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Posted: 1/7/2006 3:01:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dog1]
I built these, the SP1 this summer and the XM/CAR15 this fall.
My Stickman attempt at photography 
I got the bug to build a retro rifle because of the posts here. I was lucky to already have a Colt slabside lower and BCG. I found a Colt SP1 upper on the EE for a mere $200, new never used. That started a spiral that made me build a XM177/CAR-15 type carbine. I soon realized that I knew next to nothing about the old ones. I posted and read and researched. While there is no current source for real A1 lowers, we have to make due with what we have. So after the SP1, I started the search for XM177/CAR-15 parts...These led me to- Sherluk Some of the best A1 parts I have found. They are excellent in service, with me getting my parts in 2 days or less. I got the barrel assembly and small parts from them. I got the buttstock and the A1 upper off of the EE for $125 combined. The lower is a RRA lower I bought from a friend. I also have gotten A1 parts from Brownell's I get the discount, so that helps lower the cost of the builds. DPMS has A1 parts and 16" lightweight barrels- DPMS The XM177 will get a total refinish in Norrell's Colt Gray-Black-Norrell's Superlight barrels and XM lookalike non-NFA modulators Bushmaster Info supplied by members here- Ekie's M16 series guide uxb's Armson OEG thread Xm177 build thread But, no retro build is complete with out the little things that make it feel like a retro rifle. I have gotten the Viet Nam surplus, helmet-with the proper Mitchell cover-, pouches, suspenders, new-unissued A1 pistol grips and slings, from- Moore Militaria Omaha's Army navy Surplus The above vendors, I have all bought from and recieved excellent service. These are the links I know, if anyone else has info, please post it. The below vendors I have not delt with, but are similar to the above vendors- Old Sarge's Drop Zone U.S. Collectors Ordnance |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2006 3:37:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Bump for nice looking rifles.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2006 3:51:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Nice!
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Posted: 1/7/2006 4:01:08 PM EDT
[#3]
is that considerd a Commando barrel?
I didn't see a listing on the site for a XM177 |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2006 4:03:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Good job.
Max |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 4:06:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Very nice AR's. Nice B&W photography.
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Posted: 1/7/2006 4:07:01 PM EDT
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Yes this is a Commando barrel...the closest I could get to one.. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 4:30:57 PM EDT
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here's my upper and lower that i refinished in norells that will be used in my xm177build
 i just sent off my .625 bbl. to adco to have one of total silence's non-nfa xm moderators attatched. like dog1 i too was sucked into the "retro" rifles through the threads posted here. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 5:01:14 PM EDT
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Are you getting one of Tom's slabside carriers? I am for my SP1.... |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 5:07:33 PM EDT
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major taggage! I have a A1 receiver, and barrel, and am working on the rest.....good pics BTW!!
 jj
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2006 5:12:46 PM EDT
[#10]
 Major coolness, bro! Love the old Model 601 rifle look. Excellent work.
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:04:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks to all....
If anyone has more links or info, please post.... It would be nice to build a data base of parts for retro builds... |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:07:01 PM EDT
[#12]
That is so cool!
I love old school stuff like that. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:07:42 PM EDT
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i was lucky to find an original parked colt slabside carrier through one of the members here.  i did get the non-nfa xm moderator, grenade ring and triangle charging handle from tom though
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:10:07 PM EDT
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I know you got that one carrier...I thought that was for another build... I could spend so much money with Tom.....I would be outa of a marriage and a house 
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:13:37 PM EDT
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uxb's xm177 build thread
uxb's O,E.G. thread also i used a bushmaster .625 bbl. for my build which i got from gds_enterprise sending it all to adcofirearms for proper gas port enlargment and legally attatching the moderator. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:15:57 PM EDT
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Good looking rifles Dog1! Congrats! [bere]
Great idea on the black and white pic and the gear. Makes for a really nice picture. I have one more retro to build. An M16a1-clone, and I got the kit from CDNN already. Got the M16 and XM177 clones. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:17:56 PM EDT
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Those are SWEET!
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:41:13 PM EDT
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hey dog1, could you post pics of the ts carriers themselve? considered them before i found mine and will probably need another for my next build.
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Posted: 1/7/2006 6:49:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
[#19]
Cool rifles and nice pic. I love the slabside look.
 ETA: Never mind - saw the answer in another thread
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Posted: 1/7/2006 7:03:48 PM EDT
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GREAT work on the lower of the 601.....the Auo Sear detailing and the dimpling in the selector are SWEEEEEET!!!! GREAT JOB!!! |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 7:14:11 PM EDT
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Here it is from TS's website...  My payment is going out on Monday for one... I'll post a better pic in this thread when I get it...uxb told me that he thinks that TS's carriers are Smith Enterprise carriers. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 9:56:45 PM EDT
[#22]
Bumpage for the night crew..
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Posted: 1/7/2006 10:26:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Those weapons and picture have been given the highly coveted Stick seal of approval. Nicely done with the details. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 10:40:11 PM EDT
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Thank you for the inspiration! I'm still not worthy...  ...but I'm still going to try!! |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 10:51:13 PM EDT
[#25]
They look nice!!!
Is the XM177 an A2 lower....kinda hard to tell, but I assume so as it is a RRA. I too am working on a Retro, but with SBR and all, it will take quite a long time...... |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 10:54:25 PM EDT
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Yep it's an A2...I have kicked around the ideal of removing the fence, but I'm still on the "fence" if I really want to try that... Oh and yes..it's a RRA lower and a PWA upper.. |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 11:11:40 PM EDT
[#27]
man all I need for my wanna-be A1 is the right pistol grip...
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Posted: 1/7/2006 11:27:06 PM EDT
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Those are beautiful, Dog1
Great attention to detail and authenticity. I have seen more incredible throw-back iterations here than I thought possible. You guys are good! |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:34:36 AM EDT
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Go here- Moore Militaria He's good people..on thing-He has a minimum $15 order..he's a one man operation. Get a grip and one of his original issue slings..that will be $15..they are really nice for surplus. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:35:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Thanks Red!! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/8/2006 10:15:23 AM EDT
[#31]
Anyone have a link to this place. It didn't google. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:45:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dog1]
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:26:35 PM EDT
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tag
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USA
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:31:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:35:45 PM EDT
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I just gave one away to a board member, but I guess that isn't helping you much..... On a brighter note, they are usually available for around $5 from most places. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:41:33 PM EDT
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here's a guy selling one |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 9:14:48 PM EDT
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I still have some parts in a box somewhere that might still have a A1 grip...give me some time find it and if I do, you can have it for free... |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:51:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Snaps]
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coolness. I was just about to order some stuff from that first link.. but i can hang on for a little while
thankya sir... but i don't think i'll break the bank... Just one reason I love this kinda thing over the new fangled bells and whistles guns. I cna do it much cheaper and still have fun |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:06:32 AM EDT
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We just moved a month ago...I have to start jockying boxes around in the basement before the contrator starts on the finsihing of the basement. So I should find it during moving boxes...I hope!
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Posted: 1/9/2006 9:12:29 AM EDT
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+1 for MM... he didn't hit me for the minimum order, but then I bought two A1 grips. The ones I got looked almost new. Time for another Retro Thread! |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 9:42:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dog1]
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I asked him if he had a minimum..he said that he prefers to keep an order at $15..but that didn't matter in my case..I was ordering $50 worth of stuff... |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 9:48:03 AM EDT
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I went to the gun show on Sunday and found a guy selling old Military M16A1 Uppers, complete with bolt Assy. and charging Handle for $350. Damn! I was broke that day and couldn't pick one up.
 Drop a lower on it and a solid stock and I would have an AR-15 rifle reminiscent of the M16A1 I carried when in my early Army days. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 12:28:34 PM EDT
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Who made the uppers? That's not a bad deal, if they are not worn out, for a complete upper.. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 12:43:41 PM EDT
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now that's a nice pic
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:14:54 PM EDT
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you can get similar from cdnn |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:16:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:34:46 PM EDT
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does the complete furniture kit come with the Kit from CDNN, including the buttstock, A1 grip? I heard fromm someone that it did,, but I'm not sure? |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:39:14 PM EDT
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At one time CDNN was offering a free buttstock and pistol grip with a upper, but that may have changed. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:45:24 PM EDT
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A bump with new info added in the original post.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:58:32 PM EDT
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Another link would be:
www.oldsargesdropzone.com He has a lot of the original stuff. 3-prong FH, bandoleer kits, etc. I've not purchased from him personally but I have heard and read some positive stuff. Great pics, hopefully I'll have some of my own to post pretty soon! Regards, PatG. |
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