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Posted: 8/24/2006 1:53:24 PM EDT
I notice on some AR's there looks to be 2 rivets and saftey wire on the lower reciever right above the trigger. I have 2 RRA and 1 bushmaster and they don't have them. Anybody help out a noob.
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 1:58:14 PM EDT


google KNS AR15 anti rotation pins
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 1:58:24 PM EDT
I don't think I understand, but is there any chance you are referring to the KNS anti-walk non-rotation trigger pins lots of folks here have?



Someone else's image I found here by Google search, by the way.
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 3:22:36 PM EDT
That is what I was talking about I'll google and read up on it..Thanks
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 3:42:24 PM EDT
Paging MARKM.... MARKM to the thread please.
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 3:57:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stainless:
Paging MARKM.... MARKM to the thread please.


I'll try channelling him..... Here he is...


Originally Posted By markm:
I'll never understand why some folks must light their own money on fire. PROPERLY installed springs will not allow the original pins to walk out.

Adding this junk to your weapon is just adding another system to have to worry about.


Actually I just put a set in today with a LMT 2 stage trugger...
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 4:56:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 5:14:55 PM EDT
Some where I have seen longer pins with holes in them which the wire was run thru and twisted

Mike
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 6:00:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 6:21:03 PM EDT
I found the pic above by searching the site with my Google toolbar using "KNS" as the search term.

Here's the thread (in a quote from ruggerwterrets):
Google cached version of an AR15.com Lite page
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 6:22:19 PM EDT
I just had to look in on a thread about safety wire. But alas, it's not. It's about antirotating pins. You will find safety wire on most M60s, and in some other applications, but not with ARs.

I have some great memories, and not a few scars, from safety wire...
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 6:58:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 7:32:21 PM EDT
Nice piece of mind for my M16

Link Posted: 8/25/2006 12:06:08 AM EDT
we used to use safety wire on red dots and ir devices. worked much better than 550 guts. never seen anyone else do it though. beats getting online and walking the training areas looking for lost sensitive items.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 4:02:05 AM EDT
In all my 12+ years of shooting M16's both in the military and other agencys I have never had or seen a pin "walk out". Seems to me to be a way to get people to spend money on gadget to fix a non-existent problem.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:03:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cyclone-7:
In all my 12+ years of shooting M16's both in the military and other agencys I have never had or seen a pin "walk out". Seems to me to be a way to get people to spend money on gadget to fix a non-existent problem.
I have.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:12:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/25/2006 5:13:25 AM EDT by markm]
KNS =

Don't waste your money.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:34:10 AM EDT
if you spent all the money for an NFA M16 lower what's another $40?

for semi-auto safe queen internet centerfold AR's it's just another part to brag about having... like the D-fender, crane o-rings, HK style sights, all chrome bolt and bolt carrier, enidine buffer, etc...

it could be worse... you could be wasting your money on airsoft SOPMOD stocks and chinese aimpoint knockoffs...
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:48:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4-TUNA:

Originally Posted By Cyclone-7:
In all my 12+ years of shooting M16's both in the military and other agencys I have never had or seen a pin "walk out". Seems to me to be a way to get people to spend money on gadget to fix a non-existent problem.
I have.


Ive broken 4 hammer pins...
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:50:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hellbound:
if you spent all the money for an NFA M16 lower what's another $40?


You have a point. I'm developing a reliability potion that you sprinkle on your weapon to guarantee trouble free shooting. It will cost $40 too!

Link Posted: 8/25/2006 5:55:59 AM EDT
Cost=$29, not much if it keeps your lower good to go for many hundreds of thousands of rounds or more.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 7:34:02 AM EDT
I never thought I'd see it happen but that all changed with an XM16E1 that was issued to a friend of mine. Trigger pin walked out on full auto fire about half a dozen times, that was a bit of a pain in the ass to fix in the field with only a gerber the first time However this was a clapped out XM16E1.
On a semi AR15, especially a new weapon it's a waste of mone y. I had them once, sold em, not worth it. However if you have a RR or perhaps a Cali legal reciever or some other unique circumstances, they might be worth it. I do have the KNS stainless pins and they are very nice, dunno if i'd buy em but I got them in a deal with a Stag lpk, good stuff.

Steve
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 8:46:36 AM EDT
I got an LMT 2 stage trigger and added $25 for "Non-Rotational" KNS pins.

If someone is going to worry about the smoothness of their trigger pull, this seems like a simple add-on that should keep things more consistent.

"Anti-Walk" and "Saving Your Lower" are not benifits. That would be like buying an insurance policy at $30 for an item that cost $100.
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 9:46:33 AM EDT



By the way, WELCOME to the BRD !!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 10:00:30 AM EDT
flying a OH58 A+ closes thing I could think of was rivets and safety wire.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:15:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 12:39:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:
Rivets and safety wire..................I thought we were gonna be talking helicopter talk!


Or M60 gas pistons!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 2:09:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2006 2:15:28 PM EDT by QUIB]
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 4:34:05 PM EDT
I actually like my rivets and safety wire.
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