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Posted: 8/23/2005 3:11:58 AM EDT
OK, I am going to be shipping an AR lower that I sold. It will, of course, be going to the buyer's FFL. Who should I ship through? May I send it to the FFL, or does my FFL have to send it to his FFL? I'm confused! Thanks for the help.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 3:23:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 3:23:59 AM EDT
call and make sure the FFL is actually legit and use UPS with signature confirmation w/ insurance.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 4:11:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
call and make sure the FFL is actually legit and use UPS with signature confirmation w/ insurance.





also make sure that the ffl will accept it from a non-ffl.


there is a website you can go to, punch in the ffl# and it shows if its legit.


forget what it is though
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 1:50:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
call and make sure the FFL is actually legit and use UPS with signature confirmation w/ insurance.





also make sure that the ffl will accept it from a non-ffl.


there is a website you can go to, punch in the ffl# and it shows if its legit.


forget what it is though



Here ya go:

www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

Link Posted: 8/23/2005 2:01:12 PM EDT
newb question, but when ups asks for a contents description what should you put?


long gun? machine parts? reciever?
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 5:44:01 PM EDT
When I shipped mine back to Bushmaster, got the shipping label, boxed it up and dropped it off at the UPS depot. They did not ask anything about it. Though when I got it back, there was a hole ripped in the box where I am sure some curious package handler just had to take a peek. They ripped the hole on the muzzle end so the birdcage was staring them right in the eye when they peeked in there, little shocking I would imagine.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 6:16:50 PM EDT
I'd go with FedEX over UPS, just because they seem to have a better handle on where everything is at any given time. With ANY firearm, use their "Courier" service with the fastest delivery possible. This gets you signatures every time it changes hands within FedEx, and the faster delivery reduces the chance for someone to take a liking to your stuff. FWIW, this is how CMP delivers Garands. It works.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 7:03:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalOpsAR:
newb question, but when ups asks for a contents description what should you put?


long gun? machine parts? reciever?



Rifle. There is nothing to hide.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 7:11:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2005 7:20:23 PM EDT by Creeper]
Ship US postal service. They do not and will not ask what is inside, just if it is perishable, hazardous, or liquid. I refuse to ship any weapon through UPS or Fed-Ex because first they want you to declaire it and second half the idiots don't know enough about the law. So they freak out then ask if you included an FFL which you do not have to if shipping to an FFL. Handguns have to go next day but rifles are OK for ground. If not sure then ask for a file copy of his FFL, then throw the file copy in the box when you send it.

I don't deal with UPS or Fed-Ex because they ask questions, they don't know the regulations, etc.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 7:14:18 PM EDT
UPS has told me before that they wno't ship guns. OTher UPS locations have done it no problem.

I usually use DHL, a little cheaper and it all works the same..
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 7:23:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Creeper:
Ship US postal service. They do not and will not ask what is inside, just if it is perishable, hazardous, or liquid. I refuse to ship any weapon through UPS or Fed-Ex because first they want you to declaire it and second half the idiots don't know enough about the law. So they freak out then ask if you included an FFL which you do not have to if shipping to an FFL. Handguns have to go next day but rifles are OK for ground. If not sure then ask for a file copy of his FFL, then throw the file copy in the box when you send it.

I don't deal with UPS or Fed-Ex because they ask questions, they don't know the regulations, etc.




Unless you have an FFL yourself, you are NOT allowed to ship a handgun through the Post Office, even if you ship it next day air. It must go with FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc.


Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:05:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2005 9:06:00 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
I use USPS priority insured with signature confirmation. Usually the item gets there in three days or less. I think I paid about $12 for a complete lower. I would imagine a complete rifle would be around $20 and a stripped lower well under $10. Fed Ex is also pretty good. I try to avoid UPS at all costs. Unless it is free.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 2:07:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ManiacRat461:
Though when I got it back, there was a hole ripped in the box where I am sure some curious package handler just had to take a peek. They ripped the hole on the muzzle end so the birdcage was staring them right in the eye when they peeked in there, little shocking I would imagine.



Are you sure that the flash suppressor itself didn't punch the hole in the box? I had a rifle mailed to my FFL that did just that.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:17:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/25/2005 4:50:06 AM EDT by KingC]

Originally Posted By Creeper:
Ship US postal service. They do not and will not ask what is inside, just if it is perishable, hazardous, or liquid. I refuse to ship any weapon through UPS or Fed-Ex because first they want you to declaire it and second half the idiots don't know enough about the law. So they freak out then ask if you included an FFL which you do not have to if shipping to an FFL. Handguns have to go next day but rifles are OK for ground. If not sure then ask for a file copy of his FFL, then throw the file copy in the box when you send it.

I don't deal with UPS or Fed-Ex because they ask questions, they don't know the regulations, etc.



Now this is just the kinda advice that will get your handgun confiscated and give you 10 years in the pokey!

Collin. Talk with the receiving FFL, and ensure that he knows you are an unlicensed person. Many will flip out if they receive a firearm unannounced on the doorstep. Get in communication with the ffl. Some will not want to deal with an unlicensed person.
Some unlicensed sellers request an "ink-signed" ffl license copy from the receiving ffl. This is a nice thing to request, but is not always possible, as many ffl's don't like to release the document to an unlicensed party. You should ask the ffl for the first three and the last five numbers from the his license. You go to the web site M4Madness gave and verify the license validity and address by submitting those digits. You should only ship the firearm to that address ONLY. Double check the expiration date as well.

A rifle can be shipped by post, and is best shipped registered mail, priority, and insured with signature confirmation.

UPS will accept your rifle as shipped to an ffl, and you can use ground, and must use the adult signature only option. UPS states they will only accept a firearm for shipment at their customer counter. Agent's and THE UPS Store and similar will not accept complete firearms.
In both the above and with any carrier, you MUST notify the carrier that you are shipping a firearm. They are forbidden from marking firearm on the package. Some carriers may ask if the firing mechanism has been separated from the firearm, or the bolt removed. They may ask other questions; some may show a skittishness about shipping a firearm, etc. If this is the case, perhaps there is another more knowledgeable staff member who could help you.

In all cases, make up a detailed sales receipt and include a copy in the box with the firearm and send a copy to the buyer in a separate mailing. Also ensure you have a copy of the shipping and return address inside the box incase the outside label is damaged.
Put extra padding at the muzzle end, as this can easily breach the box.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 11:39:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
I use USPS priority insured with signature confirmation. Usually the item gets there in three days or less. I think I paid about $12 for a complete lower. I would imagine a complete rifle would be around $20 and a stripped lower well under $10. Fed Ex is also pretty good. I try to avoid UPS at all costs. Unless it is free.



A stripped lower fits quite nicely in one of the USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate boxes designed for VCR tapes.
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