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Posted: 10/6/2005 2:04:54 PM EDT
I just found out that Knights was just awarded the contract for the Semi Auto sniper system.

We (82nd ABN)got the email today, so if this is old news, just ignore it.

FREE
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:25:52 PM EDT
Congratulations to KAC

That is one awesome system.

And I guess got tweaked to be better yet.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:39:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:51:00 PM EDT
id like to congratulate Cavarms too. according to Col. Lutz their SASS stock atarts life as a cav arms stock.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:04:40 PM EDT
What was wrong with the M14 and a scope on it?
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:10:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:
What was wrong with the M14 and a scope on it?



Its a poor scope platform, inaccurate (by comparison-the SR25 shoots 1/2 MOA) parts are no longer in the system and armorers are no longer trained on the platform.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:52:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:21:33 PM EDT
Dear Santa,

I've been a really really really good boy this year....
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 6:09:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:
What was wrong with the M14 and a scope on it?



The M14 is a fine weapon, but it has a few shortcomings:
1.)  Maintaining accuracy, especially with rough handling, takes more effort
2.)  Different manual of arms than the M16.  The KAC SR-25 is very similar, so not a lot of retraining is necessary
3.)  From a distance, the SR-25/AR-10/DPMS/Whatever LOOKS like an M16.  The enemy is less likely to target the guy with a different looking gun.  The enemy would know that the guy with the M14 is a bad-ass sniper, so take him out first if you get the chance.
4.)  Mounting a scope on an M14 is not as easily done as an SR-25
5.)  Modularity.  It is very easy to add/remove items to the SR-25 with a rail system.  I don't think that a rail system really exists for the M14 except for the Sage or Troy stock (both systems are very heavy I believe.)

It isn't really a knock on the M14, it just isn't setup to fulfill the needed role.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 7:17:14 PM EDT
Yea I work with the guy on the far right.

He is the DIV Master Gunner, and the person that told me about KAC winning the contract.

FREE



Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Jeez... thats cool!

photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/SASS-1_1.jpg

Link Posted: 10/6/2005 7:21:06 PM EDT
Pay attention people. THE BIG NEWS is NOT the gun. Look at that mag. It's a dedicated steel 7.62 mag designed for the AR15 style retention system. That makes all the difference IMO.

Simon
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 3:46:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Pay attention people. THE BIG NEWS is NOT the gun. Look at that mag. It's a dedicated steel 7.62 mag designed for the AR15 style retention system. That makes all the difference IMO.

Simon



Had the magazine been a problem?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:32:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Pay attention people. THE BIG NEWS is NOT the gun. Look at that mag. It's a dedicated steel 7.62 mag designed for the AR15 style retention system. That makes all the difference IMO.

Simon



Had the magazine been a problem?



Please explain more. As far as I know KAC has always made their own .308 magazines.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 5:40:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 5:43:59 AM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:
What was wrong with the M14 and a scope on it?



1) Old tech, poor ergonomics (hunting-rifle-with-a-mag design)

2) Less accurate due to gas-piston operating system and barreled-reciever-in-(ugh-WOOD)-stock design. Requires glass-bedding, and accuracy degrades as wood stock expands/contracts. AR operating system in the SR-25, combined with a reciever-supported design (a/o stock-bedded-reciever) allows for more accuracy.

3) AR-pattern weapon builds on familiarity with the M16 - everything works 'the same'

4) Much wider selection of accessories

The M14, all in all, was 'What the Garand should have been' - While it would have been a show-stopper in WWII, it was beyond it's time when adopted, and had one of the shortest lives as a standard-issue weapon in US history...

The only reason to deploy M14s in active service today is that they are allready paid for...

What SASS seems to be is a PSG-1 grade weapon - an entirely different ballpark from the warmed-over-M14-with-scope that seems to be getting some use here-and-there to fill the role of a 'designated marksman' weapon (a/o a true sniper rifle)...
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:31:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By scottinhawaii:

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Pay attention people. THE BIG NEWS is NOT the gun. Look at that mag. It's a dedicated steel 7.62 mag designed for the AR15 style retention system. That makes all the difference IMO.

Simon



Had the magazine been a problem?



Please explain more. As far as I know KAC has always made their own .308 magazines.






Hopefully Simon will clue us in to what he's talking about, because I must be missing something.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:57:14 AM EDT
Cool.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:14:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By scottinhawaii:

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Pay attention people. THE BIG NEWS is NOT the gun. Look at that mag. It's a dedicated steel 7.62 mag designed for the AR15 style retention system. That makes all the difference IMO.
Simon


Had the magazine been a problem?


Please explain more. As far as I know KAC has always made their own .308 magazines.


Hopefully Simon will clue us in to what he's talking about, because I must be missing something.


+1

SR25's have always had their own magazines.  Did they change magazines/magazine designs with the SASS/XM110?   I guess ARM-H / XM110 magazine commonality would have been too much to ask
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