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Posted: 1/2/2003 3:21:35 PM EST
OK, this is the rimfire forum so I'll throw this out...
I went to the outdoor range on New years eve, brought my HB 10/22 w/ 6x18 scope. I was shooting 2.5 - 3.00 groups with CCI mini mags. Is this common group size? Do most folks shoot rimfire at 50 yds? A couple guys mentioned that the rifle was the most accurate 10/22 they have ever seen, and at 50 yds, I'd agree. 2.5 - 3.0" groups ain't all that impressive to me but at 100 yds I'm unsure of what a "good group" size is.
I tried using Rem subsonic but I ran out of elevation adjustment. The mini mags left me about 2" of elevation. Its obvious that high velocity .22 lr shoots much flatter that the subsonic stuff.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 9:02:42 AM EST
I have a regular 10/22 and it will only do about 2.5" at 100 yards, but my Winchester Model 75 Target gun will almost always blow 5 rounds into an inch at 100 yards. The best five shot group was 1/2" at 100yards with CCI Mini Mag HP's.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 2:49:41 PM EST
Using Fed 22 (Fed 550 round box from Wally World) and iron sights, loop sling, I got a M-2 Springfield that shot a 1 1/2" group (vertical string) that was 1/2" tall at 100 yards. It's me and my unsteadiness and in the hands of a better shot, I'm sure it can do better.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 2:58:14 PM EST
I dont think cheap federal ammo is ever going to *reliably* do better than 1.5 MOA. Just aint gonna happen. I consistently get 2.5 to 3" groups at 100.... the .22LR round just isn't going to be a sub MOA round out to 100 yards, like it can be out to 50.... At least that is my experience. I would really like to see someone who can *average* sub-MOA in *5* shot groups, with any .22LR.... especially cheap hi-vel ammo.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 4:42:22 PM EST
I had a chance to try out a friends Savage heavy barreled bolt gun in .17 HRM last weekend. Even with the lawyers trigger ( approx. 7lb.) we both shot groups in the 3/4" range at 100 yds. At 50 yds. we made ratty holes. The rifle had a 3-9x40 scope. I have no doubt that a little work on the trigger, and some better optics, would reduce group size. Too bad ammo is $10 a box/50.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 5:03:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/5/2003 5:09:21 PM EST by crumabn]
although I've never shot a group at 100 yds With my 10/22 RBI, With the cheap tasco ($25 at dicks) and federal ammo, I can bust a clay every time at 100. so I'd guess I'm getting at least a 5" group. This is all offhand or sandbagged. I had some remington cheap stuff, and was lucky to hit at all with it. I could count nearly to two before seeing the impact. edited to add: When I zeroed at 50 yds prior to squirrel season, I got groups just around an inch with the same rifle, so in theory, I should get 2" groups at 100- in theory.
Link Posted: 1/6/2003 8:39:48 AM EST
A few years ago I did some shooting at 100 yards with an Anchutz Model 54 Rifle using RWS R50 ammo and a 24 power target scope. I was shooting about one inch or a little less 10 shot groups. Any wind and the group starts to spread. I've got centerfire rifles that I would rebarrel if they ever shot that bad. The 22 rimfire is just showing it's age. Freedom Isn't Free Doug
Link Posted: 1/6/2003 3:21:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By VAshooter: A few years ago I did some shooting at 100 yards with an Anchutz Model 54 Rifle using RWS R50 ammo and a 24 power target scope. I was shooting about one inch or a little less 10 shot groups. Any wind and the group starts to spread. I've got centerfire rifles that I would rebarrel if they ever shot that bad. The 22 rimfire is just showing it's age. Doug
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Are you serious? Less than an inch at 100 yds isn't what you'd consider good? Man, I'd be happy as hell to have a 1" three shot group at 100 yds with a RF. Where in VA are you at? I've got to up my standards...
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 5:26:42 AM EST
I dont think cheap federal ammo is ever going to *reliably* do better than 1.5 MOA. Just aint gonna happen.
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It reliably does 1.15" at *50* in my Marlin bolt-action. That's 2.3 MOA, but I doubt it'd stay that good out to 100. Theoretically PowerPoints would be under 2" for me at 100, but I've never tried. I think the Velocitor would be the best .22LR for 100 yards, in terms of trajectory.
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 5:49:12 AM EST
I've customized my 10/22 with a trigger job and Kimber Custom bull barrel. Using Eley Target ammo I get 1/2" groups from the rest at 100 yards. One group I covered with a 45 ACP casing. I've gone thru a lot of expensive ammo to find that the Eley works the best in my gun. I am no good offhand though 1 1/2-3"at best.
Link Posted: 1/8/2003 7:22:37 AM EST
Of course I'm serious. I'm talking about a $2000 target rifle and $9.00 a box target ammo with a 24 power scope that runs about $800 now. 22 Rifles are very ammo sensetive and I was testing different brands and lot numbers to see what shot best. When you are talking really high quality hardware and ammo I think minute of angle 10 shot groups are just so so. I don't trust 3 shot groups to tell you anything because you can get some very small groups out of rifles that won't shoot under a minute if you keep shooting for 5 or 10 shots. For comparison I have bolt action .223 and .308 cal rifles that will shoot well under 1/2 minute with good ammo consistantly. I live in Richmond and shoot at Black Creek and Cavalier Gun Club. Freedom Isn't Free Doug
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