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Posted: 12/30/2003 5:28:42 PM EDT
Anybody got any good pictures of the Marine SAM rifle? Both the east and west coast versions, if possible. Thanks for any help.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 2:38:06 PM EDT
I guess this is a dead end.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 3:12:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2003 3:25:53 PM EDT by Yojimbo]
I found the pics below, I'm not sure which ones are West or East coast versions.  Warning they are large!

Also check this PDF file, on page 11 there are some specs for the SAM-R.
[url]http://www.mcwl.quantico.usmc.mil/divisions/expops/aar/guam_final.pdf[/url]

[img]http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/aa4ec8c70489e93c85256df30030953c/$FILE/031127-TurkeyDeliv-030.jpg[/img]

Another one with a different configuration.  Note, optics are not ACOG, flip-up front sight and harris bi-pod.

[img]http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/6a8d2ca0216e766d85256d9b0061ebdf/$FILE/CORifle.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 3:20:44 PM EDT
The one the Col is looking at is the "SAM" rifle, the one with the Marine in desertscammies is an A4 with ACOG, it was called the "West Coast SAM" rifle prior to OIF because West Coast units didn't test the SAM-R, and they took the A4 with ACOG as a SAM-R alternative.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 3:53:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2003 3:55:42 PM EDT by Va_Dinger]
What exactly difference between the two coasts SAM rifles? By the way, thats it - keep those pictures coming.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 4:08:31 PM EDT
The SAM, and its SAM-R was an experiment done by SPMAGTF-X in conjunction with project urban warrior.  The test unit for the experiment was 1st Battalion, 6th Marines out of Camp Lejeune, NC.  1st MarDiv's was not initially part of the experimentation, but the build up to OIF started.  The 1st MarDiv wanted an equivalent to a SAM-R, what they had on hand were a few M16A4, so 1st MarDiv went out and bought ACOGs for the few A4s they had on hand and issued them out as the West Coast SAM rifle.  In the near future, the A4 with some type of optics will be the standard for all riflemen in the Marine Division, so at that time the West Coast SAM rifle will be the Marine Corps standard.  There more accurate and actual SAM-R may or may not be fielded in large numbers, only time will tell.  The last GCE board did not mention it so who knows.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 4:09:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2003 4:29:50 PM EDT by BBossman]
Originally Posted By STLRN:
The one the Col is looking at is the "SAM" rifle, the one with the Marine in desertscammies is an A4 with ACOG, it was called the "West Coast SAM" rifle prior to OIF because West Coast units didn't test the SAM-R, and they took the A4 with ACOG as a SAM-R alternative.
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Yeah, what STLRN said.  Theres a good article on the "west coast" version in the January 2004 SOF.

The "west coast" version is simply an A4 (M5 RAS) with a TA31F ACOG.  The "east coast' version has a Krieger barrel, KAC FF RAS, Harris Bi-pod w/ pod-loc, folding BUIS (front and rear), KAC low prifile gasblock and  KAC F/H for attachment of a suppresor.

I'm currently finishing a "west coast' version (my USMC A4gery SAM/R), and will be starting on an "east coast" version, sans the Krieger barrel.

I left out the 3X9 Mil-dot (Leupold?) scope with QD rings.

BBossman

(Edited cause my rememberer wasn't remembering)
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 6:16:17 PM EDT
dinger,

I just finished a West Coast version and you are more than welcome to join me at the range this weekend and shoot it.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 6:25:00 PM EDT
Your on! [;)]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 6:33:05 PM EDT
My West Coast Sam will be done as soon as the new upper arrives. [:D]

The pre-ban lower, parts and Krylon are waiting...
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 6:37:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4arc:
dinger,

I just finished a West Coast version and you are more than welcome to join me at the range this weekend and shoot it.
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When and where?  I'm in need of some range time.
Scott
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 6:56:35 PM EDT
IM M4arc or myself and we will try to hook up with you.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 7:13:17 PM EDT
[url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=84413&c=500&z=1"][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/084413.jpg[/img][/url]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 7:24:46 PM EDT
Not bad, keep them coming! Thanks to everybody for digging these photos up.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 7:30:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2003 7:36:26 PM EDT by ch11x]
Originally Posted By Yojimbo:
I found the pics below, I'm not sure which ones are West or East coast versions.  Warning they are large!

Also check this PDF file, on page 11 there are some specs for the SAM-R.
[url]http://www.mcwl.quantico.usmc.mil/divisions/expops/aar/guam_final.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/aa4ec8c70489e93c85256df30030953c/$FILE/031127-TurkeyDeliv-030.jpg[/url]

Another one with a different configuration.  Note, optics are not ACOG, flip-up front sight and harris bi-pod.

[url]http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/6a8d2ca0216e766d85256d9b0061ebdf/$FILE/CORifle.jpg[/url]
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Anybody know the type/mfg of gas block/flip up site on the rifle in the second picture w/ the two marines?
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 8:47:27 PM EDT
Well, I'm guess I'm actually keeping up with the trends. I'm working on a "Midwest SAM" [:)]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 11:15:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ch11x:

Anybody know the type/mfg of gas block/flip up site on the rifle in the second picture w/ the two marines?
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KAC's flip up front sight/gas block bay lug combo.

Mil only so far.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 10:33:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KevinB:
Originally Posted By ch11x:

Anybody know the type/mfg of gas block/flip up site on the rifle in the second picture w/ the two marines?
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KAC's flip up front sight/gas block bay lug combo.

Mil only so far.
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If I'm remembering correctly Kevin_B has a dam nice "SAM" rifle in his collestion.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 10:55:18 AM EDT
Well I want a 20" URX SAM w/ KAC frontSightGasblock ...


I would hedge a guess that will be the USMC SAM went it all comes out.

We dropped out SAM project, the MRS - Marksman Rifle System in favour of a 7.62mm version curently the AR10T w/ mods (too cheap to go KAC).

Link Posted: 1/1/2004 11:13:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2004 11:14:31 AM EDT by Va_Dinger]
Kevin, I was refering to this little "gem" of yours.


[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=17975[/img]

Link Posted: 1/1/2004 11:24:50 AM EDT
Ah, yes

Same rifle here but with fixed stock and GG&G FSGB

[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=8954[/img]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 11:33:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KevinB:
Ah, yes

Same rifle here but with fixed stock and GG&G FSGB

[url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=8954[/url]
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KevinB,

Have you had a chance to handle the KAC FSGB (like on the SAM rifle).  I'm curious as to difference between it and the GG&G (mounting, sight height).  I am thinking about mounting a front sight gas block of this type, inside a KAC MRE, where the front sight post sits.  I think it will fit, but still trying to do the research.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 11:41:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
Well, I'm guess I'm actually keeping up with the trends. I'm working on a "Midwest SAM" [:)]
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Well you have to keep up with the jones's...or in this case the KevinB's and the M4arc's [;)]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 12:27:47 PM EDT
bsbg did one before the military officially did:

[img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/056027.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 12:33:05 PM EDT
[img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pf1618623964341aa10302bfe3619dad4/fc3ef14f.jpg[/img]
My TA31 is doing duty on other rifles [:)]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 12:33:19 PM EDT
bsbg is who motivated me to build one.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 12:49:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ch11x:
KevinB,

Have you had a chance to handle the KAC FSGB (like on the SAM rifle).  I'm curious as to difference between it and the GG&G (mounting, sight height).  I am thinking about mounting a front sight gas block of this type, inside a KAC MRE, where the front sight post sits.  I think it will fit, but still trying to do the research.
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The KAC is spring loaded and locks up and down or just tension up with the spring.

Both are of similar dimensions - I would guess they would both fit inside the MRE as they are similar dimenioned to the Standard Fixed FSGB.

KAC's however is still a gov't only item...
Which would I guess add to the desireability, but it is kick ass and I plan on adding them to my civy rifles when they are available (same with URXII).


I for one would not call the ACOG and M5RAS a SAM as that is more of just a rifleman rifle, the Squad Advanced Marksman is expected to engage and identify tgts past those of the rest of the rifleman - so the M3LR or TS30 and a FF RAS or URX are much more suitable.






-KEVIN



Link Posted: 1/1/2004 1:47:36 PM EDT
I respectfully disagree, KevinB...The addition of a high powered {and relativly more fragile) optic turns a SAM into a "sniper" weapon, a niche unfit for the 5.56...

"Sniper" rifles are platoon level and call for 7.62...which leaves plenty of room for lotsa SAMs...
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 1:59:08 PM EDT
Storm,
However is this day and age we have smaller units deploying.  We are looking at a four man IOM system as are other NATO armies.  

We deploy platoon marksmen with a 7.62mm AR10 (we do not consider them snipers, as our snipers are Bn and higher assets - with .338 and .50 capability).  

However a section/squad that has to be deployed seperately to do a VCP or security for a cordon and search etc. they will do so w/o the PL DM.  It is at this point the SAM/MRS comes in to its own.  Not only will he be called upon to do overwatch of the section/squad but will also have to id potential theat beyond the squad immediate detection range as well as provide precision fire (in the age of MOUT and limiting civilian/noncombatant casualties).  
For that the bipod and a FF Tube as well as a higher than 4x variable sight.




Link Posted: 1/1/2004 2:29:33 PM EDT
Here is my East Coast SAM,
[img]mysite.verizon.net/vze1ywph/JPGS/TA31S.jpg[/img]
or something similar.
Link Posted: 1/2/2004 1:12:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2004 1:20:06 AM EDT
Troy,
You might want to wait till after SHOT...


Link Posted: 1/2/2004 1:48:19 AM EDT
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