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Posted: 12/16/2021 8:20:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jtb33]
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Since the AR15 BCG is a key part of an FRT working correctly, those MG42's likely wouldn't work - at least not as a drop-in without significant modification.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:35:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Malum-Prohibitum: For those of us who do not know what we are looking at, could you please explain? This is a user installable, adjustable trigger bar for the FRT15 trigger. This address the trigger bar spring issue, dead hammer/light primer strikes due to early trip issue and reset issues. All in one part, anyone can install. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 9:20:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lexustech48]
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Posted: 12/19/2021 5:17:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: This is a user installable, adjustable trigger bar for the FRT15 trigger. This address the trigger bar spring issue, dead hammer/light primer strikes due to early trip issue and reset issues. All in one part, anyone can install. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: Originally Posted By Malum-Prohibitum: For those of us who do not know what we are looking at, could you please explain? This is a user installable, adjustable trigger bar for the FRT15 trigger. This address the trigger bar spring issue, dead hammer/light primer strikes due to early trip issue and reset issues. All in one part, anyone can install. Would this be a fix for 9mm ramped BCGs? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2021 9:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: This is a user installable, adjustable trigger bar for the FRT15 trigger. This address the trigger bar spring issue, dead hammer/light primer strikes due to early trip issue and reset issues. All in one part, anyone can install. Thanks for the explanation. I admire your ingenuity. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 10:03:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: This is a user installable, adjustable trigger bar for the FRT15 trigger. This address the trigger bar spring issue, dead hammer/light primer strikes due to early trip issue and reset issues. All in one part, anyone can install. Ingenious design. Is there an ETA? |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2021 11:10:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: Ingenious design. Is there an ETA? Soon I hope. January 1 was supposed to be the date |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 1:03:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: Not great news. An FRT-15 hit the AFT forfeiture list posted today. Search for FRT or "Cody Gerken" of Iowa. I'm not sure if that means the raids have started, he voluntarily surrendered it, or what? It would be interesting to know. The FBI, BATFE, DEA, US Marshalls, ICE, Border Patrol, Homeland Security routinely investigate, raid, arrest and prosecute all sorts of people for all sorts of crimes. Based on the inventories posted in your bulletin it looks like prohibited persons in possession of firearms, or drug raids that found arms and ammo on scene. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2021 1:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: Soon I hope. January 1 was supposed to be the date Need to beat the ATF and any enforcement action . . . |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2021 4:49:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Called BIG DADDY UNLIMITED today to see if they had an ETA for the release of the Graves V2 ART trigger,
and they said 'No'. Sounds like they are clueless on any info from Graves. I think there was just the one prototype made, and nothing has been done after that. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 7:32:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AK_Mike]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: Anyone know of a glock mag cut 9mm bolt assembly that will work with this trigger? |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2021 11:10:57 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK_Mike: PSA Gen4 9mm ramped bolt works fantastic with the RBT. I use Glock mags in an Aero receiver set both dedicated mag well, and one with a converter adaptor. I'm running suppressed most of the time so I use a 12oz buffer and Wolf extra power buffer spring. It works fine with an 8.8oz buffer as well, but the 12 is smoother when suppressed. Thanks gentlemen. I'm gonna try a psa bolt. Ill be running it with an mvb arc stock and its proprietary buffer. I dont recall what brand my current bolt even is |
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Posted: 12/25/2021 12:46:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK_Mike: PSA Gen4 9mm ramped bolt works fantastic with the RBT. I use Glock mags in an Aero receiver set both dedicated mag well, and one with a converter adaptor. I'm running suppressed most of the time so I use a 12oz buffer and Wolf extra power buffer spring. It works fine with an 8.8oz buffer as well, but the 12 is smoother when suppressed. What gun are you using it in? Never had much interest I'm 9mm AR's but a super short barreled pistol setup would be pretty slick. |
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Posted: 12/25/2021 1:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emt1581: What gun are you using it in? Never had much interest I'm 9mm AR's but a super short barreled pistol setup would be pretty slick.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/25/2021 4:57:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Emt1581]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I went with a 4" barrel on my 9mm AR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20211212_145517_jpeg-2216430.JPG I'm thinking a 4" on top of a RBT would be a hoot at the range and significantly more controllable than 5.56. What can I stick in a 5.56 mag well to accept glock mags? Thanks |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2021 2:46:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emt1581: I'm thinking a 4" on top of a RBT would be a hoot at the range and significantly more controllable than 5.56. What can I stick in a 5.56 mag well to accept glock mags? Thanks Stern Defense is one of the adapters most highly spoken of. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 3:16:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AK_Mike]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emt1581: What gun are you using it in? Never had much interest I'm 9mm AR's but a super short barreled pistol setup would be pretty slick.    Green laser and shooting some old Vector tracer |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 8:37:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: IOd pay cash for one right now. I dont want records This! |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 7:52:58 PM EDT
[#19]
My local gunstore got a load of RB FRT's in and are selling them, cash only, cause that's the customers want
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Posted: 1/3/2022 11:38:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EggyMean]
[#20]
I’m no lawyer, but it looks like Big Daddy Unlimited is gonna get their PP smacked for copying the FRT (PDF Warning):
Big L Unlimited |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2022 12:49:31 PM EDT
[#21]
So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly.
Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 12:53:11 PM EDT
[#22]
Overtravel can be fixed with a simple pin inside the spring. Fifteen cents and ten minutes of time. Really pretty simple to ensure it doesn't have problems kinking the spring.
It would be nice to see Rare Breed include it from the factory to ensure people don't experience the issue. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2022 1:09:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat Welcome to earth, thats how a patent works... A pharmaceutical company that does the R&D to develop a good product can selling a pill for $50 that cost them probably half a cent to make |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat Show me on the AR where the trigger touched you. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat So don't buy one and don't get raped, I guess? I needed a heavier buffer, other than that my only cost has been ammo! I felt the price was acceptable for me to get a couple, feel free to buy or not |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat Is this a BDU alt? All you do is shill for copycats |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:36:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EggyMean: Is this a BDU alt? All you do is shill for copycats He’s been spewing his garbage all over this thread for some time now… |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loon_138: So don't buy one and don't get raped, I guess? I needed a heavier buffer, other than that my only cost has been ammo! I felt the price was acceptable for me to get a couple, feel free to buy or not Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loon_138: Originally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat So don't buy one and don't get raped, I guess? I needed a heavier buffer, other than that my only cost has been ammo! I felt the price was acceptable for me to get a couple, feel free to buy or not I bought a couple of different weight buffers and a stronger buffer spring. That's it. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 3:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat I didn't know I was supposed to spend 150+ to make my working triggers do more workings 
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Posted: 1/6/2022 4:29:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cressida: So basically, the judge says that RB has the right to continue raping people who want one of their poorly designed triggers, that requires $150+ worth of improvements to function correctly. Hopefully BD will now release the Graves V2, which hopefully is new design altogether. More than one way to skin a cat Why the hatred for Rare Breed Triggers? They are the people that deserve our support! They are defending their product AND protecting their client list in court. Please explain why we should trust BDU for the WOT or Graves 2 trigger? Do you think they would put up a dime to fight in court like RBT, or roll over tits up and turn over customer lists? Do you think BDU is an honest company in light of the court accusations of patent infringement especially since they had exclusive retail dealer rights to the FRT 15 in the beginning? Please share your FRT 15 experience? If it doesn’t work, why can’t you sell it for cost on EE? I don’t see your beef? Replacement parts for the locking bar, locking spring and hammer springs are affordable and available on Rare Breed Firearms site - the replacement locking bars sell out fast but pop up frequently. RBT states that a H2 buffer and maybe a stiffer buffer spring may be needed, it does not cost an additional $150.00. I don’t see how RBT deceived us? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 4:39:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Overtravel can be fixed with a simple pin inside the spring. Fifteen cents and ten minutes of time. Really pretty simple to ensure it doesn't have problems kinking the spring. It would be nice to see Rare Breed include it from the factory to ensure people don't experience the issue. That would be nice but I would just consider the locking bar spring a normal wear part. The replacement springs are available on Rare Breed Firearms site for the inflated price of $3.00. Just buy 10 of them and call it a lifetime. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 6:48:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EggyMean: I’m no lawyer, but it looks like Big Daddy Unlimited is gonna get their PP smacked for copying the FRT (PDF Warning): Big L Unlimited Injunction granted, if RBT provides a $2MM bond to cover WOE's losses if WOE eventually prevails in defending against this suit. Now, though, the defendant Wide Open Enterprises, LLC manufactures and sells the “Wide Open” trigger—a device that was plainly copied from the FRT-15. That of course is not the test of patent infringement, but here the defendants are plainly infringing the patent. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ cease-and-desist notice is not an important part of the analysis. To the extent it cuts either way, it cuts in favor of the preliminary injunction. If indeed the FRT-15 is being sold illegally by Rare Breed, then the Wide Open trigger is being sold illegally by the defendants. On that view, the preliminary injunction will reduce illegal sales—a result consistent with the public interest. 2. A preliminary injunction is entered as follows: The defendants must not manufacture, market, sell, offer to sell, import, or transfer possession of any Wide Open trigger or substantially similar device. 3. The preliminary injunction will take effect upon the court’s approval of security posted with the clerk of court in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) for costs and damages sustained by a defendant found to have been wrongfully enjoined. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 6:58:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Injunction granted, if RBT provides a $2MM bond to cover WOE's losses if WOE eventually prevails in defending against this suit. Now, though, the defendant Wide Open Enterprises, LLC manufactures and sells the “Wide Open” trigger—a device that was plainly copied from the FRT-15. That of course is not the test of patent infringement, but here the defendants are plainly infringing the patent. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ cease-and-desist notice is not an important part of the analysis. To the extent it cuts either way, it cuts in favor of the preliminary injunction. If indeed the FRT-15 is being sold illegally by Rare Breed, then the Wide Open trigger is being sold illegally by the defendants. On that view, the preliminary injunction will reduce illegal sales—a result consistent with the public interest. 2. A preliminary injunction is entered as follows: The defendants must not manufacture, market, sell, offer to sell, import, or transfer possession of any Wide Open trigger or substantially similar device. 3. The preliminary injunction will take effect upon the court’s approval of security posted with the clerk of court in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) for costs and damages sustained by a defendant found to have been wrongfully enjoined. Yup, even if RB loses to ATF and it is ruled a MG, they still own the patent to a Post-Sample MG. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2022 7:48:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Overtravel can be fixed with a simple pin inside the spring. Fifteen cents and ten minutes of time. Really pretty simple to ensure it doesn't have problems kinking the spring. It would be nice to see Rare Breed include it from the factory to ensure people don't experience the issue. This is a horrible idea. Don’t put a pin the the trigger bar spring… |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2022 7:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EggyMean: I’m no lawyer, but it looks like Big Daddy Unlimited is gonna get their PP smacked for copying the FRT (PDF Warning): Big L Unlimited Interesting. I was the expert witness during this summers case. Looks good so far… |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:02:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 99HMC4]
[#37]
Teaser….
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:48:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Sick!
You guys are doing great work. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 9:23:27 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: This is a horrible idea. Don't put a pin the the trigger bar spring |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:09:20 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Why not? Because it doesn’t work. It still allows the spring to kink, it can cause binding and when you make the “guide rod” to long, it bottoms out/stops the trigger bar from moving. But the carrier sill moves. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 12:07:46 AM EDT
[#41]
And they are no longer needed with the Gen 2. I've run thousands and thousands (6K+) of rounds through my first FRT, no appreciable wear, no kinked spring though I bought spares if I ever did need one.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 5:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: Teaser…. https://i.postimg.cc/Wzgz5B49/7-EE3-B014-79-C5-4-E9-E-B5-B6-8336-CE05-C5-E0.jpg Haven't followed this thread as closely as I meant to. What are we looking at? I get the RBT emails often. Thinking very hard at getting one of the triggers. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: I'd pay a pretty penny for one for the MP5. Me too. A neighbor has a binary trigger for his Zenith. The rhythm is very easy to get used to in it. Makes a nice little rainbow of brass. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 5:54:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99HMC4: Teaser. https://i.postimg.cc/Wzgz5B49/7-EE3-B014-79-C5-4-E9-E-B5-B6-8336-CE05-C5-E0.jpg Of what? |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 11:12:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: themagikbullet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Of what? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Originally Posted By 99HMC4: Teaser. https://i.postimg.cc/Wzgz5B49/7-EE3-B014-79-C5-4-E9-E-B5-B6-8336-CE05-C5-E0.jpg Of what? https://www.instagram.com/armamentweaponry/p/CU_a6xOlow9/?utm_medium=copy_link |
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Posted: 1/8/2022 3:56:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nunya_beezwax]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: Not great news. An FRT-15 hit the AFT forfeiture list posted today. Why post fear mongering posts? Shit like this gets seized every day and has absolutely nothing to do with the FRT-15 at all. When they come to take your stuff, they take EVERYTHING, whether it's a "machine gun" or not. It's called civil forfeiture. Since property isnt a human, it has NO RIGHTS to "due process". So if the govt seizes your shit, you dont get it back even if you're "innocent". Once property has been deemed "possibly guilty of a crime" (even though no due process has taken place), it becomes subject to "civil forfeiture". In otherwords, it's literally legal for the govt to steal from it's citizens. Civil Forfeiture has been a problem for DECADES ever since it became law (look up civil forfeiture abuse, it's disgusting the shit that has taken place). That list you posted is LITERALLY a civil forfeiture list. Thus, anyone pointing to it and saying "SEE LOOK! They are taking FRT-15s!" is a complete moron. Stop with the unnecessary fear mongering. I like reading non-fear mongering posts only and I rarely if ever actually post, but I DO read a lot here and have for a long time. If you have actual proof that backs up claims that the FRT-15 is somehow being seized from people simply because they own one, then THATS when you can start posting about FRT-15 seizures. Until then, it's nothing more than fear mongering garbage, something we dont need any extra helpings of since the Libtards are doing enough as it is currently with all the CV-19 horseshit. A non-fear mongering link that is better to read than the FBI seizure list is stuff like this: https://www.thebulwark.com/maine-bans-civil-asset-forfeiture/ Nice name btw :P Almost felt like I was replying to myself lol. |
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Posted: 1/11/2022 10:26:53 PM EDT
[#47]
What weight or type buffer spring works best with the FRT? I ordered a trigger on Sunday. Shipping notice sunday morning.
I have buffers of different weights to try. |
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Posted: 1/11/2022 10:51:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Admiral_Crunch]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: What weight or type buffer spring works best with the FRT? I ordered a trigger on Sunday. Shipping notice sunday morning. I have buffers of different weights to try. This is the one I bought, recommended to me by Jaqufrost. I first tried it with an H2 buffer, and it worked very well. https://www.blitzkriegcomponents.com/sprinco-extra-power-buffer-spring-ar15-carbine-red.html I had originally tried an H3 buffer, but with a standard spring, and I was getting very frequent failures to return to battery. Basically stripped the top round halfway and then stopped. Almost every round with the occasional 2-4 round string with a very low rate of fire. I swapped in the red spring and the H2 buffer, and it ran very well. The next time I go out, I will try the red spring with the H3 to see what the difference is. I figure it will also work, with a slower rate of fire than the H2 buffer. |
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Posted: 1/11/2022 10:56:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: What weight or type buffer spring works best with the FRT? I ordered a trigger on Sunday. Shipping notice sunday morning. I have buffers of different weights to try. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 1:11:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: What weight or type buffer spring works best with the FRT? I ordered a trigger on Sunday. Shipping notice sunday morning. I have buffers of different weights to try. Some of it comes back to your individual gun, how much gas it has and how fast you want it to cycle. Generally H buffer or higher will solve the bolt bounce issues. |
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