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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:28:36 PM EDT
Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made.

Link Posted: 11/21/2014 5:35:29 PM EDT
Pics of ammo?
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 5:39:45 PM EDT
Need moar pics mow!!!
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 6:21:39 PM EDT
Also, need specs on mid-gas or carbine-gas?
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 7:29:35 PM EDT
tag for pics and discussion....
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 7:39:33 PM EDT
its going to take a pretty heavy load to shear lugs . please post the ammo used .
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 7:46:18 PM EDT
You seem to be deliberately omitting 50% of the story.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 7:49:41 PM EDT
What ammo did you buy? No-name reloads? If so I'm not surprised they won't honor the warranty.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 8:03:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cfar:
Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made.

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Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed!
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 8:07:18 PM EDT
Whoa, ost
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 8:31:26 PM EDT
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Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed!
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Originally Posted By cfar:
Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made.




Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed!


without pics and more info I'd have to agree


Link Posted: 11/21/2014 9:00:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cfar:
Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made.

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There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured?
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 9:04:06 PM EDT
A lot of ammo out there was/is way hot. Even if someone else shot some of the same brand yours might be out of spec. RRA absorbed some of the Corbon problems so I don't really blame them being a bit cautious. I have a RRA carbine length upper. Zero probelms with my handloads, SBR and Wilson ammo. Shearing bolt lugs in only 4 rounds sounds very suspect to me. Pics of cases and remainder of ammo with a couple of them autopsied would be a great plus.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 9:21:55 PM EDT
Would bet rounds were way over pressure. When I first started reloading and working up loads for the .458 7 or 8 years ago had several loads the completely flattened the primers and messed up the brass with severe swipes. Pressure had to be above 44k. My RRA took them all without any problems. Still using the original bolt with in excess of 1500 rounds. The RRA I have has been flawless.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 10:51:23 PM EDT
OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 11:01:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)
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How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 11:13:23 PM EDT
Wait, where did the OP go? Just realized he only had 2 posts as well.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 11:15:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cfar:
The same ammo sold on Gun Broker
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Didn't we just do a Gunbroker no-name ammo 'splodey thread?
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 11:16:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.

There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR.
You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night.
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How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
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Originally Posted By williewvr:

There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR.
You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night.
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Originally Posted By williewvr:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.

There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR.
You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night.


I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 12:45:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Hammer:


I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field.
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Originally Posted By The_Hammer:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.

There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR.
You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night.


I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field.

I have the AR ,NVG, and silencer but my only MG is a MAC10. (it's been around here since they were about the same price as the tax.)
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 4:32:51 AM EDT
Tag for no-show OP

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Link Posted: 11/22/2014 4:54:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.


My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 6:43:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigsapper:


My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.
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Originally Posted By bigsapper:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By williewvr: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)


How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?

Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo.


My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.

I'm not going to lie, I would.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 11:36:29 AM EDT
New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me...
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 12:18:32 PM EDT
He will deliver... Op?

Hello?
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 3:12:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:
New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me...
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Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction.

Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 3:40:29 PM EDT
I have done a lot of big bore AR testing since 1998 and have never seen BOTH the barrel extension and bolt lugs simultaneously shear off BOTH parts. I'm not sure that's even possible.

Tony


Link Posted: 11/22/2014 3:49:22 PM EDT
Just a drive by shit by the OP. Nothing to see here.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 6:09:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bgenlvtex:


Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction.

Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is.
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Originally Posted By bgenlvtex:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me...


Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction.

Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is.
I can't see how venting is satisfying when the guy apparently has a blown up upper. Venting makes you feel less stressed...for a bit...but it doesn't get a real problem addressed and fixed. But that's just me. I also don't ask my boss to "talk to" someone who bugs me - I take it to them politely and get things straight right away. I guess that means I'm not into drama.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 6:25:38 PM EDT
This thread does not deliver.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:16:04 AM EDT
Not much credibility so far...
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Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:19:14 AM EDT
"And dat‘s the name of dat tune."
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:27:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related.
Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs.
Steve/RRA
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Good.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:37:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related.
Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs.
Steve/RRA
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Mystery gunbroker reloads strike again!

If one were an anti-gun liberal loon, one might consider shill accounts on sites like Gunbroker selling spiked ammo. Worked for our government...
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:59:29 AM EDT
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Good.
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Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related.
Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs.
Steve/RRA



Good.

+100 internetz

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Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:25:43 PM EDT
I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's.
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Originally Posted By ARTNC10:
I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's.
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I think buying reloads from someone you don't know is a recipe for trouble.

If I were to buy reloads, it would just be to get the components.
I would probably disassemble, pour out the powders, and reload the brass and projectiles with my own measured loads.

And for your .243 and .308 rifles, I would make sure you go to small-base dies when loading for semi-autos.

Best,
JBR

ETA: Welcome to ARFCOM.
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:


I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it..
We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong.
All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward.
Thanks.
Steve/RRA
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Originally Posted By ARTNC10:
I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's.


I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it..
We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong.
All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward.
Thanks.
Steve/RRA

And since he probably can't say it, it avoids the whole sued for liable and slander lawsuit issue. True or not, you'll get sued if they think they can get in your pocket.
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR: I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it..
We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong.
All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward.
Thanks.
Steve/RRA
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Eagerly awaiting my brother digging his lower out of his gunsafe & finally shooting his upper I ordered for his birthday in 2013, which due to the availability of bolts, he received this summer. Thanks to you, I am now a member of a trust, and he has a .458" titanium suppressor on order. If it breaks, it's b/c he figgured out how to throw 700 grn boolits outta it. Don't warranty it.
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There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured?
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Originally Posted By cfar:
Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made.



There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured?


Not to correct you but three sides to a story his, hers , and the truth
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