

Originally Posted By 03RN: Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230405_111852_jpg-2771365.JPG View Quote That's a cool setup. The irons still work? |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: That's a cool setup. The irons still work? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By 03RN: Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230405_111852_jpg-2771365.JPG That's a cool setup. The irons still work? Yup |
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Originally Posted By travisty250: Are the torque specs in the manual correct? Seems very high to me. For the base to the scope it says tighten the 10-32 screws to 25-30 inch lbs and for the cross bolts on the base 55-60 inch lbs? Edit: Just found in the thread where the PA rep says the spec is correct. RTFB I guess. It doesn’t feel right, seems way tight. I suppose it does have a lifetime warranty so I should just run the thing. I have to say that I am amazed at this products glass clarity and brightness for the price. I picked it up for $280 over the St. Patrick’s Day sale and now I’m looking at picking up another one. I really like the ACSS Raptor reticle as well. View Quote They're probably correct for bolts and screws with dry/hardened threadlocker like the Vibratite VC-3 that's included with the optic, it hardens over 15-20 minutes before you install the bolts and torque them down. I mounted mine with Loctite blue 242 on the crossbolts and my Wheeler FAT wrench set to 55 in-lbs and one of the bolts snapped and shot out of the mount like 30 seconds after I torqued it down. At first I thought they must've used chinesium bolts but I found several people saying that if you use wet threadlocker you should reduce your torque spec by 25-30% of what the manufacturer suggests otherwise the essentially now lubricated bolts will end up at a much higher torque than what the manufacturer says to use. Primary Arms sent me a new mount for free and it arrived the same week I sent them an email about it. I used 242 again but reduced the recommended torque settings for the crossbolts and the screws that attach the mount to the riser by 30% and nothing has snapped, it's mounted nice and solid. If I remember correctly I set the wrench to just over the 35 mark for the crossbolts. I made a couple posts about it a page or two back in this thread and a PA rep was quick to respond and ask if the warranty department had sent a new mount by then. I think it was page 14. Edit: My post was #41 on page 14 in this thread after I got the new mount. The screws I torqued with the wrench set to just over 15 and the crossbolts just over 35 using loctite blue 242 liquid threadlocker. |
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Originally Posted By voyager40: They're probably correct for bolts and screws with dry/hardened threadlocker like the Vibratite VC-3 that's included with the optic, it hardens over 15-20 minutes before you install the bolts and torque them down. I mounted mine with Loctite blue 242 on the crossbolts and my Wheeler FAT wrench set to 55 in-lbs and one of the bolts snapped and shot out of the mount like 30 seconds after I torqued it down. At first I thought they must've used chinesium bolts but I found several people saying that if you use wet threadlocker you should reduce your torque spec by 25-30% of what the manufacturer suggests otherwise the essentially now lubricated bolts will end up at a much higher torque than what the manufacturer says to use. Primary Arms sent me a new mount for free and it arrived the same week I sent them an email about it. I used 242 again but reduced the recommended torque settings for the crossbolts and the screws that attach the mount to the riser by 30% and nothing has snapped, it's mounted nice and solid. If I remember correctly I set the wrench to just over the 35 mark for the crossbolts. I made a couple posts about it a page or two back in this thread and a PA rep was quick to respond and ask if the warranty department had sent a new mount by then. I think it was page 14. Edit: My post was #41 on page 14 in this thread after I got the new mount. The screws I torqued with the wrench set to just over 15 and the crossbolts just over 35 using loctite blue 242 liquid threadlocker. View Quote Interesting. I too am using blue 242. I emailed them about getting some replacement screws and they would not help with that. They wanted me to send the whole optic back to them which I thought seemed pretty pointless as I only needed a replacement screw. They wouldn’t cooperate like they did with you. Anyways, if anyone is looking for screws, I found them here I found similar information regarding reducing the torque spec with loctite, however, loctites own website says not to reduce the torque spec. I will clean everything and reduce by 30%. Now that I’ve finally settled on 1.63 mount height I’m GTG. |
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I've got a 3x mounted on my 14.5 P&W ranch gun. Daytime I run the 3x PA, night time it gets the Super Yoter. The riser works best for the Super Yoter but the 3x micro with Larue QD Mount works without a hitch. RTZ is dead on for both. I've got one 1x and two 3x now and love them. When does the 5x ship?
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Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: I've got a 3x mounted on my 14.5 P&W ranch gun. Daytime I run the 3x PA, night time it gets the Super Yoter. The riser works best for the Super Yoter but the 3x micro with Larue QD Mount works without a hitch. RTZ is dead on for both. I've got one 1x and two 3x now and love them. When does the 5x ship? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/20230404_175607_jpg-2785428.JPG View Quote I’m going this route for my ranch gun, but I’ll be using a super Yoter clip on in front of the 3x Everytime I try variable power optics on an AR15 all I find is that it turns a lightweight, handy rifle into a heavy rifle. The Micro 3x seems like a great solution. |
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: I’m going this route for my ranch gun, but I’ll be using a super Yoter clip on in front of the 3x Everytime I try variable power optics on an AR15 all I find is that it turns a lightweight, handy rifle into a heavy rifle. The Micro 3x seems like a great solution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Glck1911: Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: I've got a 3x mounted on my 14.5 P&W ranch gun. Daytime I run the 3x PA, night time it gets the Super Yoter. The riser works best for the Super Yoter but the 3x micro with Larue QD Mount works without a hitch. RTZ is dead on for both. I've got one 1x and two 3x now and love them. When does the 5x ship? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/20230404_175607_jpg-2785428.JPG I’m going this route for my ranch gun, but I’ll be using a super Yoter clip on in front of the 3x Everytime I try variable power optics on an AR15 all I find is that it turns a lightweight, handy rifle into a heavy rifle. The Micro 3x seems like a great solution. Honestly, with the first PA 3x microprism I bought I was skeptical that it could even get close to my ACOG's. However, I was pleasantly surprised by the glass quality, eye relief, size and weight. After treating it pretty rough for months without a hickup, I really don't see any reason to purchase another ACOG. It is the ideal optic for a lightweight AR in my opinion and will likely end up on more of my guns. If there were one thing I would change it would be the ability to put Butler Creek lens covers on. The bikini cover has broken a couple times. I'm now really interested in trying the 5x with an offset RMR. |
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Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: Honestly, with the first PA 3x microprism I bought I was skeptical that it could even get close to my ACOG's. However, I was pleasantly surprised by the glass quality, eye relief, size and weight. After treating it pretty rough for months without a hickup, I really don't see any reason to purchase another ACOG. It is the ideal optic for a lightweight AR in my opinion and will likely end up on more of my guns. If there were one thing I would change it would be the ability to put Butler Creek lens covers on. The bikini cover has broken a couple times. I'm now really interested in trying the 5x with an offset RMR. View Quote This is the way. When I turn the rifle back and forth, the sight picture never gets lost, the cant position while peeping rmr is very natural. Its fast. It is still very light. I'm sold. |
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Been loosely following this thread for a bit now.
These have been out for a couple years at this point, so what’s the general consensus on them? Good to go I assume. I’ve been running a Nikon P223 3x for many years now, but I’m looking at changing things up a bit and drop a little weight from my current rifle. My current scope and ring setup weighs in around 20 ounces right now, it looks like I could cut that in half with the SLX 3x It seems like I’ll also gain some capability in terms of NV compatibility. |
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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Been loosely following this thread for a bit now. These have been out for a couple years at this point, so what’s the general consensus on them? Good to go I assume. I’ve been running a Nikon P223 3x for many years now, but I’m looking at changing things up a bit and drop a little weight from my current rifle. My current scope and ring setup weighs in around 20 ounces right now, it looks like I could cut that in half with the SLX 3x It seems like I’ll also gain some capability in terms of NV compatibility. View Quote I would say the only area you may feel a loss is in the eye box. |
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Got mine out last week and overall was and is a very nice little optic. I originally wanted it for my FAL , but for some reason the supplied mount did not want to sit right on my rail. The rail was fine for everything else , but I think those slightly raised sections in the middle of the mounting bracket would keeping it from sitting correctly. However , I moved it over to my BCM MK2 and it fit fine and was very quick to sight in.
Nice optic and will probably buy another one soon. |
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Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I would say the only area you may feel a loss is in the eye box. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Been loosely following this thread for a bit now. These have been out for a couple years at this point, so what’s the general consensus on them? Good to go I assume. I’ve been running a Nikon P223 3x for many years now, but I’m looking at changing things up a bit and drop a little weight from my current rifle. My current scope and ring setup weighs in around 20 ounces right now, it looks like I could cut that in half with the SLX 3x It seems like I’ll also gain some capability in terms of NV compatibility. I would say the only area you may feel a loss is in the eye box. Yeah looking at specs between both it looks like that’s really the only negative over my current setup. Seems like the SLX is fairly forgiving in that area though. I’ll keep an eye out for an upcoming sale, otherwise there seems to be a couple lightly used ones locally that I could snag for $200 or less. |
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I run my PA 3X SLX with Magpul offset irons. Not much additional weight.
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Any update on the Piggy Back RDS mount for these?
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For 7.62x39 with a 50 yard zero for standard ammo, the first crosshairs down is just about on point for brown bear subsonic.
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230405_111852_jpg-2771365.JPG View Quote 03RN - what mount is that? |
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Originally Posted By funnelcake: 03RN - what mount is that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By funnelcake: Originally Posted By 03RN: Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230405_111852_jpg-2771365.JPG 03RN - what mount is that? It's just the carry handle mount that comes with it. |
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For those that have swapped out the factory base for the prisms, would you be willing to try something out for me? I'm hoping to find out if the factory base is low profile enough to fit under the rear bell of a regular scope. I'm trying to mount a Holosun SCS offset behind/under my 5-25x56 scope, but dedicated MOS mounts are apparently nonexistent other than the offset for the PA prism. If so, I still need to find one of those mounts on the EE or something from a takeoff.
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![]() Zeroed the back up irons a few weeks ago. Finally got a chance to try the PA Micro 3x. Fricken love it. It was almost zeroed for me, a left hander, out of the box. Excellent groups. I may put one on everything. (Wife's AR already has one needing to be zeroed as well). This micro is magic. Love the weight and size. Love the magnification. Love the reticle. |
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Originally Posted By MRW: Here's the 1x in an A2 carry handle https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5205/edit_IMG_7395-2020812.jpg View Quote hmmm that gives me an idea on what to do with this rifle....... ![]() |
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Been awhile since I had thrown one of my LPVO’s on a rifle. I did so today, and it went right back to the junk shelf in my safe. I really forgot how spoiled I am by the 3X MP and offset red dot. The eye box, the field of view, the magnification transition speed, the weight.
I was going to put an LPVO on my SFAR rebuild but after today I think I’m done with LPVO’s for good. |
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Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Been awhile since I had thrown one of my LPVO’s on a rifle. I did so today, and it went right back to the junk shelf in my safe. I really forgot how spoiled I am by the 3X MP and offset red dot. The eye box, the field of view, the magnification transition speed, the weight. I was going to put an LPVO on my SFAR rebuild but after today I think I’m done with LPVO’s for good. View Quote I've been waiting on reviews on the 5x PA prism to come out. I'm hemming hawing between the 3x and 5x. My cousin put together similar setup to yours, using the Vortex Spitfire 5x prism and RMR on a BCM ELW upper. So handy, light and agile. I have a Delta Stryker 1x6 on my main setup, and while the glass is great, the red dot is in the realm of Aimpoint bright, and for an LPVO is light at 17oz (total weight with Scalarworks Leap mount is 22-23oz....pushing 1.56bs) , it totally changes the balance of the gun compared to the PA 1x Prism that I throw on it for HD. That handiness is gone. I'm coming more and more to conclusion that some flavor of prism and MRDS is the way to go for my GPR setup. ....back to 3x or 5x |
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My mindset for having both the 1x and 3x was reinforced yesterday at the range. I was an RSO and some really nice guys, seriously, were playing around with ARs, and a 22 for his son. And while shooting, the battery on his red dot went out. The only thing he could do at that point was play around with his iron sights on one of his guns. I just sat there and said to myself, maybe having the etched reticle is a good move.
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Originally Posted By TNRonin: My mindset for having both the 1x and 3x was reinforced yesterday at the range. I was an RSO and some really nice guys, seriously, were playing around with ARs, and a 22 for his son. And while shooting, the battery on his red dot went out. The only thing he could do at that point was play around with his iron sights on one of his guns. I just sat there and said to myself, maybe having the etched reticle is a good move. View Quote Red dots can die, but if a person can't manage a battery maintenance cycle with modern red dots (with a 1-5yr constant on battery life) then I don't have much faith that they'll maintain their rifle either. That being said, two of my three RDS only rifles have fixed front and rear irons and the third has a fixed front and folding rear. ![]() And my TA33/RMR combo is probably my favorite, and will be complimented by a SLX 3x with a piggybacked MRDS on my next lightweight build. |
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Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Red dots can die, but if a person can't manage a battery maintenance cycle with modern red dots (with a 1-5yr constant on battery life) then I don't have much faith that they'll maintain their rifle either. That being said, two of my three RDS only rifles have fixed front and rear irons and the third has a fixed front and folding rear. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177960/Screenshot_20230618_160514_Photos_jpg-2855943.JPG And my TA33/RMR combo is probably my favorite, and will be complimented by a SLX 3x with a piggybacked MRDS on my next lightweight build. View Quote Not to start an argument, but making that statement shows me that not all angles have been considered. Also generalizing like that again displays a presumption that is not correct. |
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Just ordered one for an A1 upper. Hope it works out well.
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Originally Posted By rauchman: I've been waiting on reviews on the 5x PA prism to come out. I'm hemming hawing between the 3x and 5x. My cousin put together similar setup to yours, using the Vortex Spitfire 5x prism and RMR on a BCM ELW upper. So handy, light and agile. I have a Delta Stryker 1x6 on my main setup, and while the glass is great, the red dot is in the realm of Aimpoint bright, and for an LPVO is light at 17oz (total weight with Scalarworks Leap mount is 22-23oz....pushing 1.56bs) , it totally changes the balance of the gun compared to the PA 1x Prism that I throw on it for HD. That handiness is gone. I'm coming more and more to conclusion that some flavor of prism and MRDS is the way to go for my GPR setup. ....back to 3x or 5x View Quote PA has a great deal going on for the 3x in meters that I ordered. Really looking forward to playing around with this guy. |
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Originally Posted By jamess396: I gave up on using the bindon aiming method with the 3x, there's just too much parallax at the distances i want to shoot at. View Quote Would you mind elaborating a little on this ? What distances are you trying to shoot at ? I have fairly good experience with it and got the hang of it after a couple hundret rounds on my own "selfmade stages". Whrn you say a whole 3gun season i assume you have much more rounds and training with it than i put into that kind of shooting. I am like an inches and a half left and low at 15ish yards and arround double that at 25. For me that is very exceptable in the use case of that optic, the positions and situations i am using it in. |
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ADM started offering their B2 cantilever mounts for these in different heights. They also added some machining to reduce weight.
https://www.admmfg.com/ad-b2-c-mount They now offer a range of 1.41 to 2.33. (1.93 pictured.) ![]() |
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Originally Posted By Arnery: Nice looking mounts. They're trying, but IMHO not seeing the full picture. Multiple heights, but still fixed cantilever offset. They advertise it as a "Mini ACOG Mount", that "also" fits the PA microprisms, but then only show it in use with PA microprisms? Looks like essentially the AD-B1 (2-hole) with cantilever risers added. Wonder if the risers are permanent, or replaceable? If they would take an AD-B5 (3-hole mini ACOG) and ELIMINATE the riser (keep it low like the B1), it would be ideal for the PA microprisms, allowing the user to pick-n-choose from the options that COME WITH the microprism. I suspect they could sell more of those than the new B2s. I chose to DIY it. Lopped 0.18" off each end of an AD-B2-Std, eliminating the front/rear excess length. Fits better now, but didn't measure right the first time, needs another 0.02" taken off to regain the last pic slot: http://www.nulltime.com/NAR/scopes/SLx_ADM/R-mod.jpg View Quote The riser on my B2C is permanent. It’s my understanding these are made specifically for the MP’s, but they identify it by the mounting pattern which is mini ACOG. If one was to go buy some custom hardware, they should be able to use the factory stuff to Lego just about any configuration together on either mount. |
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Got mine in and went and shot it. Hated it. The aiming chevron is blurry to me. I would much rather have a dot. My buddy liked it and couldn't understand my problem. I sold it at a loss to him on the spot. I'm not blaming the optic, it just ain't for me.
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Originally Posted By twistedcomrade: Got mine in and went and shot it. Hated it. The aiming chevron is blurry to me. I would much rather have a dot. My buddy liked it and couldn't understand my problem. I sold it at a loss to him on the spot. I'm not blaming the optic, it just ain't for me. View Quote Did you adjust the rear focus? This is specifically made so you can fix this issue. And there is lots of adjustment available. |
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Originally Posted By twistedcomrade: Got mine in and went and shot it. Hated it. The aiming chevron is blurry to me. I would much rather have a dot. My buddy liked it and couldn't understand my problem. I sold it at a loss to him on the spot. I'm not blaming the optic, it just ain't for me. View Quote I looked through one at a Phoenix gun show before I bought mine, it was crystal clear including the reticle. I got mine a few months later and the reticle was super fuzzy, I thought there might be something wrong with it. Adjusted the diopter in the rear, it took a few turns, but the reticle cleared right up. Practically perfect view of everything now. |
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Anybody have a piggyback mount in hand yet? I just preordered one yesterday but it won’t be here til August
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I got the Midwest Industries mini acog mount and it could still be used with the PA risers. Going to try it with my GLX 2x as I feel the stock mount was giving me fits getting the scope to line up straight. Seemed to need a lot of windage to get on target which then caused parallax issuses with the lenses being so far out on alignment.
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Originally Posted By TNRonin: Did you adjust the rear focus? This is specifically made so you can fix this issue. And there is lots of adjustment available. View Quote ![]() |
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So what stock position seems to work best? How does the eye relief compare to a TA33 if anyone has both?
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Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Yeah they did a great job on that mount! View Quote Any chance on selling package deals with the ADM vs the factory mount for those who never would use the factory mount? Would be nice to save a little vs including the factory mount in the pricing only to have it collect dust. |
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Originally Posted By VeritatisUnus: Any chance on selling package deals with the ADM vs the factory mount for those who never would use the factory mount? Would be nice to save a little vs including the factory mount in the pricing only to have it collect dust. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VeritatisUnus: Originally Posted By PrimaryArms: Yeah they did a great job on that mount! Any chance on selling package deals with the ADM vs the factory mount for those who never would use the factory mount? Would be nice to save a little vs including the factory mount in the pricing only to have it collect dust. I’ll take it a step further. PA should offer the optic sans their mount and partner with ADM to offer a discounted mount of the height of your choice. The ADM mounts take these optics to the next level IMHO. |
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Or no mount since I want it on a carry handle
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