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Posted: 1/1/2003 4:42:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 4:52:40 PM EDT
Olympic Arms also has a M4 profile barrel.  Its stainless steel with a black oxide finish, I believe.
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 4:53:00 PM EDT
cast or forged lower recievers [?]
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 5:02:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 5:08:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2003 5:11:12 PM EDT by Hanz]
Great Idea! Should be a good reference for all. I'll have to save it for quick answer to the old "Which AR Should I Buy" post.

I have a 20" Government Profile chrome-lined barrel with a 1/7 twist made by DPMS.  It may not be cataloged but CMMG has them (overrun?). [url=http://www.cmmginc.com/inventory_a/uppers_tbl.html]Proof[/url]

Something tells me your nice spreadsheet is going to have a lot more footnotes than anyone imagined.  As you know, ARs get awfully funky. Hell, my head spins when people start talking about all the different Colt AR-15s and their boxes. I guess that's why I try to stick with Bushy[;)]  

Edited to fix link
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 5:10:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 5:16:22 PM EDT
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RRA offers their varmint models in 1:8 and 24" 1:12 (Special Order on the 24" 1:12)
[url=http://www.rockriverarms.com/rra_varmint1.htm]RRA Varmint Uppers listing[/url]

Link Posted: 1/1/2003 7:32:31 PM EDT
Chrome lined chambers?
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 8:45:01 PM EDT
i got an M4 barrel from dpms;  CHROME LINED & 1:7 twist..14.5"

Link Posted: 1/1/2003 8:49:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By paltik:
i got an M4 barrel from dpms;  CHROME LINED & 1:7 twist..14.5"

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That was probably a special order item done on contract for a distributor.  DPMS rarely chrome lines barrels.  They don't do it on special rewquest from individuals (neither the lining nor the 1:7) as far as i know or have heard.
Link Posted: 1/1/2003 10:06:31 PM EDT
I just order an AR from Rock River.  They have a Limited Lifetime warranty...  

Link Posted: 1/2/2003 3:33:38 AM EDT
Great Chart!  Can you pin it to the top of the message board when it's done?
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 6:15:43 AM EDT
Great chart Troy!  Thanks for taking the time to put this together.  It will save us members a lot of time digging on our own.

Thanks again!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 6:19:46 AM EDT
What about Les Baer and Wilson Combat?
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 6:33:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mbsk01:
What about Les Baer and Wilson Combat?
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... Fulton Armory

Link Posted: 1/2/2003 7:00:14 AM EDT
Hey all and Happy New Year.

I was talking to Olympic last week and they said that they went to a hard-ano finish in the past couple years. Can anyone else(like Mark B.) independantly verify?

Also, at the risk of this chart growing like topsy. Or stirring up a huge controversy. I have always been curious from where AR manufacturers source their small parts.

For example, how many REAL manufacturers of stocks, gas tubes, barrels, fire-control parts, etc... are out there, who are they and if they are sole-source.

Sorry if this isn't the right place or if this project has already been done.

-Z out
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 7:00:25 AM EDT
Maybe instead of yes or no on barrel steel, put the type that the company uses.

Great chart!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 9:05:26 AM EDT
How about the DPMS extruded uppers?? I have one on my .300/.221 Fireball.
Flat tops offered?? Risers or elevated mounts??
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 9:10:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Silver78:
Great Chart!  Can you pin it to the top of the message board when it's done?
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That can be arranged!

Troy, IM me when its done and ill set it up.

BTW, Troy is the man!!!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:47:42 AM EDT

DPMS - coulda sworn that they said .223 Wylde chamber, I'll check my manual.  DPMS also has Stainless Steel lowers or is that under forged?

Warranty on DPMS is 3 years IIRC.  I am at work now but I can check when I get home.

Left handed models?
upper variations? A1, A2, A3, high/low etc or would this be too many options?
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 1:06:35 PM EDT
Troy, how about a note concerning Colt's chrome lining (you know all chambers are lined - but the bores are now only lined on the military profile barrels)?
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 1:32:37 PM EDT
I am fairly new with ar's. Could someone explane the .223 Wylde chamber for me? Thanks in advance.

Link Posted: 1/2/2003 1:52:49 PM EDT
One of my DPMS (M4 profile)uppers is 1x7 chrome lined, has the M4 feed ramps, and according to CMMG, is 4150 steel.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 2:07:07 PM EDT
Thanks, Troy, for the work.
If people reimbursed you with even [i]half[/i] of the labor you've saved them with compilations like this, then you'd have lots of hands on your time.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 2:15:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/2/2003 3:36:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy:
I should explain this a bit better.

I know there are lots of exceptions, but this chart is primarily for configurations that are normally stocked and available as either complete rifles or complete uppers.
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Ok... Maybe add the number of configurations available (perhaps complete rifles only?)

Average retail price range. Or to use a benchmark; average retail price for a common set-up such as an A-2.

Pre-ban configuartions available for LEO [:(]
Yes... No.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 4:08:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Clint:
I am fairly new with ar's. Could someone explane the .223 Wylde chamber for me? Thanks in advance.

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It was designed by Bill Wylde; a well respected high-power shooter.

He developed it because he thought the US was going to manufacture National match ammo in 5.56
but it never came about.

I belive the Wylde chamber is the same as the 5.56 NATO chamber, except that the throat is shorter.

I've put everything from South African, Federal XM-193, Winchester Q3131A and various offerings of Black Hills .223 through mine without any problems.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 8:55:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 9:00:30 PM EDT
RRA varmint uppers are not special order and have been a full line item since I saw them 2 years ago.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 9:42:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 9:47:24 PM EDT
Looking Good Troy!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 10:24:59 PM EDT
I am checking on Oly coating.

Oly's standard twist rate dependends on which rifles you get.  A PCR-1/2/3 standard is 1:10 with 1:8 being optional at no additioanl cost.  PCR-4/5/7 are 1:9 with 3 or 4 other optional twist rates available.

When did RRA go lifetime warrenty?

Barrel steel is also rifle dependant.  PCR-1/2/3 are SS where PCR-4/5/6/7/8 are 4140 with SS being optional.

DPMS has some rifles with SS and others 4140...

DPMS warraty is 3 years.

Some suggestions to add for rows for each manufacturer:

DCM rifle
Left handed rifle (eject brass out left side) - DPMS is only one I know of
Stainless steel lower (DPMS for sure, Oly no)

The % of total market is incorrect if you include military because you have not included FN into the chart.

Overall nice job!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 10:57:52 PM EDT
Nice work Troy.
I'll bet you will have to give each mfgr it's own little spread sheet when that one grows into a monster!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:39:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:44:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:30:18 AM EDT
One thing my inquiring mind would like to know,
You reference barrel sources, (own or "company name")
I would like to see upper/lower sources, ie does the company machine their own uppers/lowers in house or do the buy them machined from a outside source?

Great chart,
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:28:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 5:34:11 AM EDT by nechronius]
Originally Posted By Troy:

True, but FN has zero civilian sales, so they weren't included in the total either.  The #'s given were a percentage of the total market based on a total of those manufacturers.

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I still wouldn't mind seeing some data about FN rifles if possible.  Perhaps they don't sell complete rifles but do individual components end up on the civilian market that are worth mentioning?  Lately this individual on eBay has been cropping with FN uppers, not sure if they're entirely FN or parts uppers.

Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:18:39 AM EDT
ASA advertises on their web site and in their literature a "lifetime" warranty to the original purchaser.  (Nothing is provided in writing at the time of purchase.)  However, if you search through the AR15.com site, it will become apparent what that "warranty" is really worth!  I have seen numerous complaints about ASA and Hesse on this site.  Is it wise to include them in this comparison?  Is a footnote warranted?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:32:51 AM EDT
Hey troy, your chart states that armalite is 223./5.56 you can run that in any rifle just about,and that bushy ,colt is 5.56 ARMALITE is 5.56 chamberd,are you talking about the ones mad more then a year ago?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:18:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 9:31:59 AM EDT by budam]
I just verified that Oly is hard coat anodized.  

I had looked up the warranty for RRA a while back and I thought it was 1 year, but I cannot find my RRA catalog, so I am unsure at this point.

Anyone have a RRA catalog that they can share what it says?

The reason why I mentioned FN is because you are including military sales into the numbers,  but when you include FN, which does only military, than the percentages change quite a bit for the rest.

You may want to footnote that FN is not included as they do not make any commercially available rifles and adjust percentgaes accordingly.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:58:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By budam:

Anyone have a RRA catalog that they can share what it says?

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The catalog is just a printed copy of the website, however... I did find the warranty card.


Rock River Arms warrants to the initial retail purchaser, for his/her lifetime,that this firearm used under normal conditions, will be free of defects in parts, material and workmanship which affect satisfactory operation of the firearm. This warranty is in force only upon the completion of this warranty form by the purchaser and transmittal to ROCK RIVER ARMS."

There's more, but this should be enough to answer the question.

If I can get my scanner working, I'll post a .jpg of the warrenty card.

Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:20:35 PM EDT
Troy, great work!

One thing, I believe the Bushmaster Varminter uses a SAAMI spec .223 chamber rather than a 5.56 chamber.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 2:18:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 5:37:39 AM EDT
ArmaLite also offers 1:8 twist barrels and complete uppers.

Link Posted: 1/7/2003 12:14:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 00Moonshine:
Troy, great work!

One thing, I believe the Bushmaster Varminter uses a SAAMI spec .223 chamber rather than a 5.56 chamber.
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The Bushy DCM rifle is also .223

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