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Posted: 9/2/2005 2:55:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 1:35:12 PM EDT by Kevin]
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:00:26 PM EDT
ok
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:04:10 PM EDT
Do those come with the usual HK Hostile Environment finish or is it something else? I'd forward this story to HK if I were you, it makes the "torture tests" that Glock likes to brag about look like recess at kindergarden.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:05:00 PM EDT
cool tale
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:07:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 3:09:37 PM EDT by LeitnerWise]
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:14:01 PM EDT
Geez, that bolt looks clean........kinda like my K2.

Sam
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:23:20 PM EDT
Well...that is something else.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:35:11 PM EDT
WOW.

That's impressive.

Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:38:38 PM EDT
Wow. Thanks for the feedback Paul.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:42:12 PM EDT
My that's a clean bolt and carrier....and after 1500 rounds.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:12:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:23:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeitnerWise:

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
My that's a clean bolt and carrier....and after 1500 rounds.



No, I need to correct that, it's after 6,500 rounds - we don't clean the gas system or bolt in test or demo weapons. This bolt by the way has the 'O' ring.



o ring?
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:26:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:45:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 4:47:36 PM EDT by KnobCreek]

Originally Posted By LeitnerWise:

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
My that's a clean bolt and carrier....and after 1500 rounds.



No, I need to correct that, it's after 6,500 rounds - we don't clean the gas system or bolt in test or demo weapons. This bolt by the way has the 'O' ring.




With that "minor" clarification, I'll need to change my original sentence:
Fu%^-an-A, that's amazing.

I was so hoping to put 1500 rounds through the UPS delayed LW upper this weekend. What a downer!!!!

I'll just have to polish off my bottle of Knob Creek Bourbon to easy my disappointment.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:53:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 4:55:19 PM EDT by jquillen1985]
How hard is it to retrofit a piston to the direct gas system? I would be happy to hear the DoD say they will be fitting all M-16s and variants with a piston.

ETA: Can you show us a picture of the piston head? Is it nasty along with the tube the piston sits in?
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:05:02 PM EDT
great torture test!
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:50:46 PM EDT
Great review.

and a great looking test rig. (pictured)



thanks for sharing.

(book-marked for future HK flame thread)
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:53:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:
book-marked for future HK flame thread



Hahahaha, no pun intended right?
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:54:37 PM EDT
Ok, so you torture tested the HK mags. Paul, clearly your mind is churnin' about creating some sort of piston driven magazine. Who needs springs!!!! The future is PISTONS...not ball bearings, or fiber optics, but PISTONS. Let's see the pics.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 6:55:34 PM EDT
Its worth it for no other reason than PISTON sounds cooler than tube.

No piston head to show, there is a nozzle from the FSB, and a cup that fits over the nozzle. The nozzle is ribbed for your pleasure and to seal and scrape the inside of the cup, kind of like the trojans do.

Link Posted: 9/2/2005 6:58:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
Ok, so you torture tested the HK mags. Paul, clearly your mind is churnin' about creating some sort of piston driven magazine. Who needs springs!!!! The future is PISTONS...not ball bearings, or fiber optics, but PISTONS. Let's see the pics.



Now that's just crazy.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 6:59:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:
Its worth it for no other reason than PISTON sounds cooler than tube.

No piston head to show, there is a nozzle from the FSB, and a cup that fits over the nozzle. The nozzle is ribbed for your pleasure and to seal and scrape the inside of the cup, kind of like the trojans do.




That's it!!!!!!!! I'm headin' into the bedroom right now to make some demands. I can't take this innuendo anylonger. If unsuccessful, I'll be gone for about 10 minutes due to the "I'm sorry honey I can wait" dialogue. If I'm successful, well...................................................................I'll be back in 2 minutes, tops. Yeah, I have no pride, so what!!
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:12:43 PM EDT
That's MY freaking lower!!!!!

Note:- Paul..please get Magpul to send the metal strike plate for the M93. It just LOOKS better.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 7:48:04 PM EDT by KnobCreek]

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
That's MY freaking lower!!!!!

Note:- Paul..please get Magpul to send the metal strike plate for the M93. It just LOOKS better.



Hey, what chu' talkin' about? That lower looks nothing like the drawing you displayed. That lower is very clearly mine. And Paul, +1 on the strike plate for my lower, pictured above. I have one on my 93A2 and it does add that pretty factor. Thanks, Paul
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 8:27:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 8:35:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeitnerWise:
One thing I forgot to mention was that there were other mags in the area. The aluminum USGI mags were badly deformed and a couple of them had started to burn, the .499 mags had rusted worse than the HK's (surface coating) but appear to still function.



So, what does that mean for the availability of the 25 round .499/ 50 round 5.56 mag? I've got a really damp crawl space if you need any help with further testing.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 8:48:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:04:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeitnerWise:
I REALLY don't want to know anything about your damp crawl space.



Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:11:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:14:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:17:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:18:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeitnerWise:
What I find really interesting is the fact that the followers on the mags are pretty nasty now - how important therefore is the top surface of the follower - provided it's supported, I guess the follower could be a piece of wood bark! What do you think?



Well, since the bolt in the LW design doesn't get overly hot to cause an FF (follower fire), and since the piston can shoot with sand, dirt and, why not, wood chips in it, I say great idea. I've heard rumor that Jesse can carve ice scultures with a chainsaw, blindfolded. He would be my choice as head widdler of LW wood followers. Since it's Jesse, it should be LW/GP wood followers.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 7:53:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2005 8:05:57 AM EDT by CitySlicker]

Originally Posted By KevinB:
Well with the follower it really depends upon how much friction it exerts. I guess your bolt has enough pressure to compensate for it...




Kevin, where's the old avatar!?!?!

ETA: Will the ARM-R's have addresses engraved? AHve you decided how you want to go about it (i.e., laser egraving, etc...)?

Justin
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:26:18 AM EDT
No addresses on the ARM-R. Putting vent holes in the address locations on the top rail kinda blew that opportunity but added extra ventillation and cooling for the piston and decreased heat transmission to the rail. We questioned just how useful they were. From a mil standpoint they were important for a mission brief loadout with troops who needed things spelled out. It seems that has gone by the wayside.



Link Posted: 9/3/2005 9:06:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 48thHighlander:
No addresses on the ARM-R. Putting vent holes in the address locations on the top rail kinda blew that opportunity but added extra ventillation and cooling for the piston and decreased heat transmission to the rail. We questioned just how useful they were. From a mil standpoint they were important for a mission brief loadout with troops who needed things spelled out. It seems that has gone by the wayside.

grenadierprecision-photos.com/~photos/tn/1417_1024.ts1122508888000.jpg





Darren,

Understood.

By the way, that's a nice shot. Never seen it before.

Justin
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