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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:48:48 AM EST
I bought myself a .300 blackout "pistol" with a 8.5" barrel and a sig brace on back. Honestly my full intension was to shoulder it, which was a fine a few weeks ago and now made illegal.
I need some help with what forms to fill out to turn my "pistol" into a short barreled rifle. I got the $200 needed for the tax stamp and I think I need to fill out ATF form 1 and form 4. Can someone correct me if I need it and/or guide me into the right direction to get a SBR tax stamp so I can legally shoulder my AR?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:56:55 AM EST
You only do the Form 1. Your lower will also need to be engraved with your name, city, and state.
More info is in the NFA section.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:13:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Roscoe1018:
I bought myself a .300 blackout "pistol" with a 8.5" barrel and a sig brace on back. Honestly my full intension was to shoulder it, which was a fine a few weeks ago and now made illegal.
I need some help with what forms to fill out to turn my "pistol" into a short barreled rifle. I got the $200 needed for the tax stamp and I think I need to fill out ATF form 1 and form 4. Can someone correct me if I need it and/or guide me into the right direction to get a SBR tax stamp so I can legally shoulder my AR?
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So technically you are in possession of a short-barreled rifle at the moment since your "intent" was to shoulder it.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:17:23 PM EST
Thanks
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:43:01 PM EST
It was never ok, you committed a felony simply by shouldering it. The atf said from the beginning that it's only legal to use it as a stabilizer
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:01:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
More info is in the NFA section.
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Can't seem to find that section. Blind I guess. Can you point me in the right direction?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:18:25 PM EST
Roscoe,

hit the ARMORY tab near the top of the page, scroll down and you'll see the entire NFA/Class 3 section and sub forums. Might be a good idea to be more careful with wording in public forums
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:33:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Anarchistchiken:
It was never ok, you committed a felony simply by shouldering it. The atf said from the beginning that it's only legal to use it as a stabilizer
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Thats not true. They said from the beginning that its okay to shoulder it as the intent was to be a brace - misuse doesn't determine intent. Apparently they decided that's not the case.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 5:01:48 PM EST
Read the most recent letter stating all previous letters are void and merely shoulding it makes it an illegal SBR regardless of one's intent when it was built.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 5:09:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Anarchistchiken:
It was never ok, you committed a felony simply by shouldering it. The atf said from the beginning that it's only legal to use it as a stabilizer
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Massive fail please nobody listen to this post.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 5:22:21 PM EST
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Massive fail please nobody listen to this post.
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Originally Posted By bigtex84:
Originally Posted By Anarchistchiken:
It was never ok, you committed a felony simply by shouldering it. The atf said from the beginning that it's only legal to use it as a stabilizer


Massive fail please nobody listen to this post.


Yep. AnarchistChickenRunningAroundWithHeadCutOff.

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Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:39:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Anarchistchiken:
It was never ok, you committed a felony simply by shouldering it. The atf said from the beginning that it's only legal to use it as a stabilizer
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Wrong, incorrect, fail. etc.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:04:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bulletz4breakfast:


So technically you are in possession of a short-barreled rifle at the moment since your "intent" was to shoulder it.
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Originally Posted By Bulletz4breakfast:
Originally Posted By Roscoe1018:
I bought myself a .300 blackout "pistol" with a 8.5" barrel and a sig brace on back. Honestly my full intension was to shoulder it, which was a fine a few weeks ago and now made illegal.
I need some help with what forms to fill out to turn my "pistol" into a short barreled rifle. I got the $200 needed for the tax stamp and I think I need to fill out ATF form 1 and form 4. Can someone correct me if I need it and/or guide me into the right direction to get a SBR tax stamp so I can legally shoulder my AR?


So technically you are in possession of a short-barreled rifle at the moment since your "intent" was to shoulder it.


Have fun in prison.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:31:52 PM EST
"Well technically this and that and you are a criminal, blah blah" shut the fuck up. Im sure you all are just perfect human beings.

Goodluck OP, wish I lived in a state that allowed SBR's.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:10:04 PM EST
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Somebody is going to do this, and to do it the ATF has to accept the Brace as a stock. But, it's not. it's a brace.

It's going to be interesting.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:14:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By tirod:
Somebody is going to do this, and to do it the ATF has to accept the Brace as a stock. But, it's not. it's a brace.

It's going to be interesting.
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I don't think anything is going to be interesting. I think at the end of the day, all of this BS over the brace (which I own one) is going to fizzle out and in a decade we'll be laughing about how stupid we all were here about it.

YMMV.

I think, all this has done is just corrected the price of the SB15.

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 11:12:44 AM EST
This is good. Someone needs to get arrested and fight it out in court...
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 1:39:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
You only do the Form 1. Your lower will also need to be engraved with your name, city, and state.
More info is in the NFA section.
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"your" name isn't exactaly correct. It will need to have the name of the trust, if you are filing for the stamp with your trust.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:28:05 PM EST
Not sure I understand the trust. Is it needed? If not, whats the difference?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 11:40:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bearcat24:
Not sure I understand the trust. Is it needed? If not, whats the difference?
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A significant one is that with a trust you can get a Form approved by Efile in less than a month.

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