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Posted: 8/29/2005 10:59:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 1:15:08 PM EDT by Kevin]
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:28:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:38:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 11:38:36 AM EDT by Mr_Gumby]
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:41:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?



Would you like to get hit with a few bursts at CQB distance?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:46:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?



Would you like to get hit with a few bursts at CQB distance?





I didnt say that. But you DO reach a practical point where that level of compactness has a deministhing return in overall usefulness.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:49:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?



Would you like to get hit with a few bursts at CQB distance?




I didnt say that. But you DO reach a practical point where that level of compactness has a deministhing return in overall usefulness.



That's what is great about the M16 family. Two pins moved and you can go from a room clearer in a RIFLE caliber, to a precision upper for 300m headshots.

If that upper runs 100%, I would happily take it into a row house, or office clearing operation.

Your frag range is probably 15-20yds with XM193....that is 45'-60'....

Seems plenty capable in certain realms.

I'm certain it would make a good toy too......
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:29:07 PM EDT
Stick a Krink ot that thing!
(I've wanted to see a 7.5 with on since I first saw them...)

Kick Ass rig!!
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:38:06 PM EDT
would the gas tube on that thing look like this




borrowed from brownells.com
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:41:13 PM EDT
Wes,

Can you elaborate on the "special" gas tube? Any other tricks to make it run beyond what you would do on a 10.5"? The Krink should also help in the reliability department.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:12:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:17:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?



Would you like to get hit with a few bursts at CQB distance?




I didnt say that. But you DO reach a practical point where that level of compactness has a deministhing return in overall usefulness.



That's what is great about the M16 family. Two pins moved and you can go from a room clearer in a RIFLE caliber, to a precision upper for 300m headshots.

If that upper runs 100%, I would happily take it into a row house, or office clearing operation.

Your frag range is probably 15-20yds with XM193....that is 45'-60'....

Seems plenty capable in certain realms.

I'm certain it would make a good toy too......



Umm no the frag range is "probably" ZERO yards with XM193....this is 0'-0'....

Seems plenty capable of making 5.45 wound paterns.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 2:03:02 PM EDT
Wes, if you think that the cyclic rate is fast now, wait until you stick a Krink on that little bugger The Krink seems to speed them up a tad...

-Cap'n
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 2:07:26 PM EDT
Wishing I lived in a freer state.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 2:18:33 PM EDT
That's a SWEET little Bullet Hose

Incidentally , I ran my 7.5" AR Pistol upper on a board members DIAS Lower , and
about 3 mags went through like I fed it ExLax

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 2:19:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
Wishing I lived in a freer state.



I'll let you live in my shop if you'll bring your lathe
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:20:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
Umm no the frag range is "probably" ZERO yards with XM193....this is 0'-0'....

Seems plenty capable of making 5.45 wound paterns.



It should be over the 2500fps threshold, or pretty close at that distance.

Or did I miscalc?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:32:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:20:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:
Cute toy, but is it expected to be any more than that?



Would you like to get hit with a few bursts at CQB distance?





I didnt say that. But you DO reach a practical point where that level of compactness has a deministhing return in overall usefulness.



Still better then any pistol or pistol caliber subgun regardless of the drop in FPS.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:48:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 4:54:21 PM EDT by Duffy]
M2 Corporation used to make these ultra compact uppers, no FF handguard and flip up sights, here are two pics from Military Moron's site (user name and pw are: mm), the first one is 8", the lower one is 6" barrel. www.militarymorons.com/weapons/img/ff5.jpg
www.militarymorons.com/weapons/img/ff6.jpg

Click me for more pics :)

I like Wes's version better
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:15:15 PM EDT
Damn, Wes, I swear you have 2 of the greatest jobs in the world...
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:26:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:33:49 PM EDT
I like it, and I'd buy one if such a thing were possible in the USSA without a wagonload of paperwork.

It seems like about the best possible submachine un, in my opinion. I'd rather have that thing than an MP5.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:50:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:51:37 PM EDT
Wes, got a website and price for Defense Solutions Group mags? Hate to trouble you, but I can't find them under www.defensesolutionsgroup.com or searching using Google. I like the black-teflon look, and with the Magpuls — even better.

John
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:01:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 7:06:07 PM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:29:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:32:39 PM EDT
Wes, pics of the barrel and gas block? Please!
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:06:29 PM EDT
Dang.

The closest I could come to getting that would be for a pistol build.

Very cool, indeed.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:52:45 PM EDT
Hey Wes,
What end plate sling mount is that on the shortie? Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:12:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:30:57 PM EDT
Wes,

Why didn't you use a LMT upper? Should be the same with the feedramnps right? I'm definitely interested in one of these with the larue handguard. More info on the barrel, gas block and gas tube pls.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 9:54:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By esskay:
Hey Wes,
What end plate sling mount is that on the shortie? Thanks.



KAC. QD swivel on each side.

Link Posted: 8/30/2005 10:49:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Wes, pics of the barrel and gas block? Please!



I wish, but:


THE GAS BLOCK IS A PROPRIETARY DESIGN THAT ONLY FITS THIS BARREL. A SPECIAL GAS TUBE IS USED.


seemed pretty clear to me.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 10:53:04 AM EDT
Damn Wes, That is sweet!!!!
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 11:45:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:

Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Wes, pics of the barrel and gas block? Please!



I wish, but:


THE GAS BLOCK IS A PROPRIETARY DESIGN THAT ONLY FITS THIS BARREL. A SPECIAL GAS TUBE IS USED.


seemed pretty clear to me.



Maybe. I didnt read it that way, just in the simplest use of the word. You could be right though. I'm mostly just curious as to how heavy the barrel.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 12:29:23 PM EDT
That would be killer with the rebuildable SEI/Fisher DC can on that Vortex.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 12:35:03 PM EDT
Wes, that is sweet! [chuckle]Christians In Action[/chuckle]
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 3:51:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 3:54:53 AM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:29:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:33:15 AM EDT
über-über KEWL! Flying Pig on the starboard side?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 2:32:06 PM EDT
Wes, do you have an overall length with the LMT collapsed and the KFH on there? Also, how well does the barrel stabilize bullets for suppressed applications?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 3:30:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Raptor22:
Wes, that is sweet! [chuckle]Christians In Action[/chuckle]


The Army of Northern Virginia.]/i]
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 4:20:35 PM EDT
Thats one sweet machine!
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 4:29:01 PM EDT
I Likey Likey!
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 5:51:22 PM EDT
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