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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:26:38 AM EDT
We (KAC) just received a contract award for one of the BUIS designs we submitted to USSOCOM via Crane, several months ago.  The intial order is for 15 each to be used for Engineering and Operational evaluation due in 60 days.  If this Program Element of the Block II effort is tracking with their Day Optic, RIS-2 effort, etc., there are probably several other BUIS companies that also received the same ($12M) award for this second phase of the program.  So "the fat Lady has not sung yet" on this one, she is just pulling into the parking lot.
Apparently, after the sights are delivered (60 days), then tested and evaluated (probably another 60 days), a "winner" or winners will be picked and they will receive the subsequent delivery orders that have a maximum potential for $12M over 5-years.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 6:36:40 AM EDT
This thread is useless without pics.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 2:18:08 PM EDT
I didn't think KAC offered new products to the civilian market.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 2:32:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
This thread is useless without pics.





+1
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 2:32:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
I didn't think KAC offered new products to the civilian market.




who cares we still want pics
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 2:35:15 PM EDT
Yes, pics would be great too.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:02:01 PM EDT
Congratulations!!!

It must be very gratifying to be such an integral part of the SOPMOD enhancement program.

Well deserved last time, and I am sure this one as well
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:06:02 PM EDT
Must tag any Coldblue post...
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:11:20 PM EDT
More KAC gear
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 3:15:33 PM EDT
tag, pending further info.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:10:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
I didn't think KAC offered new products to the civilian market.



Exactly, we will not produce this sight for commercial purposes unles its the one that wins.
I tried to indicate a timeline above, like 60 days + 60 more days, etc., before even the government decides.  So this is not something that will be commercially available for months.
So in the meantime, if you need a BUIS, there are many fine ones available from multiple companies, including KAC.
In fact, USSOCOM continues 9annually) to buy hundreds of our 300 Meter sight (97082) that is the current SOPMOD Kit BUIS.   See the special SOPMOD-II Kit poster on AR15.com for the NSN, picture, etc.
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:30:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2005 4:32:55 PM EDT by Zarathustra1]

Originally Posted By coldblue:

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
I didn't think KAC offered new products to the civilian market.



Exactly, we will not produce this sight for commercial purposes unles its the one that wins.
I tried to indicate a timeline above, like 60 days + 60 more days, etc., before even the government decides.  So this is not something that will be commercially available for months.
So in the meantime, if you need a BUIS, there are many fine ones available from multiple companies, including KAC.
In fact, USSOCOM continues 9annually) to buy hundreds of our 300 Meter sight (97082) that is the current SOPMOD Kit BUIS.   See the special SOPMOD-II Kit poster on AR15.com for the NSN, picture, etc.



I have a KAC 300 and 600m BUIS and they are great products, but what I really need is a KAC flip-up front sight/gas block and a URX II...
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:42:54 PM EDT
Eagerly awaiting more information....
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 4:51:21 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 10/1/2005 6:22:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Tag

Link Posted: 10/1/2005 9:09:43 PM EDT
I just assume it's a rear sight, so is it?
Pic please!
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 3:14:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 3:58:03 PM EDT by KevinB]
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:15:07 PM EDT
Its the best of both the 300 and 600m sights.  I like it.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:18:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
Its the best of both the 300 and 600m sights.  I like it.



I agree.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:19:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 5:19:20 PM EDT by Duffy]
I get an eerie feeling this thing is looking at me

 Thanks for the pic!
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 5:30:11 PM EDT
The 300m KAC sight is my favorite BUIS due to its size.  It is perfect for co-witnessing IMHO, because it blocks so little of the sight picture behind the optic.  I never liked the peep insert though, so I always used the ghost ring.  

This is a great combination of the 2 sights and their features.  

If it goes into production, will it be available on the civi market?  Will the front sight/gas block ever be available?  These 2 would make a great combo aesthetically and practically.


Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:33:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 3:51:05 AM EDT by redfisher]

Originally Posted By KevinB:
pic.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Weapons/BIS2.jpg


I cant wait  


Locks up and down (same lever as the flip front sight gas block combo)

Lever flips from CQB (wide) to Long Range Aperature (small).



xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

ETA: Never mind. New one looks to be a natural evolution of the original (which I have not yet used)





Link Posted: 10/3/2005 4:30:33 AM EDT
I likey...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:28:00 AM EDT
I have beeen told that ARMS was the other vendor who received an award for this contract.
So they will be required to provide 15 sights in 60 days as well.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:35:15 AM EDT
tag

Sean
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:52:56 AM EDT
I like the look of the KAC sight. It looks quite interesting. I’d like to get my hands on one though to see how it works.

I’m surprised that Troy’s sight wasn’t chosen. I’d assume that with their great design, that they would’ve submitted it for consideration. Oh well, more for us, I guess.

I wonder what ARMS has come up with.

Congratulations to KAC!
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:17:37 AM EDT
My honest guess to why the military might not have chosen Troy would be.

1. It did not meet some specific criteria that was meaningless (like spring loaded)
2. The military was too dumb to oil the sight or felt that was a bad thing to need it to be oiled to be smooth and it was too stiff unoiled
3. Price
4. Inability to produce the amounts needed on schedule

Just a guess but I bet its one or a combination of those.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 12:59:30 PM EDT
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 1:30:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 1:30:56 PM EDT by Duffy]

Originally Posted By DevL:
My honest guess to why the military might not have chosen Troy would be.

1. It did not meet some specific criteria that was meaningless (like spring loaded)
2. The military was too dumb to oil the sight or felt that was a bad thing to need it to be oiled to be smooth and it was too stiff unoiled
3. Price
4. Inability to produce the amounts needed on schedule

Just a guess but I bet its one or a combination of those.



It could be they repeatedly failed to return emails, or refused to supply spare parts  
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 7:44:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 7:54:20 PM EDT by OG10807]
i like it.... a lot
i just hope this won't be made of unobtainium like the front sight block or the urx II

kinda looks like a periscope.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 7:38:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Must tag any Coldblue post...



Word.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:48:38 PM EDT
Interesting BUIS
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 1:43:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bsbg:
Interesting BUIS



Indeed!
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 2:43:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dirk08:
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?



This one



I am sure its here on AR15.com somewhere, but I got this one using Google search - "SOPMOD Poster"
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:21:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 4:22:04 PM EDT by DevL]
Thats Block I not II
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 6:22:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dirk08:
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?



There is no SOPMOD Block II "poster" out yet. The original poster was actually a PowerPoint briefing slide. I have a copy of that somewhere.
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 5:53:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mfingar:

Originally Posted By dirk08:
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?



There is no SOPMOD Block II "poster" out yet. The original poster was actually a PowerPoint briefing slide. I have a copy of that somewhere.



No so.
Wrong, there is a Block-2 Poster out.
That is what I used (see appropriate Topic)  to "add" KAC Part Numbers as well as more readily available alternative KAC products to their basic Block-2 Poster.
Believe it or not, some Governmment folks asked that I do that as an aid to help them ordering the correct KAC P/N.
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 6:54:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 8:55:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mfingar:

Originally Posted By dirk08:
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?



There is no SOPMOD Block II "poster" out yet. The original poster was actually a PowerPoint briefing slide. I have a copy of that somewhere.



Look here:http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=246215

for Block-2 Poster
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 9:08:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By dirk08:
Where is the SOPMOD Block II poster coldblue is talking about being on  ar15.com?



This one

forums.hostileintent.org/uploads/post-33-1098547240.jpg

I am sure its here on AR15.com somewhere, but I got this one using Google search - "SOPMOD Poster"



Anyone know what the web address is at the bottom of the poster, I can never make it big enough to read...
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 9:27:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 9:58:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EWB101:
i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/EWB101/SOPMOD-Poster2.jpg



...still a Block I configuration.

Pretty cool though.
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 10:08:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2005 10:09:40 AM EDT by u-baddog]
One more step to the big party


coldblue or kevinB
The lever at the base of the vertical post appears to flip the appitures or does it just move the small appiture out of the way to allow hole left in the housing to be used as the large appiture ?


Thats the most out of the box thinking for a BUIS I have seen.
Interested to see how it fairs with the end users.
Link Posted: 10/11/2005 10:47:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2005 10:54:55 AM EDT by altav]
I think you guys are talking about this slide...

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:18:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By u-baddog:
One more step to the big party


coldblue or kevinB
The lever at the base of the vertical post appears to flip the appitures or does it just move the small appiture out of the way to allow hole left in the housing to be used as the large appiture ?


Thats the most out of the box thinking for a BUIS I have seen.
Interested to see how it fairs with the end users.



Well, you can thank a talented young gun designer named Clint Lynch, who now works for FN in Columbia South Carolina, who developed this "out of the box" design while working for us (KAC) a couple of years ago.
There are two "levers" so to speak.
The lever at the base of the aperture stem is connected to a shaft that runs up the hollow stem.  Both apertures are machined through the head of the stem to form distinct apertures with absolutely no glare, i.e., very good sight pictures.  The lever moves left or right 90 degrees and detents strongly in either position.
The second lever is at the front of the rear sight base.  This locks the spring-loaded stem in either its down or up position.  So in the up position, you can either leave it spring loaded so it won't be damaged if an object strikes it, or lock it up if you wish.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:22:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By u-baddog:
One more step to the big party


coldblue or kevinB
The lever at the base of the vertical post appears to flip the appitures or does it just move the small appiture out of the way to allow hole left in the housing to be used as the large appiture ?


Thats the most out of the box thinking for a BUIS I have seen.
Interested to see how it fairs with the end users.



Well, you can thank a talented young gun designer named Clint Lynch, who now works for FN in Columbia South Carolina, who developed this "out of the box" design while working for us (KAC) a couple of years ago.
There are two "levers" so to speak.
The lever at the base of the aperture stem is connected to a shaft that runs up the hollow stem.  Both apertures are machined through the head of the stem to form distinct apertures with absolutely no glare, i.e., very good sight pictures.  The lever moves left or right 90 degrees and detents strongly in either position.
The second lever is at the front of the rear sight base.  This locks the spring-loaded stem in either its down or up position.  So in the up position, you can either leave it spring loaded so it won't be damaged if an object strikes it, or lock it up if you wish.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 6:11:24 AM EDT
It also appears that you can fold the sight down regardless of which aperture has been selected (unlike most of the current sights). If I am correct on that assumption then whether it deploys small aperture first or large aperture first is user preference, which is a nice touch.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:07:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 9:08:40 AM EDT by havoc]

Originally Posted By coldblue:
Well, you can thank a talented young gun designer named Clint Lynch, who now works for FN in Columbia South Carolina, who developed this "out of the box" design while working for us (KAC) a couple of years ago.



Thank you for the extremely kind words, Colonel. I'm glad to hear the concept was well received.

Keep in touch,
Clint
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:16:16 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:25:34 AM EDT
Havoc,
That is your design?  Nice Job!
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 11:01:39 AM EDT
Got any prototypes you wanna get rid of Havoc?
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