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Posted: 5/4/2004 6:25:38 PM EST
Hello,

I'm really on the fence of which flash suppressor to buy for 9-14. I think I prefer the more mil-spec look of the Phantom, but the attitude of the Vortex is growing on me. Since I'll have to pin this on my 14.5" barrel, I'd like to see a handfull of 'em installed. Can someone throw me a pic or fifty?

Thanks,
BoB
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 6:33:39 PM EST
Go with the phantom its closed on the front and wont hang up on stuff like the vortex.Personally I wish they would just make barrels 15" so a regular birdcage could be permanently attached.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 6:43:47 PM EST
Or go with the vortex, unless you plan on running around a jungle :-)

I got one, and I love it. It looks very mean, and works very well. Best I've seen...or rather, not seen.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 6:47:43 PM EST
Or you live in the country and not the city.
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 8:16:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2004 8:16:43 PM EST by BoB-O]
Or POST PICS!
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 9:07:36 PM EST
Here's a view of a Phantom you don't see very often.

Link Posted: 5/4/2004 9:08:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2004 9:10:18 PM EST by Marksman14]
I'm just trying to think of stuff that is dense enough for anything to really get caught in the flash hider.

I honestly don't think it would pose a problem. Heavy, thick jungle, perhaps.

But since most of us don't go out in jungles, and a majority of our shooting is done at a range or somewhat open area, I'd go with the vortex.

I don't know of too many situations where I would be running into trees with my M4 pointed straight ahead of me
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 9:41:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 4:29:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 5:04:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By M4-guy:
Here's a view of a Phantom you don't see very often.

www.hunt101.com/img/121527.JPG



How cool is that!?! Got a side view?

BoB
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 5:16:33 AM EST
Just this one, and it's not very good.



I'll have to get some more recent pics up.
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 5:44:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 6:18:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:
As if I haven't posted this pic enough lately (sorry for those of you who are tired of it!).
host146.ipowerweb.com/~initiali/pics/M4A1.jpg
This is the original 4-slot, notch-front Phantom.
-Troy



Have I mentioned lately how much you want to guve me that?
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 6:36:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/5/2004 6:38:55 AM EST by mongo001]
Top - Vortex, middle - Phantom, bottom - A2.



Here's one with a straight fluted Vortex:

Link Posted: 5/5/2004 6:50:18 AM EST
i like the phantoms really well
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 7:21:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant

The SE Vortex actually does something ( like eliminate 99% of muzzle flash) where as the Phantom just looks pretty!

C4



Are you really saying the Phantom doesn't suppress flash? I never had the opportunity to compare the two side by side but everything I have read has indicated the phantom does an excellent job. Maybe not 99% like the Vortex but around 90-95%.

Do you have a different opinion or were you just joking?
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 7:52:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 8:37:24 AM EST
grant, do you sell the vortex off your site? I couldnt find it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 9:04:25 AM EST
Here are some of mine. All of MY rifles have Votex flash hiders. My issued work gun has a Phantom. I like both but fell in love with the Votex.

This is a Colt 16 inch Light Weight barrel that KKF cut down to 14.5 and installed the Votex.



This is my work rifle with a Phantom.



Not the best pics but maybe it will help.
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 1:10:08 PM EST
Vortex;


Phantom;
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 4:24:53 PM EST
My M4gery (Colt M4 upper, phantom, EA lower, all pre-ban):

Link Posted: 5/5/2004 4:26:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:
As if I haven't posted this pic enough lately (sorry for those of you who are tired of it!).

host146.ipowerweb.com/~initiali/pics/M4A1.jpg
This is the original 4-slot, notch-front Phantom.


-Troy



Where's the afterburner? Turbine? Anti-air missiles?

Got everything else...
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 4:30:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 4:46:23 PM EST
now those are some nice rifles. amazing how just cutting off that extra inch or two off the barrel and bringing it down to the minimum 16"/16.5" really makes the M4gery look so much sweeter and more evil. man I wish Kurt wasn't so backed up, I'm dying to send in my colt barrel to have it done.
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 7:12:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By CMMG:
Here you go:

www.cmmginc.com/cmmg_images/tbl_images/uppers_images/LF_M4A3_14Ph.jpg



Thanks for the pics everyone. This one sealed the deal for me. I'll go with the new version (no bottom slot) of the old skool Phantom.

Thanks all!
BoB
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:37:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By BoB-O:
Hello,

I'm really on the fence of which flash suppressor to buy for 9-14. I think I prefer the more mil-spec look of the Phantom, but the attitude of the Vortex is growing on me. Since I'll have to pin this on my 14.5" barrel, I'd like to see a handfull of 'em installed. Can someone throw me a pic or fifty?

Thanks,
BoB



The SE Vortex actually does something ( like eliminate 99% of muzzle flash) where as the Phantom just looks pretty! hr


Typical sales oriented bullshit! Why is it that whatever you peddle is a gold brick but everything else is shit? $50 for a flash hider is ridiculous, I'm sure it may have its place for certain special ops gear but Joe Average ain't toting it.

And to say the Phantom just looks pretty is the biggest pile of all, everyone knows that the Phantom has always been a comparable choice to the Vortex. Muzzle flash reduction has been stated at as least 95-97% but the truth of the matter depends upon ammo & barrel length.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:49:15 AM EST
how do you know if you have a realphantom or just a mock one?

sorta like the fake A2 flash hiders that are muzzle breaks
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:30:04 AM EST
Sharpshot:

Not to hijack the thread, but there are other competent folks out there who can cut a barrel for ya besides KKF.

These are two of my faves; either one will hook you up right!

www.adcofirearms.com
www.american-manufacture.com

If you want to support the AK side of this board, you could probably also go to www.ohiorapidfire.com.



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