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Posted: 8/2/2005 7:23:43 PM EDT
Where do you keep your AR and where do you keep your Ammo?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:30:00 PM EDT
My AR is not the first line of defense (20" A3) so it sits in the safe loaded, not chambered. If there was trouble below I would not hesitate to access it, but the .45 & 12-gauge sit loaded & chambered in my bedroom. If I had more money than sense I might consider a carbine/SBR Swiss Army Rifle edition at the ready, but given my funds and alternative choices, my full-length isn't my first choice for in-house CQB.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:36:32 PM EDT
I keep the rifle in the attic and the ammo in the basement.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:44:56 PM EDT
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:49:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.



roll of quarters, huh... look out. Paul Kersey started out with that & by the time Deathwish IV rolled around he had an M203 behind the fridge.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:50:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.




a sock of quarters is a good idea, but you should always go for the coach gun first.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:14:21 PM EDT
Well being that home defense is not my particular concern everything is in the safe.
If and when I feel the need to have a weapon at the ready it will be my Sig Sauer P226 loaded along with my Surefire 9P, in one of those quick opening touch type hand gun safes on my headboard.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:23:38 PM EDT
1911 on my night stand,230 grain federal hydroshocks.first line of defense is the alarm the dog and the battery operated power supply back up for the alarm system...hey electricity does go out.I also keep a mossy 590 hidden around the area as well but jusy when when the wife and Iare home otherwise every thing in the safe with no one around.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:37:10 PM EDT
Leaning against the wall next to the bed.

I usually put it back in the safe when I leave the house.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:28:32 PM EDT
got my sig 220 chambered in a quick access safe in my closet and a mossy 12gauge loaded w 00buck on top of my bookcase in my homeoffice, where i spend all of my time when im not out driving for work....

also have a mean old female doberman that patrols the home, and a little chihuahua with big ass RADAR ears looking out for trouble
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:37:50 PM EDT
1st line of defense.


Then.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:22:18 PM EDT
S&W Model 24 on the little bookshelf next to the bed; speedloader next to it.

Double-barrel shotgun with #1 buck on the other side of the bed; butt-cuff with 6 more rounds in the loops.

Which one I grab first depends on the situation.

AR-15, locked and loaded, 2 steps away, secured in a closet but easily accessible. 20 rd mag in the piece, and a 30 rd mag right next to it. 2 bandoliers, loaded with four 30 rd mags in each, right beneath that.

Tomorrow's carry piece (.357 magnum, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, or .44 spl) waiting over on the dresser with wallet, keys, etc.

Damn, if all of that won't get 'er done, I am in big trouble.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:24:33 PM EDT
Cool dog
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:32:00 PM EDT
As Clint Smith says the dog is better than the alarm and the gu is better than a baseball bat. He's also not a fan of shotguns as home defensive weapons, but prefers carbine then pistols in that order. I keep my S&W .357 in electronic quick access safe by bed and Mossy 590 12ga in closet in hidden panel. I would grab Mossy and wife the revolver. I hope the racking sound of the 12ga from the top of the stairs would make it clear to any intruder what is about to happen. Best case scenerio I'd rather not shoot anyone and avoid all legal proceedings.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:33:43 PM EDT
Heres mine

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:51:12 PM EDT
If the bad guy gets by him

Then they will not get past this
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 11:02:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Heres mine





How long after you buried him in the pet semetary was it before he came back?

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 11:50:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Heres mine
gallery.thevboard.com/showpic.php?dispsize=Original&album=yelloov&pic=IMG_1037_small.jpg




How long after you buried him in the pet semetary was it before he came back?



No shit!

I'm going to have nightmares tonight because of that dog

Instead of cuddling up to my wife I think I'll cuddle up to my Benelli M3 instead.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 11:51:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Heres mine
gallery.thevboard.com/showpic.php?dispsize=Original&album=yelloov&pic=IMG_1037_small.jpg




How long after you buried him in the pet semetary was it before he came back?



That is a freaky looking dog.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 12:48:34 AM EDT
Yellow, your dog has some pretty wild expressions... It looks like it just got done chewing on some high voltage power cables. Your dog, making the "hit with shovel" face would definatly stop hostilities in exchange for confusion and laughter. Don't take it to hard, my lab has some fugly moments too. I keep my AR on a rack in the corner of a room with some other rifles. There are 2 magazines for each weapon, loaded with approptiate ammo which is nearby, but not accessible to anyone but myself. All weapons are stored with empty magazines with safety off, bolt closed and hammer forward. Its possible that using an AR for self defense will get your crucified, but now that many more PDs are using them as patrol rifles, they are starting to gain exceptance...If there is any "grey" involved in your case, its probablty that you using an AR could be more than enough to tip the scales and get you charged. The merits of using an AR as a home defense weapon aren't being discussed here, but probably should be. An AR is certainly better that some weapons for HD, but worse than others. For HD a shotgun reigns supreme. Its quite decisive. Depending on your living situations/comfort level, you could keep a hot weapon with the safety off. I don't like to keep loaded weapons, as I have a tendency to fondle them. Keeping a loaded magazine inserted in the weapon with the safety off and hammer forward could be a happy medium.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 1:00:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ryno_the_wyno:
If there is any "grey" involved in your case, its probablty that you using an AR could be more than enough to tip the scales and get you charged.




Please link to a case where this has EVER happened.

I'm waiting.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 1:52:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.



Thanks Triburst. Thank you for having the balls to say the truth: the TRUTH that no one here needs a full on arsenal to protect their home. It's comforting for me to see another person confident in their own ability to defend themselves instead of relying on a piece of metal they bought from the gunstore. Don't get me wrong, being a gun owner myself I admit that having a firearm in my home does give me some added sense of security, but I think having a gun available, while convienient should not become a nessesity to be relied upon. Far from me to pass judgement on anyone, but I think alot of people out there have become dependant on the idea that they NEED a gun to protect themselves. Granted, if a burgler is armed with a firearm it would be unwise to mount a defense with a sock full of quarters, but the idea of busting out of the bedroom guns blazing has become too common place to where most people aren't thinking about the concequences of such actions. The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe. If the situation arises that you do need to take action, then do it. But as alot of you have shown we also have dogs to help us protect out homes and they are the BEST 1st defense against home invasion. (By the way, GREAT looking dogs guys!)

Sorry if I hijacked your thread a bit Taskism. Getting to your question: IF I would ever need the firepower my AR's can provide, they are in my gunsafe in the closet next to my bed. Magazines are stored on the top shelf of the safe, the AR15's aren't loaded while in the safe. I have 2 20 round USGI magazine loaded with XM193's already loaded in the safe.
A gunsafe is a GREAT thing to have, regardless of how many guns you may own. It raises the safety level of having guns in the home in my opinion. Have a great week.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:11:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 3:12:43 AM EDT by FloridaConfederate]

Originally Posted By Atreides:

...... the TRUTH that no one here needs a full on arsenal to protect their home.

.........but I think having a gun available, while convienient should not become a nessesity to be relied upon.


I think alot of people out there have become dependant on the idea that they NEED a gun to protect themselves.

The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.




I thought I logged onto Democratic Underground there for a second


Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:17:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 3:22:20 AM EDT by DDiggler]
I ain't into having a proportionate, fair battle. I don't want an intruder to think that they even stand a chance if they happen to confront me. I need to win at all costs, for my family.

If someone breaks into my house and threatens me and mine, they will be shot. Period. No tube sock of quarters here. This isn't a game of Mortal Kombat or something. I hope I don't have to do it, but if I do, it wasn't up to me, it was up to the criminal who broke into my house.

Also, the police have no duty to keep us safe. What kind of super-safe bedroom door do you have? I bet if it's like most kinds, I could bust through it in seconds. If it's a stronger door, like oak, it may take a little longer but not much. Unless you have actually reinforced your bedroom door.

It's my house, I don't need to run.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:17:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:


The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.






Keep on believing that, my friend. It is hard to believe the levels of naivity on this board sometimes
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:22:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 3:25:13 AM EDT by eklikwhoa]
last time i called 911 for an emergency it took 3hrs....................................

<­BR>




then they called back.

there was a suspicous car outside and they had time to get to the backyard and peep through all the windows. i just sat and waited till the glass broke so i could let off a few rounds but for whatever reason they moved on.

the sad part is we have sheriff supposedly patrolling our area and the station is but 5mins away.


i use my glock for home defense. i have neighbors surrounding me at all corners so i am hesitant to use the ar.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:31:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.



Thanks Triburst. Thank you for having the balls to say the truth: the TRUTH that no one here needs a full on arsenal to protect their home. It's comforting for me to see another person confident in their own ability to defend themselves instead of relying on a piece of metal they bought from the gunstore. Don't get me wrong, being a gun owner myself I admit that having a firearm in my home does give me some added sense of security, but I think having a gun available, while convienient should not become a nessesity to be relied upon. Far from me to pass judgement on anyone, but I think alot of people out there have become dependant on the idea that they NEED a gun to protect themselves. Granted, if a burgler is armed with a firearm it would be unwise to mount a defense with a sock full of quarters, but the idea of busting out of the bedroom guns blazing has become too common place to where most people aren't thinking about the concequences of such actions. The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe. If the situation arises that you do need to take action, then do it. But as alot of you have shown we also have dogs to help us protect out homes and they are the BEST 1st defense against home invasion. (By the way, GREAT looking dogs guys!)

Sorry if I hijacked your thread a bit Taskism. Getting to your question: IF I would ever need the firepower my AR's can provide, they are in my gunsafe in the closet next to my bed. Magazines are stored on the top shelf of the safe, the AR15's aren't loaded while in the safe. I have 2 20 round USGI magazine loaded with XM193's already loaded in the safe.
A gunsafe is a GREAT thing to have, regardless of how many guns you may own. It raises the safety level of having guns in the home in my opinion. Have a great week.












Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:32:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I used to keep a coach gun with #6 birdshot for home defense, but I was worried that a lawyer might hassle me over it in court if I ever had to use it. I now keep a large tube sock full of quarters as my primary home defense weapon.



Thanks Triburst. Thank you for having the balls to say the truth: the TRUTH that no one here needs a full on arsenal to protect their home. It's comforting for me to see another person confident in their own ability to defend themselves instead of relying on a piece of metal they bought from the gunstore. Don't get me wrong, being a gun owner myself I admit that having a firearm in my home does give me some added sense of security, but I think having a gun available, while convienient should not become a nessesity to be relied upon. Far from me to pass judgement on anyone, but I think alot of people out there have become dependant on the idea that they NEED a gun to protect themselves. Granted, if a burgler is armed with a firearm it would be unwise to mount a defense with a sock full of quarters, but the idea of busting out of the bedroom guns blazing has become too common place to where most people aren't thinking about the concequences of such actions. The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe. If the situation arises that you do need to take action, then do it. But as alot of you have shown we also have dogs to help us protect out homes and they are the BEST 1st defense against home invasion. (By the way, GREAT looking dogs guys!)

Sorry if I hijacked your thread a bit Taskism. Getting to your question: IF I would ever need the firepower my AR's can provide, they are in my gunsafe in the closet next to my bed. Magazines are stored on the top shelf of the safe, the AR15's aren't loaded while in the safe. I have 2 20 round USGI magazine loaded with XM193's already loaded in the safe.
A gunsafe is a GREAT thing to have, regardless of how many guns you may own. It raises the safety level of having guns in the home in my opinion. Have a great week.



Sorry to disappoint you, but I was just being a smart ass. I am constantly amazed how many people here choose a double barrel over clearly superior fighting weapons due to litigational concerns. "I have an AR, but I use my coach gun, because I don't want the prosecuter to give me a hard time." I was making a tongue in cheek reference to tose types of comments.

For serious home defense, its a tricked out AR carbine and a GLOCK 19 for me. w00t!
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:37:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FloridaConfederate:

Originally Posted By Atreides:

...... the TRUTH that no one here needs a full on arsenal to protect their home.

.........but I think having a gun available, while convienient should not become a nessesity to be relied upon.


I think alot of people out there have become dependant on the idea that they NEED a gun to protect themselves.

The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.




I thought I logged onto Democratic Underground there for a second






LOL, thats what I thought.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:40:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Heres mine
gallery.thevboard.com/showpic.php?dispsize=Original&album=yelloov&pic=IMG_1037_small.jpg




How long after you buried him in the pet semetary was it before he came back?




Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:40:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:

The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.



No, you pay the police to keep you safe while in public, not in your home. And that has already been shown as a futile job. With criminals becoming bolder every day, I don't see why people think it is so strange for the possibility of your door being kicked in and you are rushed in your own home.

I guess I am just overcautious, but I would rather be overprepared and thought to be nutty, than be crazy and underprepared.


To the original question. Dog, 12 ga., SA1911. After that, the phone gets picked up...
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:50:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Heres mine
gallery.thevboard.com/showpic.php?dispsize=Original&album=yelloov&pic=IMG_1037_small.jpg




How long after you buried him in the pet semetary was it before he came back?




LMFAO

Here's my line of defense (everything else stays in the safe):





Link Posted: 8/3/2005 3:54:02 AM EDT
If in a particular situation you have the right to use deadly force, then use deadly force, whether a handgun, AR, or explosive spitwads. Deadly force, by its very definition, is force that is, surprise, surprise, likely to cause death. There are no special laws that consider how effective a particular application of deadly force is or how scary it looks.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:11:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mudfoot:

Originally Posted By Atreides:

The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.



No, you pay the police to keep you safe while in public, not in your home. And that has already been shown as a futile job. With criminals becoming bolder every day, I don't see why people think it is so strange for the possibility of your door being kicked in and you are rushed in your own home.

I guess I am just overcautious, but I would rather be overprepared and thought to be nutty, than be crazy and underprepared....




OK, I was a Boy Scout. Being prepared is always a good idea no matter what we are talking about: Natural Disaster or Home Invasion, it doesn't matter. It doesn't surprise me one bit that my veiw on things isn't a popular one here, but then again I have never been one to follow the crowd. There are proffesionals here: people who use their AR15's on a day to day basis and rely on their weapons with their very lives. But then there are others who, for whatever reason feel that just because they own a gun they are somehow empowered with abilities they didn't have before they bought their guns. Having a AR15 makes them feel like it could be them on the movie screen, fighting off hoards of enemy troops or making an assault on an enemy stronghold. Reality tries to butt in and remind these people that they aren't special forces operators, but this sensibility is quickly over run with thoughts of glory and heroism. It's no different from when these people were kids running around their backyard with their Daisy BB-Gun playing Commando, except now the addition of a real gun only intensifies the fantasy, bringing them closer to their hero's on the big screen.
The internet has a special ability to allow people to voice out whatever they want to all while keeping them safe within a veil of anonymity. It allows people to beef up their ego's, especially on boards like these with talk of fighting and death. It makes me wonder how many of these "experts" giving advice on questions like "What bullet is best for Home Defense?" or "What is the most effective round for CQB?" have actually found themselves in a home defense situation, or better yet have shot and killed an intruder. You'd think it was all of them the way they carry on about fragmentation and hemmoragic shock. It makes me wonder just how many of these people give their advice from experience, and how many are just repeating facts they read in some article in "Guns & Ammo". I wonder how such advice would be taken if talking face to face with some of these people, I mean, how seriously would you take tactical manuver advice from some fat out of shape guy that looked like he'd have a heart attack if he tried to jog 20 feet? So what's my point? My point is, while there are a lot of people here that deserve respect, there are just as many if not MORE "couch commando's" who have taken on a totally different persona on the internet than who they really are. To them "Gun-a-te" is a martial art, one that give's them a sense of power they never had on their own. Their gun is the ultimate equalizer...something that gives them the power to stand toe to toe with people they'd never dream of going up against unarmed. I'm not saying there isn't any truth to this, there is but to a point. With all this talk of break-ins and the need for superior firepower I can't help but wonder how such talk could effect a persons actions if faced with the situation in real life. Does a break-in justify the use of deadly force? Does the act of entering your home without your consent reason enough to kill someone? What if the burgler is unarmed? Does "Being prepared" only consist of having a loaded gun close if such a thing happens?
I believe there's a time and place where deadly force comes into play, and I am more than willing to do it if the lives of my loved ones are in danger, but at the same time I don't think I am above the law and have any sort of right to kill someone simply for breaking into my home. It makes more sense to me to avoid conflict until absolutely nessesary, it cuts down on the chances of any innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet. A call to the police IS the most sensible action to take first. In a case of a break-in they would have to be notified anyway. No TV or Microwave is worth the life of any of my family. Material things can be replaced, life cannot.

There's nothing wrong with being preapred for a break-in, it makes good sense. But there's a difference between being prepared and being pre-conditioned to blast the crap out of anyone entering my home.

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:37:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 6:38:30 AM EDT by FloridaConfederate]
The person breaking into your home while you are there is probably just misunderstood and needs someone to show him love.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:11:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 7:12:39 AM EDT by Archer36]

Originally Posted By Atreides:
Does the act of entering your home without your consent reason enough to kill someone? What if the burgler is unarmed? Does "Being prepared" only consist of having a loaded gun close if such a thing happens?

It seems like you think when ever someone breaks into our houses our sole intent is to kill that person, now I thankfully have not had a break in yet but if it were to happen I would try to go for a non lethal shot. However I am not sure if I could do such a shot since I have never been in a situation like that. And usally its more than "without your consent."


Originally Posted By FloridaConfederate:
The person breaking into your home while you are there is probably just misunderstood and needs someone to show him love.


Maybe if we give him some milk and cookies he will be nice
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:28:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:Sorry to disappoint you, but I was just being a smart ass. I am constantly amazed how many people here choose a double barrel over clearly superior fighting weapons due to litigational concerns. "I have an AR, but I use my coach gun, because I don't want the prosecuter to give me a hard time." I was making a tongue in cheek reference to tose types of comments.

For serious home defense, its a tricked out AR carbine and a GLOCK 19 for me. w00t!



Actually, I'd feel more than safe with a "coach gun" being a double barrel twelve gauge shotgun with short barrels, it's be perfect for good ol' "Home D"

Out of my 43 weapons, my "house gun" is generally a Beretta 96D Centurion
Though I do have a Remington 870 in an easy to aquire position.
My AR-15's wouldn't even enter my mind for house defense. Combat, yes. House defense, uh uh. Wrong tool for the job, in my oppinion.
Though I do understand that there will be plenty of people on this board who'd disagree with me. Then again, those are the people that probably only have one AR , and maybe one pistol, and believe the AR has been delivered unto them by God.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:33:40 AM EDT
I prefer my AR simply because I am most familiar with it above all my other guns.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:47:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
i use my glock for home defense. i have neighbors surrounding me at all corners so i am hesitant to use the ar.



+1. My G17 is always within reach in my small apt, especially after we were broken into in the middle of the night, and luckily that POS didn't wake me up.

I'm scared to use my AR in doors, although you'd have to if you have nothing else. All I have are FMJ .223 rounds and I'd be scared that if I missed one would hurt someone in the apartment above or next to us. Plus, why pic up an AR when you have a pistol at hand. Oh well, either way, don't rely on 911, you'll be killed 10 times over before they would ever show up.

-mark
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:47:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:

Originally Posted By Mudfoot:

Originally Posted By Atreides:

The police can be called from the safety of the bedroom. We pay the police to do the service of keeping us safe.



No, you pay the police to keep you safe while in public, not in your home. And that has already been shown as a futile job. With criminals becoming bolder every day, I don't see why people think it is so strange for the possibility of your door being kicked in and you are rushed in your own home.

I guess I am just overcautious, but I would rather be overprepared and thought to be nutty, than be crazy and underprepared....




OK, I was a Boy Scout. Being prepared is always a good idea no matter what we are talking about: Natural Disaster or Home Invasion, it doesn't matter. It doesn't surprise me one bit that my veiw on things isn't a popular one here, but then again I have never been one to follow the crowd. There are proffesionals here: people who use their AR15's on a day to day basis and rely on their weapons with their very lives. But then there are others who, for whatever reason feel that just because they own a gun they are somehow empowered with abilities they didn't have before they bought their guns. Having a AR15 makes them feel like it could be them on the movie screen, fighting off hoards of enemy troops or making an assault on an enemy stronghold. Reality tries to butt in and remind these people that they aren't special forces operators, but this sensibility is quickly over run with thoughts of glory and heroism. It's no different from when these people were kids running around their backyard with their Daisy BB-Gun playing Commando, except now the addition of a real gun only intensifies the fantasy, bringing them closer to their hero's on the big screen.
The internet has a special ability to allow people to voice out whatever they want to all while keeping them safe within a veil of anonymity. It allows people to beef up their ego's, especially on boards like these with talk of fighting and death. It makes me wonder how many of these "experts" giving advice on questions like "What bullet is best for Home Defense?" or "What is the most effective round for CQB?" have actually found themselves in a home defense situation, or better yet have shot and killed an intruder. You'd think it was all of them the way they carry on about fragmentation and hemmoragic shock. It makes me wonder just how many of these people give their advice from experience, and how many are just repeating facts they read in some article in "Guns & Ammo". I wonder how such advice would be taken if talking face to face with some of these people, I mean, how seriously would you take tactical manuver advice from some fat out of shape guy that looked like he'd have a heart attack if he tried to jog 20 feet? So what's my point? My point is, while there are a lot of people here that deserve respect, there are just as many if not MORE "couch commando's" who have taken on a totally different persona on the internet than who they really are. To them "Gun-a-te" is a martial art, one that give's them a sense of power they never had on their own. Their gun is the ultimate equalizer...something that gives them the power to stand toe to toe with people they'd never dream of going up against unarmed. I'm not saying there isn't any truth to this, there is but to a point. With all this talk of break-ins and the need for superior firepower I can't help but wonder how such talk could effect a persons actions if faced with the situation in real life. Does a break-in justify the use of deadly force? Does the act of entering your home without your consent reason enough to kill someone? What if the burgler is unarmed? Does "Being prepared" only consist of having a loaded gun close if such a thing happens?
I believe there's a time and place where deadly force comes into play, and I am more than willing to do it if the lives of my loved ones are in danger, but at the same time I don't think I am above the law and have any sort of right to kill someone simply for breaking into my home. It makes more sense to me to avoid conflict until absolutely nessesary, it cuts down on the chances of any innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet. A call to the police IS the most sensible action to take first. In a case of a break-in they would have to be notified anyway. No TV or Microwave is worth the life of any of my family. Material things can be replaced, life cannot.

There's nothing wrong with being preapred for a break-in, it makes good sense. But there's a difference between being prepared and being pre-conditioned to blast the crap out of anyone entering my home.




You spent quite a bit of time bashing people on this board you don't even know. It is obvious that there are people here with different levels of proficiency with firearms and different levels of training. But I have to ask...how intelligent can your position be when your advice was to sit and wait for the police in case of emergency?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:56:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sydney7629:
But I have to ask...how intelligent can your position be when your advice was to sit and wait for the police in case of emergency?

Maybe if your room is specially designed with steel plating
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:58:53 AM EDT
It's not what you don't know that'll kill you, it's what you think you know, that's WRONG.

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Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:10:19 AM EDT
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Mounted in the wall, right next to the bed:

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:47:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Atreides:

OK, I was a Boy Scout. Being prepared is always a good idea no matter what we are talking about: Natural Disaster or Home Invasion, it doesn't matter. It doesn't surprise me one bit that my veiw on things isn't a popular one here, but then again I have never been one to follow the crowd. There are proffesionals here: people who use their AR15's on a day to day basis and rely on their weapons with their very lives. But then there are others who, for whatever reason feel that just because they own a gun they are somehow empowered with abilities they didn't have before they bought their guns. Having a AR15 makes them feel like it could be them on the movie screen, fighting off hoards of enemy troops or making an assault on an enemy stronghold. Reality tries to butt in and remind these people that they aren't special forces operators, but this sensibility is quickly over run with thoughts of glory and heroism. It's no different from when these people were kids running around their backyard with their Daisy BB-Gun playing Commando, except now the addition of a real gun only intensifies the fantasy, bringing them closer to their hero's on the big screen.
The internet has a special ability to allow people to voice out whatever they want to all while keeping them safe within a veil of anonymity. It allows people to beef up their ego's, especially on boards like these with talk of fighting and death. It makes me wonder how many of these "experts" giving advice on questions like "What bullet is best for Home Defense?" or "What is the most effective round for CQB?" have actually found themselves in a home defense situation, or better yet have shot and killed an intruder. You'd think it was all of them the way they carry on about fragmentation and hemmoragic shock. It makes me wonder just how many of these people give their advice from experience, and how many are just repeating facts they read in some article in "Guns & Ammo". I wonder how such advice would be taken if talking face to face with some of these people, I mean, how seriously would you take tactical manuver advice from some fat out of shape guy that looked like he'd have a heart attack if he tried to jog 20 feet? So what's my point? My point is, while there are a lot of people here that deserve respect, there are just as many if not MORE "couch commando's" who have taken on a totally different persona on the internet than who they really are. To them "Gun-a-te" is a martial art, one that give's them a sense of power they never had on their own. Their gun is the ultimate equalizer...something that gives them the power to stand toe to toe with people they'd never dream of going up against unarmed. I'm not saying there isn't any truth to this, there is but to a point. With all this talk of break-ins and the need for superior firepower I can't help but wonder how such talk could effect a persons actions if faced with the situation in real life. Does a break-in justify the use of deadly force? Does the act of entering your home without your consent reason enough to kill someone? What if the burgler is unarmed? Does "Being prepared" only consist of having a loaded gun close if such a thing happens?
I believe there's a time and place where deadly force comes into play, and I am more than willing to do it if the lives of my loved ones are in danger, but at the same time I don't think I am above the law and have any sort of right to kill someone simply for breaking into my home. It makes more sense to me to avoid conflict until absolutely nessesary, it cuts down on the chances of any innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet. A call to the police IS the most sensible action to take first. In a case of a break-in they would have to be notified anyway. No TV or Microwave is worth the life of any of my family. Material things can be replaced, life cannot.

There's nothing wrong with being preapred for a break-in, it makes good sense. But there's a difference between being prepared and being pre-conditioned to blast the crap out of anyone entering my home.




I don't pretend myself to be anything. Simple fact is, I am a law abiding citizen, with a family that I love, possessions that I have worked hard to achieve, and enough sense to know what kind of force and how much to apply, in the instance that any of the above are threatened. I don't intend to portray myself as some kind of "couch commando" as you have so generously applied to some members here. Nor do I consider myself as some sort of expert.

That said, I do enjoy shooting sports, and practice at range quite often. Sure, if a gang of paper targets breaks in to my home, I am sure I will have what it takes to eliminate the threat. But I can't garauntee that I will have the mental prresence to be able to calmly get my loved ones into a secure room, all the while remembering how to dial 911, and ask someone to please come help me and my family, while I hold up in this room. hinking.gif

You'll have to forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory that an unarmed intruder in my home, MIGHT not have any ill intentions for my family, and that I should just ask him to leave unharmed. Criminals, just like any other living being, has the tendency to graduate or evolve into even greater activities. Meaning? Most simple burglers, tend to escalate into more challenging crimes. I apologize if my choices offend your moral stature. But uninvited entry into my home, with any intentions will be met with severe resistance by me.

You condemn the internet like it is some sort of plague that should be sterilized of anyone that doesn't view it the same way as you. The fact that these types of forums are nameless, and faceless, makes for a better discussion. Visual prejudices are not an influence. People can ask questions, give answers, and even argue topics without any type of real consequence. Sometimes they are long, boring, drawn out, and without resolve. But for the most part, they are educational. Everyone learns something out of it, and I have learned one thing already. Our opinions differ. None better, none worse.

That thought completed, I will remain of the "Be prepared, and have a plan" mentality. Have a great day!
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[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 8:59:49 AM EDT by graywolf]
outer circle level II trained German Shepherd,and central dispatch alarm system. inter circle double barrel coach gun 3" federal tactical 8 pellet buck shot,& browning hi-power pistola under pillow will get me to gun safe. the dog goes where I go, or we don't go.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 9:09:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 9:34:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:
Are the same guy that posted this crap over on Glock talk??? There was a guy over there (with about your same screen name) saying that it was stupid for people to want a 30rd mag in their HD weapon.


C4


Bigger the mag, the less of the chance of the intruder getting back up
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:27:44 AM EDT
There are too many ignorant comments in this thread to single out. For people who think they don't need a weapon to defend their home, thats great. However, don't come crying to the rest of us if and when something happens. There are plenty of examples of what happens to those who fail to prepare.

I am the police, and I am here to tell you that I will not be there to save you and your family. I wish I could be, but even if I am nearby when you call in (assuming you can), it is usually over within minutes.

If you don't have a dog, you are a victim waiting to happen.

If you don't have decent lighting, you aren't helping.

If you don't have a firearm......

On a brighter note, I have written wonderful reports to show why homeowners legally protected themselves. Those people understand what I'm talking about in this thread.

Lastly, I'll add that these are my own opinion, and not that of my department, or of any other department. I don't play the PR game, and I won't lie or give BS comments to help people sleep better at night.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:36:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 10:37:40 AM EDT by -Tex-]
Better safe than sorry. Many people will never face an intruder in their lives, but there is no "reset" button if things do go wrong and you are not properly prepared...

By the way, I would also recommend that everyone who has a cell phone keep it on the night stand during the night. That way, if there is an emergency -- intruder or otherwise -- and the regular phone does not work for whatever reason, you'll still have backup phone for dialing 911 if necessary.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 10:37:59 AM EDT
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