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Posted: 4/8/2008 10:32:55 PM EDT
Does anybody have one? like it/ dislike it? if so, why. how well does it work with the BDM mags, and does it work with full auto?
Link Posted: 4/15/2008 3:02:59 PM EDT
Mine is on order, but from what Angela says its outrageous. And there might be an upgrade very soon to the upper. STAY TUNED
Link Posted: 4/15/2008 4:01:40 PM EDT
Here is the lower for it- Ready to ROCK check out the caliber markings "Multi"





Link Posted: 4/15/2008 4:08:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2008 11:45:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/28/2008 12:29:23 AM EDT

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Our new uppers and bolts run GREAT.


I cant wait!!
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 2:33:06 PM EDT
Hey badazzar15 i ordered a 22 Upper 3-4 weeks ago and sent payment, do you know how much longer till i get it...

thanks
Juan

Link Posted: 4/29/2008 2:40:33 PM EDT
Their old barrels were teh suck.
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 2:41:49 PM EDT

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Hey badazzar15 i ordered a 22 Upper 3-4 weeks ago and sent payment, do you know how much longer till i get it...

thanks
Juan



Last time I talked to Angela, she said it was 6 weeks. Thats when I ordered mine. But that was 3 weeks ago. Things might have changed
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 9:33:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 10:19:37 PM EDT

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Their old barrels were teh suck.



We had a few bad ones out there, but we were more than happy to replace them, and if there is any still out there we would be more than happy to exchange them as well.



you should really not come here talking like that...
you know we have this problem with these rifles....

its like havin an open bar at an AA meeting

now im going to have to buy one

damn fooled again
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 10:21:10 PM EDT
Man this is tough.. I'm down to one of these, or a GSG-5.. I've literally had my credit card out TWICE on ST's web site, and backed off. What's changing with the uppers?
Link Posted: 4/29/2008 11:32:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2008 12:48:38 AM EDT
I know your still working on getting the uppers out, im not asking for a specific date, but what kinda time estimate do you think would be in the ball park for when the bolt kits will be available?
Link Posted: 4/30/2008 8:37:22 AM EDT
how much more cost for the lothar walther barrels?
Link Posted: 4/30/2008 9:07:15 AM EDT

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We had a bad batch of barrels along time ago that was missed by our QC. The Accuracy was terrible on some of them. That Isn't likely to happen again Now that Spike has upped his staff and has me doing the 22's. Everything will also be test fired before it leaves our shop. The bolts are going to be ALOT Nicer than the Converted Ceiner bolt was. Ive got 2 of my own personal uppers now, both have Shaw barrels, one has a Mod. Ceiner bolt and the other has our Prototype bolt bewteen the 2 uppers Ive got close to 15k on them with ZERO Issue running BDM mags. and the little 6" barrel is Very accurate for its length. We are also going to offer Lothar Walther Chromoly barrels too but those are about 2 months out still.

[email protected]'s Tactical


So Tom,
What kind of accuracy are you talking about for the bad ones.  I've got a Spike's barrel that I've shot a dozen different .22s through and the best I've been able to get is 1"@25 yards.
I installed a Model 1 Sales pencil barrel in the same rifle with an unmodified Ciener unit and I can get 3/4" groups.  This barrel shooting .223 will put 5 shots in one hole at that distance.
Link Posted: 4/30/2008 9:50:13 AM EDT
3rd replacement barrel is on the way from Spike's.
Link Posted: 4/30/2008 10:26:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2008 7:19:49 PM EDT
hmmm
Link Posted: 5/1/2008 7:27:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2008 8:40:14 PM EDT

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Ive got the same upper as yours Instock, Send yours back and Ill replace it, The new one will also have a FSB Installed.

Sorry about all the Issues you had. The new uppers won't have the issues our old stuff had, It was a learning expirence and we won't allow it to happen again.

[email protected]'s Tactical


I may take you up on that. IM sent.
Link Posted: 5/1/2008 8:56:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2008 9:45:48 AM EDT

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Ive got the same upper as yours Instock, Send yours back and Ill replace it, The new one will also have a FSB Installed.

Sorry about all the Issues you had. The new uppers won't have the issues our old stuff had, It was a learning expirence and we won't allow it to happen again.

[email protected]'s Tactical


I may take you up on that. IM sent.


I would love for you to take me up on the offer as I don't like reading post like this.

[email protected]'s Tactical


+1 For Tom.  Spikes has the best customer service I have ever dealt with.
Link Posted: 5/2/2008 9:48:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 5:35:14 AM EDT
any chance for pics of the spikes girls?
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 7:51:18 AM EDT

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The first Spike's barrel I received from them would foul horribly and start printing bullets sideways at 10 yards within 5-10 rounds. My gunsmith gauged it with pin gauges and found two very tight spots in the bore. I sent it back to Spikes and they replaced it. However I was out the cost of having a FSB installed.

The second barrel gauged fine and the best accuracy I have achieved is about 3 inches at 50 yards. However, the extractor cut was shallow and it chipped at the chamber. My gunsmith cleaned it up and it seems to be running OK. Just not impressed with the accuracy. I could have sent it back but then would be out the cost of having two FSB's and taper pins installed and be left with no barrel.

The machining and chambers on both barrels was/is very rough. Not impressed with Spike's quality.

This is what the second barrel looks like after being chipped by the extractor. You can see how rough the chamber is.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/innocent_bystander/Spikesbarrel-1.jpg

This is the complete rifle. The steps in their M4 profile barrel are not to spec. The handguard cap can rattle about 1/2" between the FSB and the step in the profile. Not a big deal once the handguards are installed.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/innocent_bystander/M422LR.jpg



Ive got the same upper as yours Instock, Send yours back and Ill replace it, The new one will also have a FSB Installed.

Sorry about all the Issues you had. The new uppers won't have the issues our old stuff had, It was a learning expirence and we won't allow it to happen again.

[email protected]'s Tactical


That is some great customer service from a dealer!!!! I wish I had went with Spikes instead of Model 1 for my 22 upper.

Keep up the good work!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 9:31:19 AM EDT

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That is some great customer service from a dealer!!!! I wish I had went with Spikes instead of Model 1 for my 22 upper.

Keep up the good work!!!!!


I sent my upper back to Tom on Saturday. He is going to replace my upper and barrel with one from Model 1 Sales and use the existing Ciener kit. As soon as I get it back I'll update everyone.
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 6:39:35 PM EDT
I'd love to try a .22 dedicated upper, but the price has kept me away.
Moon
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 6:57:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2008 7:25:31 PM EDT

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I'd love to try a .22 dedicated upper, but the price has kept me away.
Moon


They pay for themselves very very quickly

$365 for a case of .223 gets you ~6000 rounds of .22lr.


Alot more than that.  Think I spent $88 a couple months ago for 3K of 22 and a bottle of shampoo at wallyworld.

At $12 for fed bulk 550 packs at wally world, you can get about 16,500 rounds of 22lr for $360.

Hmmmm, maybe I oughta look into one o dees kit thingys.

How much does the 22 conversion kit run for?
Link Posted: 5/6/2008 6:15:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 11:24:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 10:27:53 AM EDT

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Did you get the New upper yet? Please keep me updated as to how it shoots.

[email protected]'s Tactical


UPS tracking says it will be here tomorrow. I'll get out and shoot it next weekend.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:22:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:55:53 PM EDT
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You have to run jacketed bullets in it, no lead bullets will function through mine. Not a real biggie they are still very cheap.


So, you can't shoot standard unjacketed lead .22LR with the new M4 .22LR upper?  I was planning on using it at our club's indoor range, but you can only use sub-sonic unjacketed rounds.  Please Tom, tell me in aint so.

John
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 11:11:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 6:05:40 PM EDT
Received the new upper from Tom today.

The new Model 1 Sales barrel is very nice. Has all the correct M4 dimensions. Bore and chamber look good. I'll get out and shoot it this weekend.



Link Posted: 5/12/2008 6:37:26 PM EDT
does the upper come with a bdm mag included?
Link Posted: 5/18/2008 11:42:53 AM EDT
Thanks again Tom!

Spikes is back on my recommended vendors list.


Upper ran great today. Was shooting 10 shot groups of about 1 inch at 25 yards with cheap ammo.

Only malfunctions were with a couple of new full profile BDM magazine I had not yet made the feedlip modification on (fired brass will sometimes hit the feedlips before the ejector). All the BDM mags with modified feedlips ran perfect.
Link Posted: 5/18/2008 11:55:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 6:45:59 AM EDT
hey Tom, does the upper include a BDM?
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 7:26:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 11:51:41 AM EDT
I missed you guys at the last Ft. Myres gun show. I see you are going to be back there in late June. Do you think you will be bringing any of the uppers with you?

Oh, and mags too....
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 3:06:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 4:45:00 PM EDT
I'm waiting on the Spike's conversion bolt to use in my current uppers.
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 7:30:09 PM EDT
What's the deal with the BDM Feedlip Mod? Can't wait to get my upper......ordered 2/6 and still waiting :(
Link Posted: 5/19/2008 7:46:27 PM EDT
I say NO! Please no! Not that they are bad or don't run... it's just this. For the same money you can buy and trick out a 10/22. You end up with a whole nother gun!!! Not just more parts.

Pretend SHTF.... you are quietly hunting small game for supper with your AR/.22 upper. Zombies want your squirles... you have a .22LR in your hands, you transiion to your pistol.


or

You are quietly hunting small game for supper with your 10/22. Zombies want your squirles... you  drop the .22LR in your hands, you transiion to your .223 AR slung over your shoulder.

or

Same  money... 2 guns. You can loan one to another family member
Link Posted: 5/20/2008 5:10:20 AM EDT
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I say NO! Please no! Not that they are bad or don't run... it's just this. For the same money you can buy and trick out a 10/22. You end up with a whole nother gun!!! Not just more parts.

Pretend SHTF.... you are quietly hunting small game for supper with your AR/.22 upper. Zombies want your squirles... you have a .22LR in your hands, you transiion to your pistol.


or

You are quietly hunting small game for supper with your 10/22. Zombies want your squirles... you  drop the .22LR in your hands, you transiion to your .223 AR slung over your shoulder.

or

Same  money... 2 guns. her


Good point, however I believe you will find that most folks who are looking at this want it as justa fun toy and not something for SHTF.  
Link Posted: 5/20/2008 5:22:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2008 5:27:47 AM EDT

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What's the deal with the BDM Feedlip Mod?


More like what's the deal with BDM mags?  Anybody else notice how awkward they are to insert into the magwell?  The curve is a little "off" and I'm certain it needs to be this way to work but it's going to be interesting trying to do quick mag changes.

Link Posted: 5/20/2008 5:40:03 AM EDT

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I'm waiting on the Spike's conversion bolt to use in my current uppers.



 Is the Spikes conversion bolt  like the Ciener conversion kit?
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