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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:23:26 AM EDT
Looks interesting...another trigger hitting the market soon - Tactical Fire Control. I'm curious to know how the 3 position safety works on this bad boy

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Link Posted: 11/13/2013 7:38:32 AM EDT
hmmmm. Very interesting!
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:14:02 AM EDT
Shut up and take my money!
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:17:08 AM EDT
Question:

If my current trigger is not broken.......... Should I fix it?
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:23:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HoboHilton:
Question:

If my current trigger is not broken.......... Should I fix it?
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Yes! If that trigger is reliable I'm buying a few. I want some more info, though.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:40:01 AM EDT
I just peed a little.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:48:58 AM EDT
I need a little clarification on what I'm seeing. Is this basically a 4 1/2 lb single stage that can be toggled to something like the geissele sg-3?
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 8:57:58 AM EDT
The video looks like the third stage is a lighter pull with no take up and a really short reset, I'm really interested to learn more about this bad boy. If it winds up being 300 + dollars for a new take on drop in triggers I may lose said interest though.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:00:45 AM EDT
I heard $500 elsewhere, but saw no link or anything concrete. That's way too much in my opinion, but they'll still sell the, I'm sure.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:09:15 AM EDT
I'd pay $300 no problem once I see for sure it won't become an issue with the man. I have no desire to have my toys taken away or any life vacations in really small hotel rooms.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:29:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By drop11:
I'd pay $300 no problem once I see for sure it won't become an issue with the man. I have no desire to have my toys taken away or any life vacations in really small hotel rooms.
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This but if this isn't going to be a problem i'm 100% in
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:30:01 AM EDT
So the old "semi" is a standard nice 4.5 lb trigger ? then the "auto" is a super light trigger for fast shots?

Sounds cool to me.. any word on availability? Will it fit in standard lowers?
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:39:24 AM EDT
Actually from the limited info I've found the reset forces you finger forward. Meaning you keep constant pressure on the trigger and the gun just keeps on shooting. I want it badly but it sure is floating on the boarder of criminal.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:42:45 AM EDT
HA!! sign me up!!
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:43:42 AM EDT
Once we get some firm info on the price point i will be more interested.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:47:19 AM EDT
i would be willing to spend 300, not a cent more...
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:47:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aeneas2020:
Once we get some firm info on the price point i will be more interested.
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I'm with you on that however if it is reliable and works how I think it does and the atf gives it the go ahead I have a feeling a $500 price tag won't stand in my way.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:56:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By drop11:
Actually from the limited info I've found the reset forces you finger forward. Meaning you keep constant pressure on the trigger and the gun just keeps on shooting. I want it badly but it sure is floating on the boarder of criminal.
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So it's like a bump fire trigger, using only the slight recoil of an AR?
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:58:03 AM EDT
Wow three diff topics on the same thing in three diff sections . One here, one in buid it yourself, and one in Rifles,uppers, barrels, and more. Spamming a new product are we?
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:59:48 AM EDT
Not if I understand it correctly. The triggers reset forces you finger forward after each shot. All you have to do is keep squeezing. The recoil has nothing to do with it.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 10:04:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By drop11:
Not if I understand it correctly. The triggers reset forces you finger forward after each shot. All you have to do is keep squeezing. The recoil has nothing to do with it.
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Hmmmm, maybe a spring loaded safety selector? Hence the 3rd setting, rotating the spring loaded section into place.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 10:10:56 AM EDT
just got off the phone with the sales representative, they said they did not anticipate this type of reaction from the public. He stated the price point they are looking at is 495 retail... kinda high, but given how small they are it makes sense considering the demand for the product already. Pre-orders will start dec 1st but they don't yet have a date they will begin shipping as they are still working stuff out with some manufacturers.

The fact that he called me back right away after i emailed him 15 minutes ago says a lot about these guys. I will be watching them closely.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 10:28:01 AM EDT
To me, it doesn't look like the force of your finger holding the trigger back keeps the action going. I noticed that the shooter slowed down near the end on two of the mag dumps. Could muscle fatigue be in play on a very light trigger with a very strong but short reset?

Anyways, I'm still subscribing to this thread to find out what the "tech" is. If it is a variation of a slide fire type action, but localized to the trigger group, I'm in!
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 10:30:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fallout15:
just got off the phone with the sales representative, they said they did not anticipate this type of reaction from the public. He stated the price point they are looking at is 495 retail... kinda high, but given how small they are it makes sense considering the demand for the product already. Pre-orders will start dec 1st but they don't yet have a date they will begin shipping as they are still working stuff out with some manufacturers.

The fact that he called me back right away after i emailed him 15 minutes ago says a lot about these guys. I will be watching them closely.
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If it works in don't know why they wouldn't have expected all the interest. As close to full auto as you can get without a silly stock to boot. What's not to like
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 10:44:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fallout15:
just got off the phone with the sales representative, they said they did not anticipate this type of reaction from the public. He stated the price point they are looking at is 495 retail... kinda high, but given how small they are it makes sense considering the demand for the product already. Pre-orders will start dec 1st but they don't yet have a date they will begin shipping as they are still working stuff out with some manufacturers.

The fact that he called me back right away after i emailed him 15 minutes ago says a lot about these guys. I will be watching them closely.
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495 kind of steep IMO but cool idea in principal I will wait for others to jump on and do testing before I switch. But it is intriguing and finally something new that is kind of a good idea in principal.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 11:13:13 AM EDT
Fallout...when u were in the phone w them...did u ask or did they mention how it works...lots of interest and speculation w this trigger, so I was just curious if they went into specifics????
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 11:44:15 AM EDT
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3 Mode Drop-In Trigger
3rd Mode Has a Positive Reset Characteristic
Semi Auto is a Single-Stage 4 1/2 Pound Pull Rate
Offers Zero Take-Up & No Overtravel
Components are Full EDM & CNC’d in House
Components are Coated with NP3 (Nickel Teflon)
3 Mode Billet Selector Included
BATFE Compliant/Non-NFA
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Thats from their website, to me it sounds like its more than just a "light trigger" being used to bump fire. The third stage appears to be some sort of spring that forces contact with the trigger finger.

I wonder if the BATFE will go back on their approval letter a few months from now, just like they did with that akins accelerator back in 05', especially if it ends up being extremely popular and draws a lot of attention.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 11:57:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 12:05:24 PM EDT
i'll be keen to see if there is any men in dark suits all over this product very quickly. I hope not but oh well. $495 is a little steep for me but maybe if they come down to the $300 or so range i'd be interested.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 12:33:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By poff09:
Fallout...when u were in the phone w them...did u ask or did they mention how it works...lots of interest and speculation w this trigger, so I was just curious if they went into specifics????
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I did not ask, but it is easy enough to contact them... From my understanding the 3rd setting has a spring loaded reset so its almost like a mini slide fire stock. the pressure of your finger sets the firearm off, then the trigger itself pushes your finger back to reset. Just like a slide fire.

I agree we need more info and more videos to prove it works.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 1:07:53 PM EDT
Haven't watched the videos, but based on the comments in this thread it's not my bag for $495, but considering that people pay $350 for the Slidefire stock, and you've gotta have some money to burn if you're going to be blasting that much ammunition bump-firing, I don't think, assuming no legal problems, if it works similarly to the Slidefire, I think that they'll get $495 easy.

I have been interested in a while, however, in a selectable trigger that can go from single stage to two stage, kind of the like the Geissele SSF, but without the automatic fire capability. You could install it in a short-throw design, full ninety degree rotation for single stage - click back to forty-five degrees for a two-stage match trigger pull, or something. ::shrug::

~Augee
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 1:16:38 PM EDT
$495, ouch... They are still going to sell I'm sure, but damn. If they could get that price down to the $250 range I'd be all over it. They'd also probably be backordered for infinity.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 1:41:31 PM EDT
Very interesting. I'm not really into shooting full auto, but if it was closer to the $200 or maybe even $300 I might pick one up for a .22 for fun. Definitely seems like a gray area, but if it is saying BATFE approved..

I wonder if squeezing hard enough would override this "reset" it has, and that is what keeps it legal as 'one bullet per trigger pull' ?

Regardless, pretty nifty - and it doesn't look hideous, add weight and have a 'weird' operation like a slide-fire stock.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 1:58:15 PM EDT
If I have to be picky, I would particularly dislike the trigger itself. Looks very thin and this, though different in application, falls into the same catergory as the slidefire to me....both do what they advertise (so it seems) but both are toys.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 2:34:37 PM EDT
I don't really have the $500 to throw down on this trigger...but I don't really think it's that bad of a price...especially if the 4.5lb single action pull is crisp like some of the other high-end triggers

If u break it down it "kinda" makes sense...
What does ur favorite trigger cost? (Gisselle..timney..Wilson)
Then add slide fire ( if ur into full-auto....and really who's not into full-auto)

Not to mention it's kinda cheap compared to other accessories like high end optics (trijicon..aimpoint..eotech)...and really $500 is nothing when u compare it to a true full-auto that can reach $10,000

I guess it's just different strokes for different folks....I guess we'll have to see what kind of quality it is to make sure
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 2:56:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By poff09:
I don't really have the $500 to throw down on this trigger...but I don't really think it's that bad of a price...especially if the 4.5lb single action pull is crisp like some of the other high-end triggers

If u break it down it "kinda" makes sense...
What does ur favorite trigger cost? (Gisselle..timney..Wilson)
Then add slide fire ( if ur into full-auto....and really who's not into full-auto)

Not to mention it's kinda cheap compared to other accessories like high end optics (trijicon..aimpoint..eotech)...and really $500 is nothing when u compare it to a true full-auto that can reach $10,000

I guess it's just different strokes for different folks....I guess we'll have to see what kind of quality it is to make sure
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I agree with all your points however my hesitancy to throw down $500 is based on the fact that it's a new product, so i have no idea on it's reliability or function (not saying it's bad it's just an unknown at this point).

Secondly until I know 100% that there is no legal issues with these i won't be purchasing one. I'd hate to buy something only to have to hand it in a month or two later.

However if neither of those things are an issue and I happen to have some "fun" money i might consider it.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 4:49:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aeneas2020:


I agree with all your points however my hesitancy to throw down $500 is based on the fact that it's a new product, so i have no idea on it's reliability or function (not saying it's bad it's just an unknown at this point).

Secondly until I know 100% that there is no legal issues with these i won't be purchasing one. I'd hate to buy something only to have to hand it in a month or two later.

However if neither of those things are an issue and I happen to have some "fun" money i might consider it.
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Originally Posted By poff09:
I don't really have the $500 to throw down on this trigger...but I don't really think it's that bad of a price...especially if the 4.5lb single action pull is crisp like some of the other high-end triggers

If u break it down it "kinda" makes sense...
What does ur favorite trigger cost? (Gisselle..timney..Wilson)
Then add slide fire ( if ur into full-auto....and really who's not into full-auto)

Not to mention it's kinda cheap compared to other accessories like high end optics (trijicon..aimpoint..eotech)...and really $500 is nothing when u compare it to a true full-auto that can reach $10,000

I guess it's just different strokes for different folks....I guess we'll have to see what kind of quality it is to make sure


I agree with all your points however my hesitancy to throw down $500 is based on the fact that it's a new product, so i have no idea on it's reliability or function (not saying it's bad it's just an unknown at this point).

Secondly until I know 100% that there is no legal issues with these i won't be purchasing one. I'd hate to buy something only to have to hand it in a month or two later.

However if neither of those things are an issue and I happen to have some "fun" money i might consider it.

The price is decent, just to have a full auto weapon transferred is $200 plus the fact that u can just drop the trigger in or out of any ar15 is cool. The legal aspect worries me, If this trigger becomes popular and draws a gear deal of attention, in particular political attention I can see the batf being forced by the anti gun crowd to do something about it.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 5:31:37 PM EDT
I like the selectable trigger part, but not the bump fire part.

Guys who have the cash to bump fire at berms all day with their friends, will easily buy this for $500.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 6:25:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spartikis:

The price is decent, just to have a full auto weapon transferred is $200 plus the fact that u can just drop the trigger in or out of any ar15 is cool. The legal aspect worries me, If this trigger becomes popular and draws a gear deal of attention, in particular political attention I can see the batf being forced by the anti gun crowd to do something about it.
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Originally Posted By Aeneas2020:
Originally Posted By poff09:
I don't really have the $500 to throw down on this trigger...but I don't really think it's that bad of a price...especially if the 4.5lb single action pull is crisp like some of the other high-end triggers

If u break it down it "kinda" makes sense...
What does ur favorite trigger cost? (Gisselle..timney..Wilson)
Then add slide fire ( if ur into full-auto....and really who's not into full-auto)

Not to mention it's kinda cheap compared to other accessories like high end optics (trijicon..aimpoint..eotech)...and really $500 is nothing when u compare it to a true full-auto that can reach $10,000

I guess it's just different strokes for different folks....I guess we'll have to see what kind of quality it is to make sure


I agree with all your points however my hesitancy to throw down $500 is based on the fact that it's a new product, so i have no idea on it's reliability or function (not saying it's bad it's just an unknown at this point).

Secondly until I know 100% that there is no legal issues with these i won't be purchasing one. I'd hate to buy something only to have to hand it in a month or two later.

However if neither of those things are an issue and I happen to have some "fun" money i might consider it.

The price is decent, just to have a full auto weapon transferred is $200 plus the fact that u can just drop the trigger in or out of any ar15 is cool. The legal aspect worries me, If this trigger becomes popular and draws a gear deal of attention, in particular political attention I can see the batf being forced by the anti gun crowd to do something about it.



if the price is truly going to be around $500 bucks, I wouldn't be to worried about it becoming overly popular. Most people outside of this forum only spend around $700 on their bushmaster to start with. However, we still aren't even sure how this thing works, so we might be getting all excited for nothing.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 6:28:52 PM EDT
If you work in a field that requires or allows the use of an AR platform I could see the benefit in using this is training in the use of suppressive fire. (However unlikely the scenario requiring it would be, it doesn't hurt to train for it.)
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 6:42:04 PM EDT
In the video the trigger equipped AR looks more controllable than the slidefire stock. As far as a $500 price tag... I think that the price of the trigger will pale in comparison to your new ammo bill.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 7:26:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Brutus2:
In the video the trigger equipped AR looks more controllable than the slidefire stock. As far as a $500 price tag... I think that the price of the trigger will pale in comparison to your new ammo bill.
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No kidding, I would have to make sure I got a rifle that like wolf steel ammo. Although it doesn't shoot as fast as a full auto m16/m4, maybe half the cycle rate, but I've only got one 2 min long video to base that on. It doesn't appear to have any control or accuracy issues like the slide fire does.
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 7:36:11 PM EDT
I'd buy one if a little cheaper
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:17:40 PM EDT
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in
Link Posted: 11/13/2013 9:24:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deuc224:
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in
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Link Posted: 11/14/2013 12:33:29 AM EDT
This would certainly be a nice thing to have for hog extermination.
Link Posted: 11/14/2013 12:34:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By deuc224:
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in
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yup...I hope just hope its durable
Link Posted: 11/14/2013 4:11:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By deuc224:
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in
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lol...we'll see Richie Rich...

$500 for just a trigger is tough to pull the trigger on for ALLLLLLOT of people, even those of us with fat wallets. I'm very happy with my KAC and JP triggers but will buy this IF CHEAPER. I can buy a complete upper for $500, decent glass, and there are plenty of other triggers out there that people are perfectly happy with that won't demand they spend that much on a trigger.

When this goes live, it will be interesting to see the sales in month 3+
Link Posted: 11/14/2013 4:12:13 AM EDT
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yup...I hope just hope its durable
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Originally Posted By deuc224:
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in

yup...I hope just hope its durable



I'll comment on the durable part;

agree, no doubt many people will wait to see the reviews, testing and commentary.
Link Posted: 11/14/2013 4:24:12 AM EDT
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lol...we'll see Richie Rich...

$500 for just a trigger is tough to pull the trigger on for ALLLLLLOT of people, even those of us with fat wallets. I'm very happy with my KAC and JP triggers but will buy this IF CHEAPER. I can buy a complete upper for $500, decent glass, and there are plenty of other triggers out there that people are perfectly happy with that won't demand they spend that much on a trigger.

When this goes live, it will be interesting to see the sales in month 3+
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Originally Posted By deuc224:
Everyone on here who says 500 is steep is kidding themselves, as soon as the ATF says go ahead, you all will grab one. Im not even gonna lie, ill preorder one as soon as i can. they will just serialize them like they did the lightning link until they can get the guys to stop making em. Fuk it, im all in



lol...we'll see Richie Rich...

$500 for just a trigger is tough to pull the trigger on for ALLLLLLOT of people, even those of us with fat wallets. I'm very happy with my KAC and JP triggers but will buy this IF CHEAPER. I can buy a complete upper for $500, decent glass, and there are plenty of other triggers out there that people are perfectly happy with that won't demand they spend that much on a trigger.

When this goes live, it will be interesting to see the sales in month 3+


I always found it ironic that a guy would complain about not being able to afford a class 3 full auto M4 rifle, but in the next thread he would show a pic of his gun safe full of 20+ Ar15 rifles...its like hey dude, sell HALF of your collection and you could easily afford a full auto, quality vs quantity i suppose. I think this trigger is the same thing but on a cheaper scale. I would much rather have one Ar15 with this $500 trigger than two AR15s with regular semi auto triggers. You can only shoot one rifle at a time, plus with it being a select fire capable i feel it puts it a level above options like the lightning link.
Link Posted: 11/14/2013 4:44:35 AM EDT
Complete 14.5" w/ pinned flash hider and the trigger group is $2700...

http://www.kearms.com/rifle-select-fire-black-14in
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