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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:35:29 PM EDT
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Pics of ammo?
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:39:45 PM EDT
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Need moar pics mow!!!
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Posted: 11/21/2014 6:21:39 PM EDT
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Also, need specs on mid-gas or carbine-gas?
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:29:35 PM EDT
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tag for pics and discussion....
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:39:33 PM EDT
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its going to take a pretty heavy load to shear lugs . please post the ammo used .
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:46:18 PM EDT
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You seem to be deliberately omitting 50% of the story.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:49:41 PM EDT
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What ammo did you buy? No-name reloads? If so I'm not surprised they won't honor the warranty.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:03:55 PM EDT
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Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made. Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed! |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:07:18 PM EDT
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Whoa, ost
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made. Somebody blew up his rifle with crapola reloads and tried to con RRA into fixing the rifle he killed! without pics and more info I'd have to agree |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:00:58 PM EDT
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Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made. There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured? |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:04:06 PM EDT
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A lot of ammo out there was/is way hot. Even if someone else shot some of the same brand yours might be out of spec. RRA absorbed some of the Corbon problems so I don't really blame them being a bit cautious. I have a RRA carbine length upper. Zero probelms with my handloads, SBR and Wilson ammo. Shearing bolt lugs in only 4 rounds sounds very suspect to me. Pics of cases and remainder of ammo with a couple of them autopsied would be a great plus.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:21:55 PM EDT
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Would bet rounds were way over pressure. When I first started reloading and working up loads for the .458 7 or 8 years ago had several loads the completely flattened the primers and messed up the brass with severe swipes. Pressure had to be above 44k. My RRA took them all without any problems. Still using the original bolt with in excess of 1500 rounds. The RRA I have has been flawless.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:51:23 PM EDT
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OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:01:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min)  How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:13:23 PM EDT
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Wait, where did the OP go? Just realized he only had 2 posts as well.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:15:36 PM EDT
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The same ammo sold on Gun Broker Didn't we just do a Gunbroker no-name ammo 'splodey thread? |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:16:47 PM EDT
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How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR. You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:27:26 PM EDT
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How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:24:45 AM EDT
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There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR. You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR. You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night. I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:45:11 AM EDT
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I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. There's idiots with lots of money every frigging where in south Texas, wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them are running 458 on a RR. You would be amazed at the silenced, night sighted ARs and MGs floating around some of the fields around here shooting hogs at night. I swear everyone is rich here but me. It's like everyone has a bottomless bank account to buy MGs, suppressors, NV, and thermal gear. That's what I get for leaving the oil field. I have the AR ,NVG, and silencer but my only MG is a MAC10. (it's been around here since they were about the same price as the tax.) |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 4:32:51 AM EDT
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Tag for no-show OP
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Posted: 11/22/2014 4:54:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 6:43:55 AM EDT
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My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.
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Quoted: OP needs to learn difference between a RR (Registered Receiver AKA a MG) and a RRA (Rock River Arms AKA a mid price, semi auto AR ).
The title had me feeling really bad for someone who just lost a irreplaceable MG receiver, when it's only a RRA AR that died. Still not good but $1500 (max) vs $20000ish (min) How many folks do you know that run .458" on a machinegun?
Dollar to a doughnut we see the same report on other forums, with no pics of the ammo. My upper has been on a couple of FA lowers.
I'm not going to lie, I would.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:36:29 AM EDT
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New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me...
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:18:32 PM EDT
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He will deliver... Op?
Hello? |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 3:12:56 PM EDT
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New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me... Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction. Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 3:40:29 PM EDT
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I have done a lot of big bore AR testing since 1998 and have never seen BOTH the barrel extension and bolt lugs simultaneously shear off BOTH parts. I'm not sure that's even possible.
Tony |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 3:49:22 PM EDT
[#29]
Just a drive by shit by the OP. Nothing to see here.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 6:09:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction. Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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New member posts and runs. Rags on an established (and in my book reliable and dependable) manufacturer "not honoring their warranty" but doesn't provide much in the way of details either of the event or the interaction with Rock River. This does not smell kosher to me... Internet flaming and tantrum throwing has become the preferred method of obtaining satisfaction. Not saying that is positively the case here, but I will say the ban hammer should be deployed when it is. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 6:25:38 PM EDT
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This thread does not deliver.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:16:04 AM EDT
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Not much credibility so far...
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Posted: 11/24/2014 10:15:59 AM EDT
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Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related.
Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 10:19:14 AM EDT
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"And dat‘s the name of dat tune."
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Posted: 11/24/2014 10:27:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related. Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs. Steve/RRA Good. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 10:37:13 AM EDT
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Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related. Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs. Steve/RRA Mystery gunbroker reloads strike again! If one were an anti-gun liberal loon, one might consider shill accounts on sites like Gunbroker selling spiked ammo. Worked for our government... |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:59:29 AM EDT
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Good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without getting into specifics, the OP's rifle did suffer a significant failure, and it was ammo related. Our warranty covers the failure of factory parts and labor, not damage caused by factors outside of our control, such as ammunition issues. We made efforts to work with the OP and the ammo maker,, but those efforts were, in the long run, non-productive and the OP paid for his repairs. Steve/RRA Good. +100 internetz Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:25:43 PM EDT
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I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:39:39 PM EDT
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I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's. I think buying reloads from someone you don't know is a recipe for trouble. If I were to buy reloads, it would just be to get the components. I would probably disassemble, pour out the powders, and reload the brass and projectiles with my own measured loads. And for your .243 and .308 rifles, I would make sure you go to small-base dies when loading for semi-autos. Best, JBR ETA: Welcome to ARFCOM. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's. I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it.. We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong. All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward. Thanks. Steve/RRA |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 5:09:14 PM EDT
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A
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I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it.. We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong. All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward. Thanks. Steve/RRA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm totally new, but is there a reason that some of the "specifics" can't be discussed here?...not about the OP or the interaction with him but about the mechanical failure details related to the ammo? Being new, I'd like to know the details to avoid similar pitfalls myself. I have two new AR-10's in .243 and .308. I reload for both of those calibers in bolt rifles and fully intend to reload for the AR's. I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it.. We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong. All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward. Thanks. Steve/RRA And since he probably can't say it, it avoids the whole sued for liable and slander lawsuit issue. True or not, you'll get sued if they think they can get in your pocket. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 12:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't use the OP's name, the ammo loader's name or provide information on the issue other than to answer the OP's original post and certain inaccuracies in it..
We respect the privacy of both the OP and ammo maker and are not in any way trying to disparage either. We've seen bad loads from across the gamut of ammo makers and manufacturers. Over charged, under charged, deformed cases, bullets in upside down, primers in the pocket upside down, crushed, or dangerously high, and on and on. These are things that happen. Most are caught before they can cause damage and/or injury. Some occasionally do. Even one bad load amongst thousands unfortunately, casts doubt on all of those other rounds. I'm not going to paint it with a broad brush and say that all of this maker's ammo is bad, or that the OP did anything wrong. All we can do is pick up the pieces (literally) , determine the nature of the failure, identify one or more possible remedies, and move forward. Thanks. Steve/RRA Eagerly awaiting my brother digging his lower out of his gunsafe & finally shooting his upper I ordered for his birthday in 2013, which due to the availability of bolts, he received this summer. Thanks to you, I am now a member of a trust, and he has a .458" titanium suppressor on order.  If it breaks, it's b/c he figgured out how to throw 700 grn boolits outta it. Don't warranty it.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:23:16 AM EDT
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There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Buyer beware notice, fired my new Rock River 458 SOCOM and after 4 rounds the bolt and barrel had sheared off lugs and was FUBAR! The ammo was not over pressured, yet RR didn't honor their supposed lifetime warranty ($575 to fix). The same ammo (sold on Gun Broker and not Corbon) was used in other 458s without any hiccups. This was my first RR and will surely be my last, not because of a failure but because they didn't stand behind the crap they made. There are two sides to every story... Where are the pics. How are you so sure the ammo wasn't overpressured? Not to correct you but three sides to a story his, hers , and the truth |
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