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Posted: 6/9/2018 7:23:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/9/2018 7:29:53 PM EDT by Jack_Flag]
I'm looking for a decent, but not super expensive prism type optic I think for a 9mm Steyr AUG. Mainly just for fun shooting. So I want something that will hold up OK, but isn't ACOG prices. What choices am I missing?

Also a little magnification could be OK. But I don't need a bunch. It's a 9mm after all. And I won't be shooting it 200 yards or whatever.

So:
Burris AR-1x
Vortex Spitfire
(yet unreleased) Primary Arms Cyclops 1x.
Primary Arms 2.5x?

What else am I missing?

I suppose some type of LPV scope would be OK.
Link Posted: 6/9/2018 11:34:50 PM EDT
Bushnell "Lil" P (prismatic) due out this summer sometime
Link Posted: 6/9/2018 11:46:31 PM EDT
I love my Primary Arms 2.5x for out to 100 or so yards is pretty precise. It is great for CQB too. Nice glass and great reticle design. Fast on target.
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 6:54:08 AM EDT
I can vouch for the vortex spitfire for that very application. I picked one up from the exchange and put it on my AR based 9mm. I was always a fan of the EO Tech reticle but not so much of that company anymore. The Spitfire is compact and with a very clear reticle that appears to be unaffected by my astigmatism.
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 4:47:23 PM EDT
Vortex also makes a 1x prism that’s pretty popular. Bullseye reticle.

If you can find one on the EE, the Leupold Prismatic (circle dot) and prismatic tactical (crosshair) are pretty awesome too. Battery life on them sucks, but if you’re good with electronics you can make/modify a module for much longer life for pretty cheap.
Link Posted: 6/14/2018 11:18:11 PM EDT
I have the PA 2.5 on my 9mm SBR and it's great.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 12:19:32 AM EDT
I have the Primary Arms 3X Prism scope that has the ACSS reticle onn a 9mm AR and love it. I have a 5X also mounted on my 5.56 and like that as well. I have interchanged them and found the 3x to be adequate on either , but with the 3 x , the reticle is noticeably bigger in the field of view. Nice glass
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 9:35:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckyRocks:
I can vouch for the vortex spitfire for that very application. I picked one up from the exchange and put it on my AR based 9mm. I was always a fan of the EO Tech reticle but not so much of that company anymore. The Spitfire is compact and with a very clear reticle that appears to be unaffected by my astigmatism.
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+1 - I also use this on my 9mm AR.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 10:51:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckyRocks:
I can vouch for the vortex spitfire for that very application. I picked one up from the exchange and put it on my AR based 9mm. I was always a fan of the EO Tech reticle but not so much of that company anymore. The Spitfire is compact and with a very clear reticle that appears to be unaffected by my astigmatism.
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This.

I just wish it wasn't 2 circles.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 11:06:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckyRocks:
I can vouch for the vortex spitfire for that very application. I picked one up from the exchange and put it on my AR based 9mm. I was always a fan of the EO Tech reticle but not so much of that company anymore. The Spitfire is compact and with a very clear reticle that appears to be unaffected by my astigmatism.
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The Vortex is much better than the Burris, but I want to be on the list for the PA 1x when it comes out soon.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 1:57:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 6:10:05 PM EDT
Make sure you post what you get. I'd love to pick up an affordable 9mm conversion kit for my AUG :(
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 10:35:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jeepinbanditrider:
Make sure you post what you get. I'd love to pick up an affordable 9mm conversion kit for my AUG :(
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I certainly will. Honestly, I think it's down to the Vortex Spitfire or the new PA Cyclops. Both reticles aren't perfect, but seem good to me. Though I do think the Cyclops looks better (to me). Silly, but I wish the Spitfire was swept more backwards than forwards.

The 9mm AUG kits were never affordable. I paid $1600 or so for mine a 2-3 years ago on GB. Not too bad I thought, since they went for new when the few hundred 6th gen kits came in for about $1300. They will never get cheaper. Heck, I remember when older gen kits. They could be missing pieces, or a barrel or it could be beat to junk. And it would still command over $1000.

I went crazy when I bought the kit. I couldn't find a stand along AUG receiver. So I ended buying a whole another M1 AUG to have a dedicated 9mm. As it stand right now. It the M1 long/high rail. The extended Pete rail wasn't available at the time.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 10:40:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
Sounds like a few others have chimed in with support for the Spitfire - we really appreciate that! Obviously we aren't going to compare our optics to our friends at Burris or PA, but we're more than happy to answer absolutely any questions you might have that are specific to the Spitfire.

Some folks have mentioned that the dot in the Spitfire doesn't affect their astigmatism, and they're dead on with that statement. Like you may already know, anytime you have a glass-etched reticle (which the Spitfire has), the reticle is a physical component of the optic. Unlike red dots that use a LED Emitter to reflect the dot onto the lens (which is what astigmatisms have a tough time deciphering), the glass-etched reticle is immune to being manipulated by your astigmatism.

Another benefit to glass etched reticles is that even if you've got a dead battery, you'll still have your aim point! This is huge if you have any need for a home defense setup.

If you have any questions, just give us a shout! - Erik (ebarber@vortexoptics.com)
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Thanks Erik @VortexOptics . :)

I like that you included an adjustable ocular with the Spitfire. Soemtimes even etched reticles give my eyes fits. It's weird. I've got AUG scopes (3 different) that all work fine for me. But if I try to look through an ACOG even with great glass and an eteched. reticle, but no ocular adjustment. It looks like crap with my naked eyes.
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 10:56:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2018 10:57:34 PM EDT by cochraneap]
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
Bushnell "Lil" P (prismatic) due out this summer sometime
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lol that's gotta be the ugliest hunk of China junk I've seen in the past 10 years



Did they seriously name the other one "Big D" lmao wtfff
Link Posted: 6/15/2018 11:08:21 PM EDT
The new Meopta MeoAce 3x20 looks interesting
But for the ridiculously high price, I'd rather have an ACOG
Link Posted: 6/16/2018 10:12:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack_Flag:

.... Honestly, I think it's down to the Vortex Spitfire or the new PA Cyclops. Both reticles aren't perfect, but seem good to me. Though I do think the Cyclops looks better (to me). Silly, but I wish the Spitfire was swept more backwards than forwards.
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I'm also buying another prism. I already have a Vortex but I have the original one with the dial as opposed to the new AR model that has the (probably cheaper) rubber buttons. I absolutely love the original Vortex 1x with the dial, but sadly like everything else made by everybody they had a good thing and chose to change it. I prefer the dial to the buttons and the older one seems more substantial than the new AR version. But alas, it's gone, it's not coming back so I will just have to move on.

So now I'm looking at the new Vortex AR or the PA Cyclops. The PA has no green color where the Vortex has both. The PA does have wheel as opposed to the AR rubber buttons which I like better, but it does put the massive wheel on the left side in the way of your right eye for some reason. Why they did not put it on top and out of the way of both eyes I don't understand. Haven't mad up my mind yet.
Link Posted: 6/16/2018 9:33:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By XSentinel:

I'm also buying another prism. I already have a Vortex but I have the original one with the dial as opposed to the new AR model that has the (probably cheaper) rubber buttons. I absolutely love the original Vortex 1x with the dial, but sadly like everything else made by everybody they had a good thing and chose to change it. I prefer the dial to the buttons and the older one seems more substantial than the new AR version. But alas, it's gone, it's not coming back so I will just have to move on.

So now I'm looking at the new Vortex AR or the PA Cyclops. The PA has no green color where the Vortex has both. The PA does have wheel as opposed to the AR rubber buttons which I like better, but it does put the massive wheel on the left side in the way of your right eye for some reason. Why they did not put it on top and out of the way of both eyes I don't understand. Haven't mad up my mind yet.
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I kinda leaning toward the PA.

I think in the end it's probably gonna come down to whether I find a used Vortex for substantially cheaper than retail. Or I can order the Cyclops. Which ever comes first.
Link Posted: 6/17/2018 10:04:21 AM EDT
I think they are the same price, no?
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