Got one of these and will install it soon.
I recall reading that "out of the box" they may have some creep etc which I really don't want in a $100 "match" trigger.
If my trigger has symptoms like that, is it ok to polish the parts? Or are they hardened only on the surface like standard AR trigger parts?
With other rifles I've had very good results, very little effort in terms of polishing usually has given much improvement.
But I wonder if anyone knows if it is ok to do with the RRA National Match 2 Stage trigger.
You can polish the parts, it won't hurt anything, but they'll polish out on their own in a few hundred rounds. There's a fair bit of takeup in the trigger, which is your first stage. Who told you it's a "match" trigger? Jewl or White Oaks are match triggers, the RRA is a "National Match" trigger which means it has to work in a manner comprable to a stock, mil-spec, trigger.
I’ve used the White Oaks Trigger and the RRA. I really like the RRA trigger better. It’s very robust and all of mine break like a glass rod.
I use Moly on the parts and I’ve been very happy.
I’d put the trigger in and shoot it a while before you do anything. You can always pop them out and polish till your hearts content.
Where the hell did you come up with that line of shit? Do you work in a gunshop or something?
The RRA 2 stage is a non adjustable by the user POS trigger no different in function from a 2 stage POS Bushmaster trigger. These triggers do not need to be used in your "National Match" guns. You can use any trigger that looks like a "stock" trigger from the outside of the rifle. That means that you have to have a curved trigger. Jewel, or Geisselle triggers are adjustable to give you different weights. When shooting in Service Rifle class you must have a trigger that will hold 4.5 pounds. A Match Rifle trigger must hold 3.5 pounds. The difference between a Service Rifle or Match rifle trigger is the weight it must hold, that is all.
No, I work in computers... I just like to play with guns.
I never said you MUST use a match or national match trigger in anything anywhere in my post. I also said a National Match trigger must function in a manner compatible with the stock spec trigger. Most match triggers are adjustable, but not all. National Match triggers are not adjustable by their very definition. A Bushmaster stock trigger or a Rock River stock trigger or an Oly stock trigger being a POS is purley a subjective opinion. They are RELIABLE. I, personally, happen to like the way a stock Oly trigger feels, and lover the way the RRA 2-stage feels. One thing to keep in mind is that if the rifle is to be used for self defense, there are legal implications to using a match trigger because the gun is modified in a manner making it easier to fire. A national match trigger is, by design a stock trigger, weather or not it is cleaned up. Don't get me wrong, if you're hunting or killing nothing but paper, then match triggers are awesome, but if you use it as a looter shooter be ready to get sued. I'm not even going to get started on the misconception and misuse of "match" and "match grade".
Function like a stock trigger how? What the hell does that mean? If you mean one one shot per pull that is about all that need to be the same.
Have you ever shot a CMP match? Have you been to Camp Perry for the National Matches? Have you read the fucking CMP or NRA rule book? If not you should stick to computers instead of giving shitty misinformed advice about what you can use in a match. By your statement no 2 stage triggers are allowed at the National Matches. You missed that one. Nearly every gun at the Nationals during CMP and NRA week has a 2 stage trigger.
He never said what the hell he is doing with the trigger he only asked what can be done to make it better.
Your self defence and reliability argument dont work either. If 2 stage triggers are so unreliable why has the M1 Garand never had these reliability issues? Or the 03 Springfields? Or any of the other main battle rifles of WWII with 2 stage triggers? A good trigger is just that. I have thousands of rounds through my Jewel triggers and they have never failed. I have 3 of them in different guns and all work flawless.
A good (legal) shoot in self defense is a good shoot regardless of the gun used. Should everyone not carry a 1911 because the trigger is easier to pull and more "dangerous" than a Glock? Should everyone carry a wheel gun so they have the "least" dangerous and hardest to shoot gun to defend ones self with?
No offense but where do you come up with this?
Sorry for the rant but some of your statements are just outlandish.
For the original question a little bit of Flitz on a cotton Dremel wheel works great to polish the sear engagement surfaces. You dont need to make a mirror and you shouldnt go through the hardend part of the trigger. You can also put a lighter weight trigger spring in it to take a littel weight off the first stage.
Let's see... according to the CMP rule book
6.1.1 (1) Trigger Pull: Must be at least 4.5 lbs, except as otherwise perscribed in the rules.
6.1.3 (5) No modification may interfere with the original functioning of the rifle and its saftey devices.
6.1.3 (6) No modification may change the external configuration of the rifle.
So, you must have at least 4.5 lbs of pull and as much take up as an "as-issued" rifle. That's what's required to make it national match
You can tune a match trigger to perform as national match but you can also tune it to be better. You cannot, however, tune an as issued trigger to perform better because it's no longer as issued.
I've never been to camp perry or competed, but that dosen't mean I don't have a very fine apreciation of the intent behind the rules for CMP. Now for my question... have you actually read my post or skimmed it? You seem to put some odd data coming from me which I don't seem to have typed.
I never said anything about what the orignal poster was doing with his rifle, I mearly asked who had told him that a RRA 2-stage is a "match" trigger. I'm sure, if you correctly read my post you would agree that it is not a "match" trigger. I also never said or implied that a WOA, Jissel, or Jewl trigger were inferior products or that they were illegal for any purpose, however you seem to be implying that I did.
I never stated that 2-stage triggers were unreliable, infact I said the EXACT OPPOSITE. I did, however warn that a "match" trigger can lead to a civil lawsuit because the firearm is modified to allow it to be fired easier. Clean shoot or not, civil court is NOT criminal court. If you don't belive me, as any descent lawyer. If you have a stock trigger in your 1911 from a manufacturer with a descent reputation then you shouldn't have any problems. If, on the other hand, you have a spring for a softer trigger pull in your Glock, you are open to that form of attack. You can be shown in court to be a gun crazy maniac who modifyed his gun to make it easier to kill people, regardless of weather or not it is true. And Glock wouldn't even have to send anyone to testify on how safe their gun is because you modified a saftey mechanism. But yes, for the most part defense firearms have a heavy trigger, not because you're likely to accidentally discharge (though that actually is a possibility while on an adrenaline rush) but because it's percived (not actually is) to be another level of safety added to the weapon.
My source is a police trainer on this and another forum I'm on who specifically warned me about it because he's seen it on more than one occasion.
My statements may seem outlandish unless you actually READ THEM PROPERLY. But then again, what do I know, I only work on computers...
Oh, and by the way, have the courtesy to at least trim your quotes.
I am certainly no expert, but the whole "change the trigger, you're in trouble thing" is the oddest thing I have ever heard...
Are you saying if I use an Aimpoint or EOtech, I have made the rifle more lethal because I
can aim faster and more effectively?
If I use a VFG because it makes the rifle handle better?
That said, I run a WOA tuned RRA 2-stage and I love it for what it is.
Just hope I don't have to defend my life with it.
I hope Sniper350 dosen't mind me cut/pasting from a different forum.
Some very good info. Thank you, Toeball.
So, is there nothing to do about a very hard trigger pull in a home defence ar?