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Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:05:38 AM EST
Sometimes the Internet is very amazing thing. There so many gun interested people on the Internet from any country of the world. I don't know any other domain, where people are talking to each other so freely, never minding about anything like the country they are coming from. Ar15.com is a very important source of knowledge and exange of points of view.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:09:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Vlad75:
Sometimes the Internet is very amazing thing. There so many gun interested people on the Internet from any country of the world. I don't know any other domain, where people are talking to each other so freely, never minding about anything like the country they are coming from. Ar15.com is a very important source of knowledge and exange of points of view.
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Agreed. I hate the way politicians try to drive a wedge between peoples, but at least we have ways to communicate about shared interests regardless!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:19:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlyingMailman:
Very interesting! If only the sanctions weren't in place. A Russian-made AR would be incredibly cool to have, especially with a Molot barrel. I have some Veprs from before the sanctions with the RPK-type (though 16"/40cm) heavy barrel and that thing is a tank! Molot makes some of the best barrels in the world, and I'd love to have an AR one.

As an AK fan, I'm drooling over that AKM. If you could sell that in the United States it would put quite a bit of money in your pocket. Even Russian AKM kits built here on US receivers with inferior US AK barrels go for many thousands of dollars. I have a SGL-21 (Izmash Saiga converted by Arsenal Inc to be basically a semi auto AK103) and the aforementioned Molot Vepr FMs, and I'm spoiled because no other country's AKs I've owned, shot, or handled were anywhere near the level of quality of the Russian ones, though the Bulgarian Arsenal AKs come close. I just wish we could get more. Americans can't make 100% US AKs anywhere near the quality of the imports from Russia and Bulgaria. On the other hand, it looks like Russians have figured out how to make the AR just fine! It'd be so cool to have a Russian AR15.

So before the sanctions, were there ARs imported to Russia from the US? One post above sounded like that might've been the case. If so, what brands were imported over there?
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There were some Colts, SDI's, Bushmasters. Not a whole lot, since at the time AR's were even less known and not in high demand. You can still get pretty much any US made rifle in Russia, including POF, Barrett (yea, even .50 BMG), but they are being imported through complicated channels and the cost is often prohibitive. But we've been getting some basic Savages and Colts in at about 2,5x the US MSRP recently. https://test-guns.ru/product-category/oruzhie/nareznoe-oruzhie/
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:41:44 AM EST
Is it standard to have matching serial numbers for the upper and lower receiver? Higher end companies here will keep matching receivers together sometimes but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an upper serialized.

Did you buy these as complete rifles or did you build them? If they were complete it’s interesting that they borrow from different companies and countries like that.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:52:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 2:03:51 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Soberglitch:
Is it standard to have matching serial numbers for the upper and lower receiver? Higher end companies here will keep matching receivers together sometimes but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an upper serialized.

Did you buy these as complete rifles or did you build them? If they were complete it’s interesting that they borrow from different companies and countries like that.
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It is standard, but also kind of unnecessary. Neither the lower receiver or the upper receiver is a controlled part on a rifle like this in Russia. Just the barrel and the bolt (not bolt carrier) are. On an AK and other guns the receiver is a controlled part as well. It has to do with the law largely being based around AK-type rifles, where the receiver is actively involved in lockup.

AR Lowers are definitely sold freely in Russia with no issues. You can buy a fancy one off Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CH0Iy5gruyN/



More stuff by this guy, some of which US customers could actually legally purchase: https://www.instagram.com/gladman.guns/

They were both sold as complete rifles. I changed charging handles, triggers, safety selectors, stocks, grips, trigger guards, endplates and the handguard on the second rifle, but that's it.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:53:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Deussne:
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Your laws are less strict than some states in the US. How ironic. Do you own any Russian pattern firearms?
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I was thinking the same thing. Also, from what he said, it doesn't look like they even enforce their laws.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 2:06:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Soberglitch:
Is it standard to have matching serial numbers for the upper and lower receiver?
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I always figured it was for the same reason that pistols made in Europe have to have the slide, barrel, and frame serialized even though in the US it's just the frame that requires it, but its interesting to learn that that's not the case.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 5:11:25 AM EST
What about handgun ownership? How's that work?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 5:33:06 AM EST
This sad af when you realize that rifle wouldn’t be legal in Ca lol
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 5:48:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chrisprays:
This sad af when you realize that rifle wouldn’t be legal in Ca lol
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Was thinking the same.

Very cool OP, thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 6:12:04 AM EST
The world is really coming to its end... Americans that want & mfg AKs... Russians that want & mfg ARs.. what’s next?

Btw where are the components made? In Russia or outsourced?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 6:28:10 AM EST
Very cool thread, those AR's look really nice, cool markings in Russian. The AK is a thing of beauty. Can you keep them at home, any storage restrictions?

Welcome to the board.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 6:35:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

Thanks. Nope, born and raised in Russia. I had private language lessons as a kid, and then I practiced by reading forums and articles and consuming a lot of Youtube videos and American TV shows.
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Outstanding. That's how I learned my English (I'm an Italian US born and brought back to Italy upon birth - came back stateside 6 years ago at 45) and I was wondering myself if you were American; couldn't tell.

English is essential (and my favorite language in the world), but I enjoy Russian as well, having a few Russian friends here in the US (they all fled Russia 30+years ago)

pitzdetz and stay away from socialism

Cheers


Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:17:58 AM EST
Saw some suppressors for sale on one of the Instagram post. What are the rules regarding suppressors?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:20:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 7:22:32 AM EST by M4]
One of the most interesting threads I've seen in a long time on here.

Thank you for sharing all of this.

If you have other photos, experiene and comments about Russian guns, I'd love to see what you have.

And your English is every bit as good as the majority of Americans and better in many cases. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to learn Russian as good as your English is.




Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:27:34 AM EST
@Wasd3r
Any M1 Carbines or M1 Garands floating about Russia?

Great thread!!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:31:22 AM EST
Thanks for sharing & welcome to the group.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:38:52 AM EST
very cool op

i thought all you guys were given a f/a ak at birth tho
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:47:14 AM EST
Are there magazine capacity limits in Russia?

Or does it vary by region like in the US?

Also, please send me some Molot parts kits in the mail.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:56:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SubSonic1836:
Are there magazine capacity limits in Russia?

Or does it vary by region like in the US?

Also, please send me some Molot parts kits in the mail.
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Originally Posted By SubSonic1836:
Are there magazine capacity limits in Russia?

Or does it vary by region like in the US?

Also, please send me some Molot parts kits in the mail.



Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a Chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use standard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.

Link Posted: 1/14/2021 8:17:45 AM EST
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That part in red: Fuck yeah, ‘Merica! Well, er...fuck yeah Rushaa!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 8:29:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use standard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
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What are the Russian laws on muzzleloading firearms that use separate flint/cap, powder, and lead ball to shoot. Not original antiques but modern made replica's generally from Italy(ie Pedersoli and Uberti) of the 1750 - 1860 era?

Such as this?




Link Posted: 1/14/2021 9:47:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
What about handgun ownership? How's that work?
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No handguns, other that rubber-bullet-only ones with built-in barrel obstructions so as not to allow a hard object to go through. Also called "trauma pistols" in Russia. They suck, and the ammo for them that is sold is mandated to be no more powerful than 91 Joules.



Only way for an individual to get a proper handgun to own is to be "rewarded" by the state. Like with a medal or something, and a handgun may come with that. There's only 17000 people like that in the whole country.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 9:52:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cwm1150:
Very cool thread, those AR's look really nice, cool markings in Russian. The AK is a thing of beauty. Can you keep them at home, any storage restrictions?

Welcome to the board.
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Yea, you're supposed to keep these home in a safe. A safe is defined at a minimum as a box with metal plates fixed onto it. So the requirements are very nominal. A policeman was supposed to come check out the storage conditions once every year (now every 5 years), but that rarely actually happens, since the type of cops tasked with this have a lot of other work to do. So you end up just sending them pictures of the safe, and they sign off on the form saying you've been checked. These forms were required once a year for a new gun purchase.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 9:57:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Yumago:
Saw some suppressors for sale on one of the Instagram post. What are the rules regarding suppressors?
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Suppressors are banned for civilian ownership and sale. So the solution is just to not call them suppressors. One popular definiton is a "closed-type muzzle brake", another a "sound moderator". That way they're sold freely like any other non-licensed gun-related part.

They function more or less as actual suppressors, but not all of them are highly effective, since it's a gray area and some companies don't want too much attention from the state for their products wrecking the supposed intent of the law too openly.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 10:03:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JLS81:
@Wasd3r
Any M1 Carbines or M1 Garands floating about Russia?

Great thread!!
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There's some, but they are super rare. Just found a thread on a russian forum of a guy selling a 1951 Garand for $9000 two years ago. Didn't seem to garner much interest. https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/187/2328799.html
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 10:07:06 AM EST
I'd love to see Molot barrels in the US. Some of the best barrelmakers in the world over there.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 10:27:08 AM EST
How do IPSC clubs work in Russia today. Are you able to keep a pistol at the club?

Link Posted: 1/14/2021 10:42:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wganz:
What are the Russian laws on muzzleloading firearms that use separate flint/cap, powder, and lead ball to shoot. Not original antiques but modern made replica's generally from Italy(ie Pedersoli and Uberti) of the 1750 - 1860 era?

Such as this?
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/storage/app/uploads/public/5fa/017/ba9/5fa017ba9c49a893816990.jpeg



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Don't know much about these, but I believe you only need to be 18 and don't need a license to buy muzzleloaders in Russia. You still won't be able to buy powder without a shotgun licence though.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 10:49:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gene_wi:
How do IPSC clubs work in Russia today. Are you able to keep a pistol at the club?

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There's a lot of people shooting IPSC-type matches with pistols as well as shotguns and rifles. Many more with pistols, actually.

For that you don't need a license. Either rent guns from a range, or have a range buy a pistol that only you get to use. Don't know what the deal is currenly with transferring guns from range to range and taking them to matches. I imagine it's a bit of a pain in the ass.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 11:25:39 AM EST
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OP here's my US made Vityaz clone. Kind of in the theme of the thread, I think.


Link Posted: 1/14/2021 11:47:21 AM EST
GREAT thread!!

Thank you for sharing all the pictures and other information.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 11:58:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:
OP here's my US made Vityaz clone. Kind of in the theme of the thread, I think.


https://i.ibb.co/Wgvgw3P/20210105-212420.jpg
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I see your American Vityaz, and I raise you a Russian TechKrim AR that takes Vityaz (Saiga-9) mags.

Meet TK509





Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:19:43 PM EST
Are you a Slaughter to Prevail, HardBass or Grai kind of guy?

I'd like to see pics of the semi only conversion to the AKM if you wouldn't mind?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:31:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kes7u:
GREAT thread!!

Thank you for sharing all the pictures and other information.
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I don't know, this whole thing seems like russian collusion.  Have we checked with Nancy Pelosi yet?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:36:14 PM EST
Is it against ITAR to buy this guy a membership?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:50:34 PM EST
I want some Bakelite AR parts and mags. That’s a type of Russian collusion I could get behind.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:59:01 PM EST
Well that's beyond cool, someone go ping psa, we need Russian pattern lowers stat!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:42:10 PM EST
Thanks for sharing.

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Link Posted: 1/14/2021 2:06:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:


I see your American Vityaz, and I raise you a Russian TechKrim AR that takes Vityaz (Saiga-9) mags.

Meet TK509
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What’s sad is that Saiga 9’s being imported to the US was in the works before the sanctions hit. We were so close to having real Russian Vityazs.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 2:19:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a Chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use standard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
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Amazing.  You have greater freedom to own ARs and AKs than I have in my state.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 2:35:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:  I see your American Vityaz, and I raise you a Russian TechKrim AR that takes Vityaz (Saiga-9) mags.

Meet TK509

https://i.imgur.com/4HPh7aR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OmsUmHh.jpg

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That's an interesting looking spacer/guide at the back of the recoil spring.  Know anything about it?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 3:27:52 PM EST
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Dang OP is pretty cool.

I will request the following.


More Pictures of what a Russian Gun Shop looks like along with ranges.

What is Russia's largest online Gun Forums? Any that we as Americans can see.

How is American Arms viewed in Russia?
Both Modern & Historical

And lastly

How many Russian Police or special military groups use the AR15 currently?

Link Posted: 1/14/2021 4:31:42 PM EST
Question:

Do Russian cops carry off duty?

Do retired Russian cops get to keep their guns?

Are there collector permits?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 4:38:49 PM EST
Thanks for posting from Mother Russia...quick question.  I see your upper is marked ".223"...can you fire 5.56mm out of your AR?  

Really cool ARs BTW...thanks for posting Bro!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:15:38 PM EST
Very cool ...

I play escape from tarkov

And they have Adar in it they say it was made from Israel semi auto only along with the parts


I thought it was a myth but I guess not very cool.  


Welcome aboard comrade and thanks for sharing
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 7:22:02 PM EST
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Awesome posts, OP.
Thanks for sharing and welcome.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 8:34:16 PM EST
Informative thread delivers!
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

There's some, but they are super rare. Just found a thread on a russian forum of a guy selling a 1951 Garand for $9000 two years ago. Didn't seem to garner much interest. https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/187/2328799.html
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9K dang!! Explains the low interest.

@Wasd3r thanks for the best AR15 thread is quite some time. 2 nights in a row you have taken the mind off our historical political free fall to the abyss.

Much apprecited!!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 9:40:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:


It is standard, but also kind of unnecessary. Neither the lower receiver or the upper receiver is a controlled part on a rifle like this in Russia. Just the barrel and the bolt (not bolt carrier) are. On an AK and other guns the receiver is a controlled part as well. It has to do with the law largely being based around AK-type rifles, where the receiver is actively involved in lockup.

AR Lowers are definitely sold freely in Russia with no issues. You can buy a fancy one off Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CH0Iy5gruyN/

https://4range.ru/images/thumbnails/1080/1080/detailed/74/loverdlyaar-3.png

More stuff by this guy, some of which US customers could actually legally purchase: https://www.instagram.com/gladman.guns/

They were both sold as complete rifles. I changed charging handles, triggers, safety selectors, stocks, grips, trigger guards, endplates and the handguard on the second rifle, but that's it.
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
Originally Posted By Soberglitch:
Is it standard to have matching serial numbers for the upper and lower receiver? Higher end companies here will keep matching receivers together sometimes but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an upper serialized.

Did you buy these as complete rifles or did you build them? If they were complete it’s interesting that they borrow from different companies and countries like that.


It is standard, but also kind of unnecessary. Neither the lower receiver or the upper receiver is a controlled part on a rifle like this in Russia. Just the barrel and the bolt (not bolt carrier) are. On an AK and other guns the receiver is a controlled part as well. It has to do with the law largely being based around AK-type rifles, where the receiver is actively involved in lockup.

AR Lowers are definitely sold freely in Russia with no issues. You can buy a fancy one off Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CH0Iy5gruyN/

https://4range.ru/images/thumbnails/1080/1080/detailed/74/loverdlyaar-3.png

More stuff by this guy, some of which US customers could actually legally purchase: https://www.instagram.com/gladman.guns/

They were both sold as complete rifles. I changed charging handles, triggers, safety selectors, stocks, grips, trigger guards, endplates and the handguard on the second rifle, but that's it.


That lower is gorgeous! I just spent the last 15min scrolling through his IG page and I had to follow. That guy builds some beautiful guns and is incredibly skilled. I so wish I could buy one of those receiver sets.

This thread is awesome and incredibly insightful, majors thanks to OP for creating this thread and being so open and willing to ask all of our questions.

Now one question myself. Can someone who wasn't born in Russia able to own rifles and shotguns, after becoming a citizen of course, or can only Russian born citizens own firearms?

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