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6/25/2018 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 8/11/2018 10:54:46 PM EDT
I've have aimpoints (comp m2, m3, pro and two t-1, currently BACK to a t-1) mini acogs, and LPVOs (all budget level through the years)...

Because I can never leave well enough the hell alone, I'm considering selling the T1 I've got (only have 1 rifle these days, believe it or not) and eyeballing the Steiner...

Tell me I'm crazy.
Link Posted: 8/11/2018 11:09:27 PM EDT
Interested in the P4xi as well. In for comments.
Link Posted: 8/11/2018 11:31:59 PM EDT
I won’t discourage you OP. I’ve been very happy with mine. Hard to beat in its price range. Do make sure you get the throw lever though.
Link Posted: 8/11/2018 11:36:15 PM EDT
I hope this gets spicy as I’m considering the same piece. If I know I want a 1-4, what is a better choice under $1K new?
Link Posted: 8/11/2018 11:48:42 PM EDT
Honestly I feel like it's a very good performing LPV for the price point. It's setup for 5.56 or .308 but it's not labeled for yardage so you can use it for whatever caliber you want if you learn the holds or use Strelok Pro. 1-4 is a good magnification range for most general purpose rifles. Daylight bright dot, excellent 1x FOV, and great glass for price range are winning points for sure. It's well known that the turrets are kinda junky feeling. You can get these optics for around $450 pretty commonly. I think one or two people have posted durability issues but you don't see the complaint very much. I think the Leupold VXR Patrol was the only other optic that offered value near it for the price and it the Steiner offers better 1x on the low end.
Link Posted: 8/11/2018 11:59:04 PM EDT
Keep the T-1 (in case you don’t like the Steiner) and try one out. I plan on picking one up for one of maybe AR’s so I can toss my Trijicon TA-11 back on a .308.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 1:20:39 AM EDT
I've had three. Third one never got taken out of the box and went to someone else. First two broke during normal use. Once in a carbine class, another during regular practice at the range. Great warranty, nice glass, good on paper, but mushy turrets and terrible quality control. Want a reliable, not absurdely expensive 1-4? Go Trijicon.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 1:30:25 AM EDT
I love mine and will buy another.
Around 2,500 rounds of 5.56 fired with it, no issues.

The wide FOV and clear glass set it apart from everything else around $500 price point.

Vortex Razor HD 1-6x are dropping in price though, now around $1k. If you can tolerate the weight and value the extra magnification, they are compelling value. Still double the price of the Steiner.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 3:20:10 AM EDT
Don't buy a P4xi, buy a used P4xi... save some cash.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 3:27:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cheekibreeki:
I've had three. Third one never got taken out of the box and went to someone else. First two broke during normal use. Once in a carbine class, another during regular practice at the range. Great warranty, nice glass, good on paper, but mushy turrets and terrible quality control. Want a reliable, not absurdely expensive 1-4? Go Trijicon.
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What broke? The erector?
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:11:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 6:18:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 7:35:48 AM EDT
I always see comments on how awesome the P4xi is but then going on the EE they are everywhere and I was always wondered why.

I personally didn't like the reticle on them either but I guess once you use the ACSS everything else is kinda meh
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 10:23:10 AM EDT
How do these compare to something like the Burris XTR II 1-5?
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 10:24:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WhiteBuffalo:
I've have aimpoints (comp m2, m3, pro and two t-1, currently BACK to a t-1) mini acogs, and LPVOs (all budget level through the years)...

Because I can never leave well enough the hell alone, I'm considering selling the T1 I've got (only have 1 rifle these days, believe it or not) and eyeballing the Steiner...

Tell me I'm crazy.
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Steiner P4Xi
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 11:10:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Evile:
I always see comments on how awesome the P4xi is but then going on the EE they are everywhere and I was always wondered why.

I personally didn't like the reticle on them either but I guess once you use the ACSS everything else is kinda meh
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The Steiner reticle is for a 200yd zero using 62gr moving at 3100 fps, or some such nonsense.

PA has it right with going mils/moa on some of the reticles
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 12:08:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Et2ss:

The Steiner reticle is for a 200yd zero using 62gr moving at 3100 fps, or some such nonsense.

PA has it right with going mils/moa on some of the reticles
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Idk where you got that but here is m855 assuming 2830 FPS. 3100 FPS basically makes all the holdovers work for meters. (327, 443, 553 667 yardages.)Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
Idk where you got that but here is m855 assuming 2830 FPS. 3100 FPS basically makes all the holdovers work for meters. (327, 443, 553 667 yardages.)https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/354072/Screenshot_20180812-080709-638327.JPG
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Got it from their reticle guide

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Link Posted: 8/12/2018 4:14:37 PM EDT
I like most mine just fine, wouldn’t talk you out of it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 8:57:22 PM EDT
Mine has been good to me but I never use that rifle anymore because I prefer my RDS equipped guns. I guess my only complaint is that it's pretty bulky compared to the MROs my other rifles have.
Link Posted: 8/12/2018 9:52:13 PM EDT
The durability issues scare me. I think I'm going with an Accupower 1-4.
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