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Posted: 9/12/2023 10:34:35 AM EST
I've searched and read a ton of threads but I'm looking for a more specific answer.

I'd like to stock up on 77gr OTM ammo for higher volume shooting at the range and not quite as concerned with extreme precision or extreme FPS consistency.

I'm just looking for the best option for reliable ammo that doesn't blow primers or has regular failures.



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Link Posted: 9/12/2023 10:40:37 AM EST
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I have about 500 rounds of aac 77 otm down the tube without failure yet.

But I know people that have. I hope PSA can reign the quality in a little bit. Everyone wants mk262 for 10.99
Link Posted: 9/12/2023 10:51:55 AM EST
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I have about 500 rounds of aac 77 otm down the tube without failure yet.

But I know people that have. I hope PSA can reign the quality in a little bit. Everyone wants mk262 for 10.99
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Thanks for the feedback.

I'd really love to give AAC a try - PSA seems like they're always trying to make sure they're delivering a good product but I've had some major ammo failures (with other brands, not AAC/PSA) in the past that make me hesitant.

I've seen a lot of complaints about IMI as well.
Link Posted: 9/12/2023 11:11:48 AM EST
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I'd like to stock up on 77gr OTM ammo for higher volume shooting at the range and not quite as concerned with extreme precision or extreme FPS consistency.

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Why? One of the primary benefits of 77gr is precision. If you don't need that, why waste the money? Train with 55gr and and reserve 77gr for whatever is "real" to you.... competition, classes, etc.

And to answer your actual question, Defender Ammo had their 77gr reman for $490/case last week. 49cpr. That's nearly pre-covid pricing.
Link Posted: 9/12/2023 11:18:41 AM EST
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Why? One of the primary benefits of 77gr is precision. If you don't need that, why waste the money? Train with 55gr and and reserve 77gr for whatever is "real" to you.... competition, classes, etc.

And to answer your actual question, Defender Ammo had their 77gr reman for $490/case last week. 49cpr. That's nearly pre-covid pricing.
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I'm not saying that I want to buy 4 MOA 77gr - there's still inherent performance with a 77 OTM round. I'm just OK with running something more affordable than my BHA that isn't quite as good.
Link Posted: 9/12/2023 1:35:10 PM EST
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Privi has a 75gr.
There are also 75gr Hornady OTM bullets loaded by many manufacturers.
Again AAC has their own 77gr OTM, and also a load with Hornadys 75gr.

The Privi used to be decently cheap, but doesnt seem so anymore.
Link Posted: 9/13/2023 4:29:37 AM EST
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AAC is fine. It is about 1 MOA as well. Just cull any bad cases and stock up.

I have had good luck with IMI Razorcore as well.

I agree you should just use 55 grain for 25y and in offhand shooting. The ballistics are no different at that range and accuracy does not matter. Even 4 MOA ammo holds an inch at 25 yards.
Link Posted: 9/13/2023 11:36:13 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/13/2023 12:02:38 PM EST
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Loadermonkey does a lot of 77otm for the service rifle crowd.
Link Posted: 9/13/2023 7:01:01 PM EST
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I have shot a lot of AAC ammo in various flavors. I have used their 75 grain stuff very successfully. I want to support them as a company who is bringing the goods. They just came out with .308 now too. How bad ass.


I just got some 77 grain I will be trying out very soon.
Link Posted: 9/13/2023 7:30:24 PM EST
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I've been shooting the IMI Razorcore stuff lately.  Been getting it from Midway.  It is consistent sub MOA in my WOA 18" barrel.

I took the rifle and ammo to visit my son in Montana this summer.  Steel at 500 yards was no problem.
Link Posted: 9/13/2023 9:03:23 PM EST
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Thanks for the feedback.

I'd really love to give AAC a try - PSA seems like they're always trying to make sure they're delivering a good product but I've had some major ammo failures (with other brands, not AAC/PSA) in the past that make me hesitant.

I've seen a lot of complaints about IMI as well.
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which 77gr loads have you had major failures with?

AAC 77gr SMK is $0.75/rnd and AAC 77gr OTM is $0.55/rnd. Both are MOA-ish loads. Just use one of those and save your BH

Link Posted: 9/14/2023 10:37:08 AM EST
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which 77gr loads have you had major failures with?

AAC 77gr SMK is $0.75/rnd and AAC 77gr OTM is $0.55/rnd. Both are MOA-ish loads. Just use one of those and save your BH

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Never with 77gr.

I've had major failures with M855 and M193 before which make me hesitant when I read some reviews about blown primers and case failures.

I ordered some IMI Razorcore and will order some AAC 77gr SMK to test out at this point. Only way to know, I guess.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 11:50:22 AM EST
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Never with 77gr.

I've had major failures with M855 and M193 before which make me hesitant when I read some reviews about blown primers and case failures.

I ordered some IMI Razorcore and will order some AAC 77gr SMK to test out at this point. Only way to know, I guess.
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There were some blown primers in the first lot of SMK I believe. They have reduced their loads a little since then.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 8:16:18 PM EST
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Never with 77gr.

I've had major failures with M855 and M193 before which make me hesitant when I read some reviews about blown primers and case failures.

I ordered some IMI Razorcore and will order some AAC 77gr SMK to test out at this point. Only way to know, I guess.
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which 77gr loads have you had major failures with?

AAC 77gr SMK is $0.75/rnd and AAC 77gr OTM is $0.55/rnd. Both are MOA-ish loads. Just use one of those and save your BH


Never with 77gr.

I've had major failures with M855 and M193 before which make me hesitant when I read some reviews about blown primers and case failures.

I ordered some IMI Razorcore and will order some AAC 77gr SMK to test out at this point. Only way to know, I guess.


Out of curiosity, what spec chamber do you have?

If you are getting blown primers with multiple different 5.56 loads, you might have a .223 or Wylde chamber causing excess pressure with 5.56 spec ammo.
Link Posted: 9/18/2023 2:17:17 PM EST
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Out of curiosity, what spec chamber do you have?

If you are getting blown primers with multiple different 5.56 loads, you might have a .223 or Wylde chamber causing excess pressure with 5.56 spec ammo.
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It's 5.56 NATO but interesting development on this one - I may have a headspace issue with the rifle that these problems were happening in.
Link Posted: 9/18/2023 9:30:28 PM EST
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It's 5.56 NATO but interesting development on this one - I may have a headspace issue with the rifle that these problems were happening in.
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Out of curiosity, what spec chamber do you have?

If you are getting blown primers with multiple different 5.56 loads, you might have a .223 or Wylde chamber causing excess pressure with 5.56 spec ammo.


It's 5.56 NATO but interesting development on this one - I may have a headspace issue with the rifle that these problems were happening in.


That could be it.
Link Posted: 9/19/2023 10:23:35 AM EST
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That could be it.
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Sending the rifle to FN so their armorers can verify.
Link Posted: 10/2/2023 1:07:11 PM EST
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I had a quick trip to the range to test out a new optic - 100 rounds of AAC 77gr SMK.

Functioned flawlessly, can't make too many comments about precision because I wasn't shooting very far but it looks promising.

Hoping to do a longer trip and test out some S&B, AAC, IMI that I got to compare to BHA.
Link Posted: 10/9/2023 3:00:59 PM EST
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This was 10 rounds of AAC 77 262 off a folding table in the desert. I pulled one, oops.

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AAC 75 grain. Shot a 20 round box at 100 yards
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From shooting a bunch of their 77 and 75, they are the best value out there
Link Posted: 10/10/2023 2:02:33 PM EST
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Buy once cry once. Loading mags as I type this.
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Link Posted: 10/12/2023 2:26:59 PM EST
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This was 10 rounds of AAC 77 262 off a folding table in the desert. I pulled one, oops.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/9EB48EA7-8E31-46FA-8528-2F34B26B3B36_jpe-2985160.JPG

AAC 75 grain. Shot a 20 round box at 100 yards
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From shooting a bunch of their 77 and 75, they are the best value out there
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Definitely looking like it.

Will give the Razorcore a shot this weekend.
Link Posted: 10/13/2023 3:42:42 PM EST
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