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Posted: 7/17/2005 1:27:07 PM EDT
With so many lots with problems, blown primers etc, how do we grade this ammo. To have reliable SHTF ammo in my mags ready to go I want ammo with no "issues". I have about 1k of Q, lot VA92 which has known to blow primers. I am thinking of buying quantity of TAP 75gr or Black Hills to have in the mags for SHTF. I did have the Q ammo in there, but with a list full of lots with problems, I am hesitant to buy any more. Any thoughts on the use of Q3131a for SHTF ammo?
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 3:52:28 PM EDT

Since a single blown primer can render the rifle unusable until it is dismantled and the pieces cleared from the trigger group, I would not trust this ammo with my life.

TAP is a good choice because quality control is based on police use where any failure can cause the death of an officer or an innocent bystander, and can even the ruin company ammo sales and contracts for the next decade.

For proof of this look at Speer. They estimated a huge amount of LE ammo had a one in a million chance of primer failure so they recalled all of it and sold it off as surplus marked, “Not for LE use.” Some say they were over cautious, but with so much at stake they did not want to take any chances.

Considering the number of people here who reported blown primers with Q3131A, it has to be way over that one in a million failure rate, yet Winchester denied it was occurring. That’s when I stopped buying it.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 4:31:08 PM EDT
Thanks for the reply, I was leaning toward your very point of view, why chance your life. Spending the money for TAP would feel good to me for the peace of mind.

Dr.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:09:55 PM EDT
I have about 4K of Q3131A and fortunately none of it is any of the affected lots.

Here is the list of suspect Q3131A lots.
Q3131A
Problems reported with Lots:
TD51 - Blown primer
TK42 - Blown primer
UF21 - Feeding problems
UM11 - Failure to fire - bad primer
VA82 - Blown primer
VA92 - Blown primer

The reason I don't have any of it is that I shot it all (2000+ rounds of the suspected lots) trying to find a bad round.

I found one round, lot VA92, a bad primer, failure to fire. Out of the 2000+ rounds, not one blown primer, and this is from 2 of the 4 lots supposedy affected. This test may have been a "failure", but it was great fun!

I have begun to believe it is more of a rifle/chamber/overpressure issue, than an ammo issue, and I didn't use my tighter chambered Varminter barrel with any of it, just my 3 Bushmaster & LMT 14.5" & 16" barrels.

You've got 1K of a possibly affected lot? Well take 200 rounds of it down to the range and see if it is reliable in your rifle.

75 grain TAP is great defensive ammo to use in your rifle, it's what I use in my 1/7 barrelled rifles, but just make sure it functions reliably by shooting at least a hundred rounds of it through your gun.

For my 1/9 barrels, I use Q3131A for my defensive ammo, with no reservations. Out of my 14.5" Bushmaster, it's amazingly accurate.

Link Posted: 7/18/2005 2:16:24 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/18/2005 4:08:24 AM EDT
thanks for the info, I checked all my ammo, took awhile but it's clear, thanks again
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 4:34:36 AM EDT
tagged to look at lot numbers later


THANKS for posting
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 5:48:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 5:59:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 7:43:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By edwin907:
I have about 4K of Q3131A and fortunately none of it is any of the affected lots.

Here is the list of suspect Q3131A lots.
Q3131A
Problems reported with Lots:
TD51 - Blown primer
TK42 - Blown primer
UF21 - Feeding problems
UM11 - Failure to fire - bad primer
VA82 - Blown primer
VA92 - Blown primer







Thanks for posting this info.

It would be great if we can get a tacked thread with listings of bad lot numbers of different ammo.

Mods????
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 2:52:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ColtRifle:

It would be great if we can get a tacked thread with listings of bad lot numbers of different ammo.

Mods????



Awesome idea!
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 3:29:00 PM EDT

Team members can access this six page long thread in the archive: Q3131A Blown Primers

Here is a picture MP5_guy posted last year:

Link Posted: 7/18/2005 4:15:13 PM EDT
So, is this ammo first line stuff? Is it used by the Israelis and our troops? Or is this just what is available to the public?

Dr.
Link Posted: 7/18/2005 5:37:58 PM EDT
Officially, Israeli made ammo is not used in Iraq. Apparently, this would be only be slightly worse then coating projectiles in lard...

Link Posted: 7/19/2005 10:57:03 AM EDT
Went shooting this weekend and when i was picking up brass there was a priming lying loose. Fell out after round was fired?
Link Posted: 7/19/2005 11:47:57 AM EDT
Tag for lot info
Link Posted: 7/19/2005 11:51:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_Pendleton:
Officially, Israeli made ammo is not used in Iraq. Apparently, this would be only be slightly worse then coating projectiles in lard...




Note to self: if I ever need to shoot a jihadi, use Q3131A after being dipped in lard. MJD
Link Posted: 7/19/2005 12:14:31 PM EDT
All ammo can be faulty.

Q3131A can be just as reliable as any other ammo. Our military trusts IMI to make ammo for them, why should I not trust them?
Link Posted: 7/19/2005 2:46:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_Pendleton:
Officially, Israeli made ammo is not used in Iraq. Apparently, this would be only be slightly worse then coating projectiles in lard...




:)
Link Posted: 7/19/2005 4:57:21 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:00:19 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:36:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 3:37:09 AM EDT by mr_wilson]
Sheesh, what a collection of arm-chair commandos, whiners and malfunction drill deficient folks this thread contains................

Malfunctions can occur at anytime, with any rifle, pistol or shotgun shooting any ammunition.

Shit happens, learn to deal with it, instead of fear it or attempt to avoid it.

Mike

ps - sorry for the rant, but if your shooting sessions fail to include, mag or ammo related malfuntion drills then you ain't training for the real world.

(some of us keep mags and bum ammo especially for this purpose and some of the best "blown-primer" clearance drills I ever had were during HP events where every second wasted costs points)
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