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Posted: 12/7/2005 6:01:45 PM EDT
I got this off of another board. Its pretty interesting and I think a professional comparison of the Sig v. M4 from the standpoint of the user. For all of you Sig lovers, read teh last paragraph. It will make your day.
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I would love to have a 551, especially if they will be marketed at under $1K - its conceivable due to stamped receivers. I hope they capitalize on the market - I would beg steal or borrow the $1K for it if introduced. Heck, if they actually do this I WILL BUY TWO OF THEM. But I will say this, the FNC is probably a more user-friendly piece. I've had a couple of them and found them great weapons (although the original 1-10 twist leaves a little to be desired with todays bullets).
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Here here on the SIG 551. It's already got a 14in barrel. Maybe we'll get lucky and SIG will throw 16's on there. If not.. Pin + Weld a Phantom 5C1... Wow.
I think I just soiled myself. 06 will be a wild ass year for gunowners. FNC's, SCAR, F2000, P90, and the SIG550/551. Dear lord this is gonna rule. My poor checkbook! |
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I'll probably have to get a couple to sit in the safe with all the ARs, AKs, and FALs that I never shoot.
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I've shot SIG carbines and I am a fan, but to be totally honest it just doesnt stack well against the AR15. Not bias or loyalty. Just really hold it and work the controls and it is clear the AR15 is more user friendly. I like the lack of fouling in the SIG, but that one benefit does not outweigh all the other benefits the AR15 has.
I would buy one though, if the price wasnt insane. I doubt sig would sell a long gun in the USA for less than 1000 bucks when they have handguns that cost nearly that much |
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I'd get that thing refinished if I were you! I'm really hoping the US 550/551 becomes a reality. Dream come true for me, since I can't afford a $10,000 Swiss 551. |
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Oh man...the SIG 550 on top of the US made AUGs??? And Drake are us civvies seriously gonna get new FNC's, F2000s, SCARs, and P90s?? Oh man after this next AR I have to save up...
ETA: Would there be any chance for some SIG 551's and 552's? |
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This is interesting.
Can somebody fill me in on the FNC bit though? That's the only one that I havn't heard anything about, as far as possible civy sales in the US. |
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Monkey-man, I've never seen a real SIG, so I can't compare the two. But what makes the SIG irons so much better than the AR's? I've always thought a peep and post was an excellent combo on the AR's.
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I can speak with a little knowledge.
I attended a Swiss Mountaineering/Border Control Course last year in Switzerland. I was sent by my unit. Anyway we carried the SIG 550/ or the version their army uses for the course. We also did day and night fire with the rifle. After reading and seeing photos of the rifle and drooling for years it was a bit of a disappointment. While I would buy one if available/affordable in the States I would still stick with my M4 which I am issued. The rifle is front heavy, the bipod legs are annoying, they get caught on things especially web gear. The front site post is to thick, rear sight was nice but nothing which really outclassed the M4, it is 'cooler' but functionally don't see much improvement. While the stock can be folded, it is basically useless folded so besides being compact for storing etc no large improvement. I don't see how you can get any more smaller or handier than the M4. The mags were nice, the mag changes slower and mounting optics is definitly not nearly as easy or convient. As for reliability, of course it will win over the M4 but as long as I kept my M4 relatively clean it functioned fine and I talk from deployment experience from Afghanistan. The SIG is already front heavy by the time one would add a PEQ2/4, flashlight, grip, bipod it will be much more front heavy than a M4. So my two cents, its definitly a nice rifle but I would take the battle proven M4 over the SIG. |
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If I had one of those stupid SIGS, I'd sell it and get two or three ARs.
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MP, with all due respect to your battle experience (of which I have none), your comparison is apples and oranges. The 551 (in my pics above) is the length/weight/task equivalent to your M4, the 550 is the longer/heavier one like the M16A2. As I hinted, over 50 different types of battle rifles in my safe spanning a century and none is perfect (although I do believe a near-perfect one could be built). The reliability of the SIG is its most important feature I think, maybe the piston ARs solve that problem but I have no experience. I'm an HK LE regional dealer and I still can't get hold of one of those uppers. |
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Monkey, I do not know if those pics work for you, but all I get are red X's.
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I have to admit that my two favorite rifles are the AR-15 (M4) and the Sig 550s and 540s.
Here's a picture of me shooting a 550 in Switzerland. The SIG 550 incorporates some of the best design features from the best rifles. It uses the long-stroke gas piston and carrier of the AK-47 for reliability, the adjustable gas system of the FN FAL, the clamshell design of the AR-15 for ease of maintenance, and the sights from the HK G3 (only better). It has an ergonomic side-folding stock, ambi controls, an excellent trigger, it's accurate and it's got great looks to boot. The Sig 550's only drawbacks are its weight, the charging handle on the wrong side of the receiver, the AK-47 style magazine release, and its cost. It is a heavy rifle and an expensive rifle. Even in Europe the civilian versions sell for nearly 3000 Euro. I actually prefer the 551 version or the older 543, as I am partial to carbines. I've had a chance to shoot the Chilean made SIG 543 with the Rangers in Portugal. It's a good weapon and very similar to the 550s, only it uses a tubular steel folding buttstock like the Congo FAL, and it uses steel magazines instead of the translucent plastic ones of the 550 series. The front sights are also slightly different and there might be some minor internal differences. I would love to see SIG produce the 550s in the States for civilian use. I'd be first in line to buy one. However, I've very skeptical of the "under $1000" price tag. My gut tells me that if it comes out, it'll be three times that much. I hope I'm wrong. |
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I wish these rumors would be proven true. For years now, "SIG Representatives" have been quoted through the grape vine as saying Swiss Arms will allow SIG to make them here. Don't mind my skepticism as I've heard these rumors for years now.
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We will know if they are for real or not when Shot 2006 rolls around. If they plan to release them, I'm sure they will say so at Shot Show. |
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I don't know about you....but cleaning the SIG is like cleaning the M249/Minimi
It's tedious and annoying. |
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If you never shoot them you should sell them to...........well,me |
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Please oh please let it be true. Give us an SG551 for the masses. Even if it cost $2000 it wouldnt cost me that much because lots of AR15's would get traded in the process
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i'm specifically saving my pennies just in case the US SG55X or the US AUG ever appear. if they do, i'll buy 2 of each. |
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I would love to own a SIG 551 rifle. However, I would like to have a .308 SIG 550 or B&T rifle before a .223 model.
Chris |
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