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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Scoping a flat top 16" carbine

Posted: 10/9/2004 3:05:04 PM EDT

I just can't use red dots, plain and simple, and maybe putting a scope on a carbine is not what most people do but I like a bit of magnification and a reticle pattern for my old eyes. The ACOG & Aimpoint lines are too expensive for me anyway.

So I am thinking about a compact riflescope, Burris comes to mind but there are others. Something in a 1.5 to 6 or 7 power from $200 to $400 with a decent field of vision. Any & all recommendations and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

Posted: 10/9/2004 6:54:28 PM EDT

[#1]

Bushnell Elite 3200 is a good rugged scope. You can get one with firefly reticle for aroud $200. You charge the firefly with flashlight for 10 secs and it glows for 2+ hrs. Great idea. I think they do 2-7 and 3-9.

Posted: 10/9/2004 6:54:43 PM EDT

[#2]

I recommend using a Leupold VX-III 1.5-5x20mm mounted with an Armalite mount. Here are pics of mine. Eye relief requires an A2 stock to allow you to get further enough behind the scope.

Posted: 10/9/2004 10:05:55 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
I just can't use red dots, plain and simple...

Why not? They are ideal for (most) aging eyes.

Posted: 10/10/2004 12:15:58 PM EDT

[#4]

Maybe he has astigmatism or he doen't like 'em. Dots are not for everyone.

Posted: 10/10/2004 3:41:03 PM EDT

[#5]

I have a Leupold VXIII 1.5-5x FS in the EE

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=225783&page=1

Posted: 10/10/2004 5:50:20 PM EDT

[#6]

Don't know about the astigmatism thing but I have a pretty strong contact lens prescription and I have to wear strong reading glasses to read a book on top of those. Red dots are always fuzzy to my eyes where looking through a scope is just better. The Leupold looks OK, will try to take a look at those but I wish the 20mm was larger.

Posted: 10/10/2004 5:54:33 PM EDT

[#7]

I have about 40/20 and 90/20, with astigmatism. I wear glasses that correct to better than 20/20. Aimpoints are blurry or "flared" for me (still use 'em though). The EOTechs are clear for me. If you want a red dot, you might try an Eotech.

-z

Posted: 10/10/2004 7:35:34 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
The Leupold looks OK, will try to take a look at those but I wish the 20mm was larger.

If you want a larger lens, use the VX-III 1.75-6x32mm. I use one of these also. I, too, like the 32mm better than the 20mm. The magification at lowest setting is almost identical, but you gain more tolerance in head positioning because the 32mm has a larger exit pupil - which means the scope is more forgiving in where your eye is positioned.

Posted: 10/13/2004 5:30:09 PM EDT

[#9]

I have been contemplating the IOR 4x32...but have not seen any feedback on them. They are about $350 and come with one of three reticles made for 223. Seems to be a wide fow too.

Posted: 10/14/2004 4:18:46 PM EDT

[#10]

Found this: http://www.riflescopes.com/products/200718/burris_signature_select_1.5-6x40.htm

Burris Signature Select, 1.5 - 6 with a 40mm obj. Anybody got one or heard anything?

Posted: 10/14/2004 6:17:32 PM EDT

[#11]

I have an IOR M2, which is a 4x. It is EXCELLENT.

It has adjustable target type turrets. The elevation has a bullet drop compensation cam that is calibrated for the 5.56 NATO M855, but there is also a 7.62 NATO version.

The reticle has a range finding scale. It is also a lit reticle, with a knob to adjust brightness. When lit it has a lime green glow.

The optics are VERY clear, bright, sharp.

I suggest the Armalite 30mm scope mount. This puts the scope at the same height over bore as A2 iron sights.

The IOR M2 has a rubber bellows type eyepiece and a rubber front lens cap.

This is an ugly little scope, very industrial heavy duty looking. I LIKE it!

I honestly had never considered this scope until I handled another guy's AR carbine with one mounted.

Posted: 10/16/2004 6:46:12 AM EDT

[#12]

Thanks for the feedback on the IOR.
How is it at close range - like 25 yds? - some scopes seem to be finiky about staying in focus from near to far.
The IOR is very tempting at this point, for an M4 carbine type rifle...I want some magnification but don't really want a full size scope, and also am not ready to shell out the ACOG $
Burris also has the signature safari in 1.75 to 5 power, with an illuminated reticle...that looks really neat also. It's a little more money than the one just mentioned but has the illluminated cross hairs.
I've heard really good things about burris but have not owned one, same with IOR.
Burris is made in USA with a lifetime warranty, thats a big plus.

Any feedback on the mid-powered Burris?

Posted: 10/16/2004 7:23:43 AM EDT

[#13]

I would recommend:
IOR
Leupold
Burris

I would probably go with an IOR. Out of the two I would recommend for a 16" the CQB RET.

www.csgunworks.com
[email protected]
Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board
Mike at CS Gunworks is...

Posted: 10/16/2004 7:36:13 AM EDT

[#14]

or if you wanted to go with a 3 power....

(the reticle is larger and better defined then in the pictures, that was just my camera)

Just be warned... you'll need something to rise it up as of now... At least I think that the mount is too low to get a good cheak weld... I find myself rotating my head over the buttstock to get a sight picture...

IOR makes excelent scopes- this is my second and I'm more then happy with my 2.5-10x42

-Roth

*Edit* just saw your price range...this will be a bit above it.

Posted: 10/16/2004 12:13:37 PM EDT

[#15]

How is that IOR 3x35 for CQB stuff?

Posted: 10/16/2004 12:31:17 PM EDT

[#16]

NUCdt04, you tickled my fancy with that CQB, i would like to hear some more am=bout it if you dont mind.

cory

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:11:46 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The Leupold looks OK, will try to take a look at those but I wish the 20mm was larger.

Thats what I orignally thought too, until I bought one. The eyepiece is the same diameter as all the other Leupold scopes so your not looking thru a straw. Its very easy to keep both eyes open with the 1.5-5x20. G35's pic is good but you really have to see this yourself. It is crystal clear day or night and brings in lots of light. It would be great for 25yds to ?
The IOR 4x32 would be good for 100yrds out but would be worthless (to me and Iv'e owned one) in CQB mode. The Ill reticle is only visible under dusk to dark conditions, and is not as clear as the Leupold. (IOR has greeenish tint)
I never tried the Burris 1.5-6, but have been told that the Ill is like the IOR's.

Posted: 10/16/2004 7:24:02 PM EDT

[#18]

I use a Leupy VX-III 1.5-5x20 too. Ordered it from Premier Reticles, with 1/2 moa per click target turrets, and a mildot reticle. It is mounted in Leupy high Mk4 rings. No eye relief issues. I like it. Here are a couple pics, I swap it around.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/077403.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/img/081176.jpg

Posted: 10/16/2004 9:22:44 PM EDT

[#19]

Here is another one to compare with.

Weaver Classic V 1-3x20 $149.95 Field of View @ 100yds (ft.): 87 - 30.75

www.riflescopes.com/products/849400/weaver_classic_v_1-3x20.htm

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