a stuck case in the chamber if you failed to properly clear and safety flag your rifle on the range I shoot at.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:33:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
I am a victim of my own greed - I'll just admit it.  

I tried some of that new no-lacquer Wolf 62 grain ammunition in my M16 with 11.5 BM upper last week - worked fine, all was well.  Picked it up the weapon  this morning and felt the bolt was oddly sticky in coming back with the charging handle.  Sure enough, my last round had failed to extract and was stuck in the chamber.  I hadn't noticed it and put the rifle in the case and went on home.  Just like my experience with the earlier Wolf that I swore off.  And this was SA only, even without the heat generated by FA.

Memo to self - 1. never never ever buy anymore Wolf ammunition.  Don't take any if they are giving it away in piles.  2. Buy a couple of broken shell extractors immediately.  Keep them handy.  3. Don't be so fucking greedy and try to save a couple of dollars, especially when dealing with my $10K M16.

[rant off]



I agree with you completely.  I had same sort of experience and I made the same declaration about Wolf.  Don't worry it won't be hard to never ever shoot around round of Wolf again but what will be hard is trying not to bash it.  Took me a good six months....but I'm over it.  I just read the stories and laugh.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:43:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dcat:
You would have more than a stuck case in the chamber if you failed to properly clear and safety flag your rifle on the range I shoot at.



You're quite right.  I should have checked the chamber (I had pulled back the bolt and dry-fired the gun at the ground) before casing the rifle.  Things are a little less formal out in the woods, but your point is well taken.



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:45:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gentlmen-please keep things civil in this forum. Although I shoot gobs of wolf without problem, reports like this-specific problems are certainly worthwhile.

Thanks, carry on.

Oh Tirador223 how long have you had that shorty upper i.e how many rounds and what ammo? Any other problems with it? Just curious, the shorties do seem kind of pickier than other uppers.



I appreciate the caution about civility.  Beerbellybo (love that handle - I feel like I can almost see him) seemed to want to jump right in without a whole lot of knowledge about my circumstances or equipment, or anything else.

Tiraddor, My handle has nothing to do with my appearance. I just thought the name was kinda funny. If this 5.56 ammo shortage we are current experiencing gets any worse, Wolf 223  won't look so bad after all. Just my .02
As I mentioned, the short upper is almost brand new with very few rounds through it.  No problems during an earlier FA run of brass-cased ammunition from a South African battlepack through it.  I have heard the stories of problems with short uppers and think this one will be fine as long as I avoid using you-know-what.



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:49:00 AM EDT
Some rifles like Wolf and some do not.  Test your rifle and find out.   Tirador223's M16 had problems so he is sol.  

Btw, where did you shoot Tirador223?  (I'm always searching for new areas in VA to fire FA.)
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:50:51 AM EDT
wolf works for me, sent all ya don't want my way.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:55:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 9:57:43 AM EDT by Tirador223]

Originally Posted By 7:
Some rifles like Wolf and some do not.  Test your rifle and find out.   Tirador223's M16 had problems so he is sol.  

Btw, where did you shoot Tirador223?  (I'm always searching for new areas in VA to fire FA.)



It is extremely hard to find anywhere near Richmond to let 'er rip.  My only real opportunity is on a friend's property in Spotsylvania - in the middle of 1000 acres.

Usually I am shooting suppressed with pistols or subgun (micro Uzi) or a suppressed upper for my M16 and are much more discrete.  The only formal range I belong to doesn't allow FA (the former Issac Walton place in Charles City) so I have to sneak out in the woods with suppressors screwed on tight wherever I can.

That range on Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond allows FA, but only pistol caliber and with their ammunition, of course.


Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:29:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:

It is extremely hard to find anywhere near Richmond to let 'er rip.  My only real opportunity is on a friend's property in Spotsylvania - in the middle of 1000 acres.

Usually I am shooting suppressed with pistols or subgun (micro Uzi) or a suppressed upper for my M16 and are much more discrete.  The only formal range I belong to doesn't allow FA (the former Issac Walton place in Charles City) so I have to sneak out in the woods with suppressors screwed on tight wherever I can.

That range on Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond allows FA, but only pistol caliber and with their ammunition, of course.



Have you tried BlackCreek on the henrico side of Richmond ? If not I think directions are in the VA form
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:33:19 AM EDT
I have heard of Black Creek but don't know anything about it - thanks for the tip - I'll look on the VA hometown forum.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 10:55:42 AM EDT
Has no one mentioned the obvious?  Something may be wrong with your weapon.

How many rounds did you shoot?  Your initial post didn't say, and I can't get an idea of what the failure rate is without knowing how many rounds you put down the pipe.  Failures are to be expected with every ammo... all you can hope for is to keep them to an absolute minimum.  Remember the Army and Marines only get the best that Lake City has to offer, and they still practice malfunction and clearing drills.  Direct impingement gas operated weapons are funny like that.  
Also, you make it sound like the weapon has never had a malfunction, which I know isn't true.  Are you completely sure it was the ammo, and not the fact that you shot a bunch, didn't clear and clean your warm weapon, and then let it sit for a week before you found a stuck case or round in the chamber?  Your maintanance cycle is poor, if nothing else.

And please try to use logic here...  Wolf is not SHTF ammo, and no one is going to make a case for it in that regard.  However, for about half the price of XM193, Wolf is tremendous plinking and blasting ammo...  especially if you have an M16.  As a matter of fact, if I couldn't shoot wolf, I'd probably sell my M16, as I couldn't afford to shoot as much as I like to.


And yes, I'm a card carrying member of the Wolf Anti-Defamation League.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:01:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
Has no one mentioned the obvious?  Something may be wrong with your weapon.

How many rounds did you shoot?  Your initial post didn't say, and I can't get an idea of what the failure rate is without knowing how many rounds you put down the pipe.  Failures are to be expected with every ammo... all you can hope for is to keep them to an absolute minimum.  Remember the Army and Marines only get the best that Lake City has to offer, and they still practice malfunction and clearing drills.  Direct impingement gas operated weapons are funny like that.  
Also, you make it sound like the weapon has never had a malfunction, which I know isn't true.  Are you completely sure it was the ammo, and not the fact that you shot a bunch, didn't clear and clean your warm weapon, and then let it sit for a week before you found a stuck case or round in the chamber?  Your maintanance cycle is poor, if nothing else.

And please try to use logic here...  Wolf is not SHTF ammo, and no one is going to make a case for it in that regard.  However, for about half the price of XM193, Wolf is tremendous plinking and blasting ammo...  especially if you have an M16.  As a matter of fact, if I couldn't shoot wolf, I'd probably sell my M16, as I couldn't afford to shoot as much as I like to.


And yes, I'm a card carrying member of the Wolf Anti-Defamation League.  



OK, what is the BEST wolf there is?  How much is it and where do you find it for the cheapest???  Got a link?

I need to give something a shake through one of my semi AR's before I let it roll in the M16.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:02:36 AM EDT
Just a newbie's .02c but it seems to me that people are trying to shoot the world's cheapest ammo and expecting 100% acc. and 100% reliably. Want better, buy better! For $99/1000 rds, a couple of  jams or a stuck case or even a rnd or 2 out of 1000 that makes a right turn after exiting the barrel, don't bother me. Now for SHTF ammo I'll pay $300/1000rnds. Again, just a newbie's .02.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:08:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
Actually, smart guy, this is not my idea of making myself feel important or as you so nicely put it "just like to see your self type negative crap."  I am simply relating what happened in my experience, and my reaction to it.  Perhaps somebody else has had the same trouble and that indicates a pattern that we might all learn something from.



The lessons learned here would be clean your weapon after you shoot it.


And just for the record, the upper is almost new with less than 100 rounds through it, so it is not a question of it or the new bolt in it being dirty.  


But you just shot a hundred rounds through a brand new upper! I'll bet you it's a bit dirtier now!
And I'm almost tempted to call BS on the very low number of rounds you shot, as us full auto guys usually like to warm up our stuff when they come out of the safe, and 100 rounds is like eating just one piece of popcorn...


I'm delighted that you have had such good luck with Wolf ammunition.  <Snip>



A very large number of us have shot a small mountains worth of this ammo, and we know it to be very good stuff, if not particularly accurate or hot.  What kills us is when you come on and say how you had a malfuction that, in all likelyhood, you caused by not exercising proper mantanence.  Not to mention the fact that it is a new, untested and unproven upper.   Funny how you never looked for any other possible causation, just went directly to the ammo.  It was a poor target, and far to easy...


Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:18:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 11:18:38 AM EDT by 7]

Originally Posted By Tirador223:

Originally Posted By 7:
Some rifles like Wolf and some do not.  Test your rifle and find out.   Tirador223's M16 had problems so he is sol.  

Btw, where did you shoot Tirador223?  (I'm always searching for new areas in VA to fire FA.)



It is extremely hard to find anywhere near Richmond to let 'er rip.  My only real opportunity is on a friend's property in Spotsylvania - in the middle of 1000 acres.

Usually I am shooting suppressed with pistols or subgun (micro Uzi) or a suppressed upper for my M16 and are much more discrete.  The only formal range I belong to doesn't allow FA (the former Issac Walton place in Charles City) so I have to sneak out in the woods with suppressors screwed on tight wherever I can.

That range on Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond allows FA, but only pistol caliber and with their ammunition, of course.



Hmm, 1000 acres and closer to NOVA.  Hmm, can you (and your friend) be my friend too?    Would he like to shoot a beltfed?  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:21:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
Has no one mentioned the obvious?  Something may be wrong with your weapon.

How many rounds did you shoot?  Your initial post didn't say, and I can't get an idea of what the failure rate is without knowing how many rounds you put down the pipe.  Failures are to be expected with every ammo... all you can hope for is to keep them to an absolute minimum.  Remember the Army and Marines only get the best that Lake City has to offer, and they still practice malfunction and clearing drills.  Direct impingement gas operated weapons are funny like that.  
Also, you make it sound like the weapon has never had a malfunction, which I know isn't true.  Are you completely sure it was the ammo, and not the fact that you shot a bunch, didn't clear and clean your warm weapon, and then let it sit for a week before you found a stuck case or round in the chamber?  Your maintanance cycle is poor, if nothing else.

And please try to use logic here...  Wolf is not SHTF ammo, and no one is going to make a case for it in that regard.  However, for about half the price of XM193, Wolf is tremendous plinking and blasting ammo...  especially if you have an M16.  As a matter of fact, if I couldn't shoot wolf, I'd probably sell my M16, as I couldn't afford to shoot as much as I like to.


And yes, I'm a card carrying member of the Wolf Anti-Defamation League.  



OK, what is the BEST wolf there is?  How much is it and where do you find it for the cheapest???  Got a link?

I need to give something a shake through one of my semi AR's before I let it roll in the M16.





I always buy the 62 grain stuff... no particular reason other than it always goes bang and so I keep buying what works.  I think you'd have a hard time finding anything other than the polymer coated stuff anymore, so don't worry too much about that.  Deals vary from vendor to vendor... the best I've gotten is $89 for a case from Miwall at a local gunshow.  
Centerfire Systems has an ad in the newest shotgun news for 1000 rounds of wolf for $109, shipped.  Thats the best I've seen with shipping lately.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:52:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
Has no one mentioned the obvious?  Something may be wrong with your weapon.

How many rounds did you shoot?  Your initial post didn't say, and I can't get an idea of what the failure rate is without knowing how many rounds you put down the pipe.  Failures are to be expected with every ammo... all you can hope for is to keep them to an absolute minimum.  Remember the Army and Marines only get the best that Lake City has to offer, and they still practice malfunction and clearing drills.  Direct impingement gas operated weapons are funny like that.  
Also, you make it sound like the weapon has never had a malfunction, which I know isn't true.  Are you completely sure it was the ammo, and not the fact that you shot a bunch, didn't clear and clean your warm weapon, and then let it sit for a week before you found a stuck case or round in the chamber?  Your maintanance cycle is poor, if nothing else.

And please try to use logic here...  Wolf is not SHTF ammo, and no one is going to make a case for it in that regard.  However, for about half the price of XM193, Wolf is tremendous plinking and blasting ammo...  especially if you have an M16.  As a matter of fact, if I couldn't shoot wolf, I'd probably sell my M16, as I couldn't afford to shoot as much as I like to.


And yes, I'm a card carrying member of the Wolf Anti-Defamation League.  



OK, what is the BEST wolf there is?  How much is it and where do you find it for the cheapest???  Got a link?

I need to give something a shake through one of my semi AR's before I let it roll in the M16.






Sportsmanguide has some pretty good deals as well. Coupons are still good.

www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=193267


Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:52:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
I am a victim of my own greed - I'll just admit it.  

I tried some of that new no-lacquer Wolf 62 grain ammunition in my M16 with 11.5 BM upper last week - worked fine, all was well.  Picked it up the weapon  this morning and felt the bolt was oddly sticky in coming back with the charging handle.  Sure enough, my last round had failed to extract and was stuck in the chamber.  I hadn't noticed it and put the rifle in the case and went on home.  Just like my experience with the earlier Wolf that I swore off.  And this was SA only, even without the heat generated by FA.

Memo to self - 1. never never ever buy anymore Wolf ammunition.  Don't take any if they are giving it away in piles.  2. Buy a couple of broken shell extractors immediately.  Keep them handy.  3. Don't be so fucking greedy and try to save a couple of dollars, especially when dealing with my $10K M16.

[rant off]



Never had a single problem with Wolf!!!  9mm, .45acp, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:09:46 PM EDT
you know what I think is funny...when someone has ONE problem with Wolf they automatically assume....THIS AMMO IS CRAP!!! but I would bet if they had a similar issue with LC or Q3131a they'd shrug it off as no big deal....to be honest...bash the ammo as much as u want...I used to be on that boat too! till I actually used the stuff (once they switched to poly) And as far as I can remeber I have had zero fails in around 3K rounds fired...ussually shooting of about 300+ per outting. but hey dont use it if ya dont wanna....and continue to bash it so noobs start to believe you...all yer gonna do is cut yer allready low XM193 supply down...while I'll still be able to buy tonz of wolf, which works wonders in my gun!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:13:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
Actually, smart guy, this is not my idea of making myself feel important or as you so nicely put it "just like to see your self type negative crap."  I am simply relating what happened in my experience, and my reaction to it.  Perhaps somebody else has had the same trouble and that indicates a pattern that we might all learn something from.



The lessons learned here would be clean your weapon after you shoot it.


And just for the record, the upper is almost new with less than 100 rounds through it, so it is not a question of it or the new bolt in it being dirty.  


But you just shot a hundred rounds through a brand new upper! I'll bet you it's a bit dirtier now!
And I'm almost tempted to call BS on the very low number of rounds you shot, as us full auto guys usually like to warm up our stuff when they come out of the safe, and 100 rounds is like eating just one piece of popcorn...


I'm delighted that you have had such good luck with Wolf ammunition.  <Snip>



A very large number of us have shot a small mountains worth of this ammo, and we know it to be very good stuff, if not particularly accurate or hot.  What kills us is when you come on and say how you had a malfuction that, in all likelyhood, you caused by not exercising proper mantanence.  Not to mention the fact that it is a new, untested and unproven upper.   Funny how you never looked for any other possible causation, just went directly to the ammo.  It was a poor target, and far to easy...





Sigh.  Ok, here goes.  I only shot 100 rounds out of the upper (ok, four boxes of the SA battlepack ammunition) because that was all I had on me and wanted to try it out.  I have quite a few NFA toys and know that 100 rounds does not make those of us with these guns very happy.  It was unusual, and I will try to do better next time.

Yes, I should clean my weapon after using it.  Again, I'll try to do better and in the future certainly won't report my shortcomings here for everybody to see and comment on.

And I assumed that it was the ammunition for two reasons: 1. The upper had performed fine with the small test I had given it earlier. 2. I had a bad experience with Wolf ammunition before with a stuck case.  Therefore, it seems logical that this was the problem again, even with the new coating they use.  The fact I had to pound the empty case out of the chamber with a cleaning rod seems to indicate to me that it is not the fault of the upper, but something with the ammunition.  All you Wolf fans can put your heads together and come up with some reason this is the fault of the almost new upper and my lousy cleaning, I am sure.

I refer to my response to Beerbellybo and say that I am not telling you to not use Wolf ammunition.  I am only reporting my experience, and expressing my oponion.  If you are using Wolf by the truckload and it works for you, well, that is fine by me.  As the title of my first post suggests, I think I should not have tried to save the money in buying Wolf but should have just stuck with my SA battlepack ammunition.  I wish I had.  As it turned out, my experience was not good.  End of story.



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:21:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
I have heard of Black Creek but don't know anything about it - thanks for the tip - I'll look on the VA hometown forum.



I'm a member out at Black Creek... I doubt that Mr. Young (the owner) would be thrilled with FA, but if you asked up front he may be OK with it on a limited basis.  I'll ask him this weekend when I'm out there.  FWIW, he usually comes strolling down to the range to see WTF is going on if anyone does a SA mag dump (even with .22s), so I'm not too hopeful...
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:31:08 PM EDT
I am a newb but when I read your post, the first thing I thought was how could you quit shooting and pack up your rifle without checking the chamber. I also can't believe how this is a discussion on ammo or cleaning etc. it should be safety. hope you learn something from from this, besides just an opinion about wolf ammo.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:32:26 PM EDT
I was with MGinVA at Black creek when the 22 mag dump happened...oh wait, it was me.  Mr Young's response to me was <upset grandfather voice>"the object of shooting is to hit what you are aiming at, not to see how many bullets you can send downrange".</grandfather voice>

I highly doubt that he'll be receptive to a FA weapon, but if you go ask to shoot it on the Special purpose/Black Powder range.  That range is usually roped off and only (to my knowledge) used when we shoot IDPA and IPSC there.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:41:22 PM EDT
wolf works great for me, except when I try to bump fire it, gotta use the good stuff for that.

txl
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:48:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ric9977:
I am a newb but when I read your post, the first thing I thought was how could you quit shooting and pack up your rifle without checking the chamber. I also can't believe how this is a discussion on ammo or cleaning etc. it should be safety. hope you learn something from from this, besides just an opinion about wolf ammo.



Yeah, I learned something.  Check chamber before casing gun.  Clean gun more often, even if it has a brand new upper and a hundred rounds through it.  Don't buy Wolf ammunition.  Don't rant about on the internet if you do and it doesn't work out for you.

Seriously, I got the point about checking the chamber of the gun.  I cocked it, pulled the trigger with it pointing safely at the ground, but did not look in the chamber.  If I had, and seen the stuck case, I couldn't have done anything about it at the time having no cleaning rod with me.  It would, however, have been nice to be CURSING WOLF AMMUNITION all the way home.  Maybe I would have got it out of my system by then and not posted my rant on this site.






Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:23:08 PM EDT
I really don't care if people bash it, as long as there is more for me and maybe the price will go down even further.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:56:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gentlmen-please keep things civil in this forum. Although I shoot gobs of wolf without problem, reports like this-specific problems are certainly worthwhile.

Thanks, carry on.

Oh Tirador223 how long have you had that shorty upper i.e how many rounds and what ammo? Any other problems with it? Just curious, the shorties do seem kind of pickier than other uppers.



+1, and well said.

I haven't had any trouble with Wolf in the Colt 14.5s on FA.  I had an opportunity to run a few hundred rounds FA through a 10.5 (not sure what mfg) this past summer and had no problems there, either.

Makes sense that if you were going to have a FTEx with Wolf it might happen in a shorty.

Sam
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:42:17 PM EDT
With a 5.56 ammo shortage on the horizon, and talk of price increases, I am kind of eager to see what all the anti Wolf Shooters will  be loading there mags with this summer, (especially the full auto guys) By mid summer Wolf, Silver Bear, and Brown Bear won't look so bad after all, if prices keep climbing, because of the shortage. The way I look at it is this, If my SHTF weapon will not function on 99.9% of  the 5.56/.223 ammo that is currently available, then that weapon does not belong in my possession.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:00:24 PM EDT
$10K M16?  i will forever take the "i shoot wolf abuse."
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:20:00 PM EDT
And people bitch my AK74s will be hard to feed. Admitted, I expect to access a huge source of 5.56 ammo in the future, but for people who aren't paid to shoot there could be a huge dry spell coming soon.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:09:20 AM EDT
I just love Wolf and the price.  Just moved 50k this weekend, all of it steel case, will stick in chamber, gum up bolt, and destroy your barrel ammo.  Paid less than half of what most places charge for PMC.  Gotta love it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 3:11:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tirador223:
I am a victim of my own greed - I'll just admit it.  

I tried some of that new no-lacquer Wolf 62 grain ammunition in my M16 with 11.5 BM upper last week - worked fine, all was well.  Picked it up the weapon  this morning and felt the bolt was oddly sticky in coming back with the charging handle.  Sure enough, my last round had failed to extract and was stuck in the chamber.  I hadn't noticed it and put the rifle in the case and went on home.  Just like my experience with the earlier Wolf that I swore off.  And this was SA only, even without the heat generated by FA.

Memo to self - 1. never never ever buy anymore Wolf ammunition.  Don't take any if they are giving it away in piles.  2. Buy a couple of broken shell extractors immediately.  Keep them handy.  3. Don't be so fucking greedy and try to save a couple of dollars, especially when dealing with my $10K M16.

[rant off]


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Pretty irresponsible if you didn't check the chamber visually before putting the rifle away. As for you not buying Wolf ammo.........good!  Thats all the more for those who like it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:29:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beerbellybo:
With a 5.56 ammo shortage on the horizon, and talk of price increases, I am kind of eager to see what all the anti Wolf Shooters will  be loading there mags with this summer, (especially the full auto guys) By mid summer Wolf, Silver Bear, and Brown Bear won't look so bad after all, if prices keep climbing, because of the shortage. The way I look at it is this, If my SHTF weapon will not function on 99.9% of  the 5.56/.223 ammo that is currently available, then that weapon does not belong in my possession.



You are absolutely right, if you talk sh*t about Wolf and they you are forced to go out and buy it....  Myself, I'm going to run out of the good stuff, the XM193 and XM855 and Q3131a, in the summer....the summer of 2008.  I can figure out how to stretch 15k rounds until then.  I can assure you I will never buy another Wolf cartridge in ANY caliber ever again.  

BTW, my friends think I'm silly because I put premium gasoline in my car, too.  
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:39:44 PM EDT
Here's something interesting for all you lovers of the XM193!  BAWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


New, super secret ammo from Federal!
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