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Posted: 9/13/2004 7:22:48 PM EST
OK I know I wasnt the only one that overheard the sheeps at work talking about how "machineguns" are legal for anyone to buy now...lol
I quickly informed someone everytime I heard a comment and re-educated them.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 7:47:58 PM EST
good job. Just do it in the right tone and remember there are some you can never sway (Libs)
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 8:56:43 PM EST
Lol got in an argument at work with a liberal. He was pretty passionate and getting himself pretty worked up. I was starting to laugh at him and was lucky that we were saved from the discussion by the interuption of another coworked beating the shit out of the vending machine for not giving him the chips he just bought.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 9:03:30 PM EST
excellent job

also remind them not to believe everyting on tv, expecially since kerry and other pro-ban politicaians are prowling around
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 9:19:12 PM EST
I got a lot of that today .

The worst was "Why would anyone need an assault rifle . We don't need anything like that ."

My answear was "Because I can ."

She than said " Why? they are only for killing people."

I answeared "So are abortions , but you suport that . "
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 10:20:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
I got a lot of that today .he
My answear was "Because I can ."

She than said " Why? they are only for killing people."

I answeared "So are abortions , but you suport that . "



Ohhhman that last line is sweet!!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 10:33:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By makkoo1974:

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
I got a lot of that today .

The worst was "Why would anyone need an assault rifle . We don't need anything like that ."

My answear was "Because I can ."

She than said " Why? they are only for killing people."

I answeared "So are abortions , but you suport that . "



Ohhhman that last line is sweet!!!

But it is true . She didn't like that and got real pissy about it .
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:37:29 AM EST
Yea I get this all the time the only time they are used for killing people. is if you do kill people which makes you a murdurer! people think that now we can go out ab legally buy fully automatic weapons.
misinformation is the key why there were a ban in the first place.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 1:20:47 AM EST
try telling the sheep you are going to regulate their cars and what they can buy. People buy corvettes because they can go fast, well, that is against the law isn't it? Friggin hypocrites!
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 2:10:22 AM EST
Man, I am so lucky. I would have thought that the people I worked with were antis, but it turns out their not. We were watch the morning news when ABC showed a pro Karry ad for the AWB. I started luaghing out loud when Karry said "now terrorist are going to be able to buy AW." I made the remark OH GOD! And they said to me, That is just stupid. They new what the AWB was, and what it wasn't.

Then we started talking about guns, and the next thing I know, they go to the range and shoot more than I do WTF.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:14:39 AM EST
I have a lady that works for me whose husband is a corrections officer (prison guard). She is VERY anti-gun and cites stories she hears from her husband (that he apparently hears from convicts!) about gun violence. She just didn't get it when I tried to explain that gun laws are only effective on LAW ABIDING CITIZENS because we follow the law... criminals (by definition) BREAK THE LAW so gun laws mean nothing to them!

It bugs me some of you LAUGH concerning people like this. I know some people are so ignorant all you can do is laugh... but I'm much more disturbed by people like this than amused!

Scot
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:19:42 AM EST
Some stupid bitch at work was ranting and raving about how she just went to buy pepper spray now that the bad guys are going to have the guns, i took two minutes to explain how stupid the awb is, and the fact that you coyuld still have the damn gun just not the cosmetic aspects that we the the gun aficionados care about, she was dumbfounded and began to wonder why it's like that, i just told her that either way the criminals are going to carry the guns regardless.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:30:07 AM EST
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -MLK, Jr.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:31:26 AM EST
I have been waiting for my change to pounce on the ignorant myself.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:32:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
I got a lot of that today .

The worst was "Why would anyone need an assault rifle . We don't need anything like that ."

My answear was "Because I can ."

She than said " Why? they are only for killing people."

I answeared "So are abortions , but you suport that . "



Ahh yes, the tired old argument that guns are "designed to kill". I just love this one. Here's my standard answer to that argument - there are roughly 260,000,000 firearms in private ownership in this country. There are approximately 30,000 homicides every year involving a firearm. That comes out to one fatality per 8666 guns annually. If they were designed to kill, they are doing a damned poor job in the hands of law abiding American citizens. Which brings up an often overlooked fact by the antis who spout this nonsense; murder is illegal, whether by firearm, fist, or some other type of weapon. Whether they are designed to kill or not is immaterial if they aren't used for that purpose - IOW if a gun is used lawfully and and responsibly, what does it matter if it was in fact designed to kill?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:52:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By shaggy:
- there are roughly 260,000,000 firearms in private ownership in this country. There are approximately 30,000 homicides every year involving a firearm. That comes out to one fatality per 8666 guns annually.....


Ahh, actually, we are doing much worse than 8666 gun to one homicide death. Per CDC 2001 figures, there were 29,573 firearms related death. Of those, 16,869 were suicides and 11,348 were confirmed homicides. Unless we start outlawing suicides and have a way to punish the dead, there is not too much we can do about that. Therefore, that's one homicide per 22,912 firearms per year.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:57:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
I got a lot of that today .

The worst was "Why would anyone need an assault rifle . We don't need anything like that ."

My answear was "Because I can ."

She than said " Why? they are only for killing people."

I answeared "So are abortions , but you suport that . "



Beautifully spoken
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:00:14 AM EST
... A number of years ago I saved this piece written by an ARFCOM member. I wish the author would step up and receive his due credit. I thought it was quite spirited.

... It's a GREAT refute to "why does anyone need an assault rifle"






Why do I need one of those?
Why do I need an AR-15 Assault Rifle?

About 230 ago, some incredibly gifted, wealthy, slave-owning, white guys looked at Western Civilization and undertook what is undoubtedly the most radical, profound political revolution ever conceived. Despite what the history books say, it really wasn't about taxes, or troops in people's homes, or the price of tea or any of that crap. These men were British subjects, but taxes were lower in the colonies than in Britain at the time of the Revolution, there was unprecedented freedom, particularly on the frontier, and these guys were generally the wealthy elite who could have been colonial governors if they had chosen to. They could have afforded to drink tea until they pissed pure caffeine.

Another misconception was that it was a popular revolution. I don't remember who said it, but one of those old dead white guys said that the colonists were divided roughly into thirds, one third loyalist, one third ambivalent, and one third revolutionary (sound familiar?). It took years of coercion and propaganda to motivate the general public to take up arms against the British.

What was our Revolution all about then? These guys realized, 2000 miles from their ruling country that they had an unprecedented opportunity to revolt and form a radical new self-government, where political power was vested in the People themselves, not in a ruling class.

It was an ideological revolution that is still radical today, with the Constitution as the Blueprint for Freedom. In this system, individual liberty is the beginning and end of all government activity. That is to say, government powers are only supposed to extend so far, and only with the permission of the governed. Ideally, where my rights as a citizen begin, the powers of government come to an abrupt halt. Conversely, the primary function of government is to guarantee my liberties, hence the Bill of Rights.
So what we have is an incredibly radical new power structure, one not truly duplicated anywhere else in the world.

So how does this explain why I need an AR15 assault rifle?

What the founding fathers knew, and so many of the "People" have forgotten (or never learned), is that Power is a zero sum game. If I have it, the government doesn't, and vice versa. Even many pro-gunners miss the point and we allow ourselves to be distracted with "rights" issues, that, while they exist, aren't specifically addressed by the Constitution (right to hunt, right to self-defense, etc.)

The Constitution, the Blueprint for Freedom, and the Bill of Rights, the non-expiring guarantee of liberty, are about one thing: Power. So don't get confused by other issues here.

If this is a country where Power is truly vested in the People, and the government is
LIMITED by the Constitution, then my ownership of an AR15 is off limits to the government. The Second Amendment guarantees my Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and the Constitution limits the government to very specific, narrow activities, which does not include regulating guns. So, not only is this right specifically reserved to the
People (or, even with a loose interpretation, the states), it also falls outside of the boundaries outlined in the Constitution for the Federal Govt.

Its a double whammy.

Why is it so important to us? Some people fear a tyrannical government taking over (you think they're "paranoid", despite so many historical lessons I could fill several books; but that's another thread). But most, I believe, are more like me. We still believe in the Revolution and its ideals. We ARE Revolutionaries. Power is vested in
ME, as a citizen, and not in the government. It cannot be taken without my permission, which I do not give. Remember, its a zero sum game, so if the government can infringe those liberties, they really don't exist at all, except in theory. Well, I don't want theoretical freedom. I want the real stuff.

So, some argue, we still have freedom of the press and the rest of it, why the big deal over guns? Well, the Bill of Rights is not a buffet, we don't get to pick and choose. I don't like neo-Socialist rhetoric, but I'm not calling for the abolishment of free speech, am I? Because I know that the First Amendment is also about Power - the Power of information (way deadlier than guns, in the right hands, by the way. Case in point, Hitler, whose propaganda machine convinced the Germans to commit unthinkable atrocities; I digress).

Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power structure.
Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone see that Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS, which in case you aren't familiar, has the power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a bureaucrat’s pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the time and there are many more examples beyond these.

So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist for the government.

So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord, this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not over taxes, which are atrocious or unreasonable search and seizure, which is rampant, or the separation of powers (who said Klinton could declare war all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AR15. Why? Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to overthrow an unjust, un-Constitutional government, the rest of those rights truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And then they are not rights, they're privileges.
If the government can take my AR15, or restrict the amount of ammunition it holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for. There's a reason for the Second
Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the last of my rights to go.

THAT'S why I need an AR15 assault rifle.

- Unknown AR15.com author


Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:01:49 AM EST
I just love these fun facts, the truth is though, that no-one is going to take away the fear that people with something to lose have. Take for example your standard soccer mom shes instintively afraid of the big muscular male, especially if he is a minority, honestly i don't know why but there is a swedish scientist who wrote bout this(he's also the one that wrote about selective euthanasia in the future) Then when you put the possibility of men carrying guns, now shes basically pissing in her pants from primal fear everytime she shes a big black man look at her with interest. why do people have to be sooooo ignorant, what will it take to educate the sheeples about life beyond suburbia?? or about the fact that people have hobbies and interests different from theirs??
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:13:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By FL-AR15:
Man, I am so lucky. I would have thought that the people I worked with were antis, but it turns out their not. We were watch the morning news when ABC showed a pro Karry ad for the AWB. I started luaghing out loud when Karry said "now terrorist are going to be able to buy AW." I made the remark OH GOD! And they said to me, That is just stupid. They new what the AWB was, and what it wasn't.

Then we started talking about guns, and the next thing I know, they go to the range and shoot more than I do WTF.



I had someone say to me, "Now all the terrorists lurking in our country can get AW." I explained the whole bayonet, flash-hider, high cap mags bull-shit to them. I then said do you seriously think a terrorist would care if he put a pre-ban upper on a post-ban lower? Do you seriously think that a terrorist would care if he bought an illegal, full-auto, unregistered gun?

I know this really bitchy lady who is a complete communist, and I am not kidding. She thinks the word gun means death, destruction, pain, terrorism, and tyranny. When she was in the room, someone asked me what the legal age for purchasing a rifle was and I correctly informed, 18. She flipped out and spoke of illegal ownership of firearms at that age, death, and a motive to kill someone. I laughed and muttered under my breath, "Fucking, dictator, commie."

People are so f*cking misinformed and stupid.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:32:06 AM EST
M11293 more power to you!! I can't stand these stupid, ridiculous, dramatic women sticking their noses in others business.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:39:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Shal1:

It bugs me some of you LAUGH concerning people like this. I know some people are so ignorant all you can do is laugh... but I'm much more disturbed by people like this than amused!

Scot



believe me, I tried education first. I explained the ban, what it didn't do, and this guy actually went and researched it, came back and told me the law was poorly written and needed to be corrected so that there were not so many "loopholes". His big passion was about those "30 round clips" that let psychos unload in a public place. I tried explaining that all of this is already illegal under present laws. I tried explaining that if more people were armed, the psychos wouldn't last 10 seconds. I tried explaining that liberty requires sacrifice. It doesn't matter. These people can't be educated.

So, when they start foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, I can get angry or I can choose to view their ignorance in a humorous light. The latter is what I do.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:01:06 AM EST

I tried explaining that if more people were armed, the psychos wouldn't last 10 seconds. I tried explaining that liberty requires sacrifice. It doesn't matter. These people can't be educated.



Bushjumper,

I think in many cases this is giving them too much credit. I think it is that they WON'T be educated. Most are happy to be in a cage, with big brother taking care of them. Forgive me, but a cage, even with pretty pictures hanging on the wall, is still a cage. My vote is for freedom.

Doc
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:30:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 7:41:30 AM EST by cb556]
When they ask "why anyone would need one" since "you can't use one for deer hunting" as if that was the only use for a rifle. Another good approach is to explain to them about the CMP and the use of the AR-15 in formal shooting competition. The CMP was created by congress and sells AR-15s for marksmanship...small caliber, no recoil, accurate, and easy to repair/rebuild.... all common sense needs in a competition rifle. So how can congress ban it as a "non sporting assault rifle" when congress created the program (CMP) that uses and sells them for national competition (a sport)
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:40:17 PM EST
I think what pisses me off the most are these catch phrases the media and antis come up with that are totally without any basis of fact which makes it hard to rebut in a few seconds of talking to someone who has been misinformed. It takes at least 10 minutes for each statement to explain that logically the statements are completely with out merit.

I get pissed off with just the opinion that the 2nd doesn't apply to me, and then I have sit down and act reasonable that they are wrong because you know damn well if you show any form of compassion for the pro gun issue, you will be labeled a gunnut, and loose any creditability with them.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 2:35:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By sstrucknguy:
OK I know I wasnt the only one that overheard the sheeps at work talking about how "machineguns" are legal for anyone to buy now...lol
I quickly informed someone everytime I heard a comment and re-educated them.



this happened a thousand times over this week and you will......like the rest of us, be forever known to the fucking idiots at work as ..........."The Gun Nut".
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 2:36:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 2:36:11 PM EST by Hawkeye]
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