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Posted: 8/18/2006 12:57:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2006 12:57:28 PM EDT by M700-308]
Lucky to have a copy of the above listed book copywrited in 1969. Vintage book with a lot of good retro-stuff in it. Here are a couple of pics taken from the book. Enjoy




Link Posted: 8/18/2006 12:57:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2006 1:00:14 PM EDT by M700-308]
Link Posted: 8/18/2006 1:02:11 PM EDT
Can't tell if this is a fake or reprint but it's still pretty cool

Link Posted: 8/18/2006 1:47:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M700-308:
Can't tell if this is a fake or reprint but it's still pretty cool

img332.imageshack.us/img332/519/draftdo5.jpg


I think it's a reprint of the original, but if it's as old as mine, it's almost as old as the original I've had mine since about 1977
Link Posted: 8/18/2006 3:55:19 PM EDT
Can you make out the SN on that 607?
Link Posted: 8/18/2006 4:08:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2006 4:09:20 PM EDT by FITTER]

Originally Posted By ranchhand:
Can you make out the SN on that 607?


NO.

Link Posted: 8/20/2006 7:34:14 AM EDT
My dad has that book too. Hmmm ... I wonder where he put it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 8:11:25 AM EDT
Wow, first really good pic I have seen of the LMG belt fed version of the M16. That rocks!
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 8:30:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Wow, first really good pic I have seen of the LMG belt fed version of the M16. That rocks!


Almost, Dawg... but look again; it's an AR-10.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 8:42:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FITTER:

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Wow, first really good pic I have seen of the LMG belt fed version of the M16. That rocks!


Almost, Dawg... but look again; it's an AR-10.


Doh!

But that is doubly cool, as I never have even heard of a belt fed AR10!

Might have to see if I can find a copy of that book somehwere (I have the 1989 11th edition) or see if the librarian g/f can get me an interlibrary loan copy.

She did at one point managed to interlibrary loan a copy of Chinn's "The Machine Gun" for me, which was an amazing book.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:08:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Might have to see if I can find a copy of that book somehwere (I have the 1989 11th edition) or see if the librarian g/f can get me an interlibrary loan copy.


Mine is the 10th edition. I'm surprised that they took out all the cool stuff when they made the 11th.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:16:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FITTER:

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Might have to see if I can find a copy of that book somehwere (I have the 1989 11th edition) or see if the librarian g/f can get me an interlibrary loan copy.


Mine is the 10th edition. I'm surprised that they took out all the cool stuff when they made the 11th.


They only have so much room, and the 89 edition has a huge section in the front on weapons developments. The AR10 LMG was never adopted, so that is probably why it got nixed for space.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:39:46 AM EDT
Wow, very cool!

Ima pretty sharp stick, but I have no idea how they packed all that belt feed mechanism into an upper that pretty much resembles an original upper (on the AR-10 LMG)

I don't see how you'd have room for a feed pawl, and all the associated stuff in a belt fed. Does anyone have pictures of a belt fed M16 or AR10 thats stripped down??

That thing is downright compact compared to the SHRIKE.


JP

P.S. THANKS for posting the pics!!
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 11:16:44 AM EDT
Not mine......but oh so nice.....

Link Posted: 8/20/2006 12:14:53 PM EDT
I wonder if you could find the old Colt patents (either the original AR-10 one by Stoner or the AR-15 one by Rob Roy) for those systems.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 12:20:18 PM EDT
Glad you guys like the pics. Some good stoner 63 pics in the book also. Never saw a Belt fed AR10 and figured i'd sneak in the pic and see if anyone else noticed it. Wonder if it's ok to discuss it in this forum.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 1:43:45 PM EDT
I wonder if someone knows the patent # for the belt fed upper? I really don't get how it can all be packed into that small almost non modified upper... :D


J
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 1:50:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2006 1:53:36 PM EDT by JPglee1]
I think I found the patent, but I can't view the pics...can someone capture the bolt/feed/receiver pics and post them as a JPG?


Patent # 03035495


J
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 2:04:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Villafuego:
Not mine......but oh so nice.....
img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/right_close.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/villafuego/shooting3.jpg


Before anyone goes hog wild nouts about taht picture thinking it is the Colt version of teh belt fed M16, that is actually one of a dozen or so belt fed M16's that Jonathon Arthur Ciener made back in the 1970's IIRC. He said they were too finicky and time consuming to be a production item.

Link Posted: 8/20/2006 2:05:24 PM EDT


Link Posted: 8/20/2006 3:17:35 PM EDT
Thanks... still complicated, but I sorta get it...


J
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 4:30:02 PM EDT
Let me get this straight. That patent is for a belt-feed mechanism that drops in to a slightly modified AR-10 or AR-15, and without the mechanism the rifle can feed from a magazine?
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 5:27:58 PM EDT
I'm not sure it could feed from normal magazines if you took the feed mechanism out. I'm not sure how much the upper was modified. However, the nature of the conversion should allow it to have used any standard AR-10 lower.
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 6:04:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2006 6:04:41 PM EDT by M700-308]

Originally Posted By Fatbert:
Let me get this straight. That patent is for a belt-feed mechanism that drops in to a slightly modified AR-10 or AR-15, and without the mechanism the rifle can feed from a magazine?


Yep. That's what Stoner claims in the Patent
Link Posted: 8/21/2006 1:35:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M700-308:

Originally Posted By Fatbert:
Let me get this straight. That patent is for a belt-feed mechanism that drops in to a slightly modified AR-10 or AR-15, and without the mechanism the rifle can feed from a magazine?


Yep. That's what Stoner claims in the Patent


That's really cool. Stoner had quite a few ingenious designs.
Link Posted: 8/21/2006 2:20:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2006 2:23:58 PM EDT by coltshorty14]
Just in case anyone is ga-ga over the Ciener version, there is one on GB right now, bidding starts at $7000 with a reserve.. BTW Not my auction, if it was, it would not be for sale..




www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=54370457
Link Posted: 8/21/2006 5:13:31 PM EDT
I have to say I think it looks better in a retro A1 HBAR setup than it does like that with the rail handguard and lightweight bipod.
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