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Posted: 1/5/2005 1:16:15 PM EDT
On the History Channel's "History of the M-16", one of the
participants said optimum load for a twenty round magazine is 16 rounds.
That conflicts with the 18 round number I've learned.
Which is correct?
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:37:50 PM EDT
20 rounds
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2005 1:56:18 PM EDT by Londo]
Looking for optimum,
not maximum.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:53:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2005 1:53:23 PM EDT by repub18]

Originally Posted By Londo:
Sorry.
That is incorrect.





Trust me, you can load a "20 rounder" with 20 rounds and it will function 100%
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:54:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
Sorry.
That is incorrect.


It is perfectly correct.  the "18" round rule was put in place because soldiers would disassemble their 20 round mags to clean them, and install the spring incorrectly when reassembling them.  A properly assembled 20 round mag will function 100% with 20 rounds loaded into it.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:56:12 PM EDT
30 rounds

Why have hamburger when you can have steak.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 1:59:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mead:
30 rounds

Why have hamburger when you can have steak.




Bad analogy,   20 rounders are great for bench shooting and trying to keep your ammo costs down....  
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 2:01:31 PM EDT
So the rep from the firearms museum, an acknowledged
expert..and the guys (several) who I've spent thousands of
dollars training with are all full of it?
How are the troops told to load their weapons?
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 2:07:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
So the rep from the firearms museum, an acknowledged
expert..and the guys (several) who I've spent thousands of
dollars training with are all full of it?

How are the troops told to load their weapons?




Not full of it but just misinformed.....   Like gloftoe said the reason why the army told its troops to only load 18 rounds was because of the spring that was often installed wrong and got messed up when cleaning.  A properly insatlled spring on a USGI 20 rounder will work 100% when load to full capacity
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 2:22:09 PM EDT
The expert on the History channel said the 16 round rule
was to compensate for spring wear. He didn't mention grunts
mis-assembling the mag.
My trainers have all said it was for  feed reliability.
I ask again....what does the military tell the troops to do?
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 2:26:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
The expert on the History channel said the 16 round rule
was to compensate for spring wear. He didn't mention grunts
mis-assembling the mag.
My trainers have all said it was for  feed reliability.
I ask again....what does the military tell the troops to do?


I don't know what the military tells the troops to do.  However, the "expert" on the History channel, as well as your trainers are mistaken.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 3:14:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
The expert on the History channel said the 16 round rule
was to compensate for spring wear. He didn't mention grunts
mis-assembling the mag.
My trainers have all said it was for  feed reliability.
I ask again....what does the military tell the troops to do?




everything you see on TV is not correct as well....  The only thing that will damage a spring is extended use and overcompression and loading 20 rounds in a 20 round magazine is doing neither.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 3:32:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 3:53:16 PM EDT
Thanks guys.

Amazing the amount of mis information that
is floating around.
I'll load twenty from here on.
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 5:53:51 PM EDT
Plain and simple, if it says 20rds.. load upto 20, if it says 30rds.. load upto 30.     They are reliable with their max. cap. being utilized.  The military says 30rds in a 30rd mag. (at least they did back in the early 90's)


~D~

SNS
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 8:32:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2005 8:34:03 PM EDT by SUPR-Shooter]
I'm new here but I did spend 12 years in Uncle Sam's gun club....

we were 1:  Taught how to properly assemble and test a magzine.

              2: 20 round mags loaded to guess what .... 20 rounds ( never used 'em in combat )        did use them while on assorted armed guard posts...
   
              3: 30 round mags loaded to 30 rounds....

                      carried 6  30 round mags in 2 carriers
                      carried 1  30 round mag in weapon for a total combat load of 210 rounds...


          carried 4 or 5 seven pocket bandoleers with 3 strips stuffed in each pocket in ruck...           ( company was quite liberal when i was with joint task forces....
Link Posted: 1/5/2005 9:14:15 PM EDT
the only reason to ever need to download a mag from 30 to 28 or from 20 to 18 is for tactical reloads...I E quick reloads on a closed bolt, it just makes it easier for the mag to seat properly without having to give the bottum a hard slap
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 12:19:08 AM EDT
you should always give the bottom a hard slap anyway.  It really suucks if you start shooting any your mag falls out or you end up with an empty chamber after the first shot.
Link Posted: 1/6/2005 5:08:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2005 5:09:49 AM EDT by eklikwhoa]
i always load 20.


why wouldnt you? what would the point of a 20 rounder that never sees 20 rounds


why not get a 10 rounder or put some sort of block off in your twenty even
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 1:57:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
So the rep from the firearms museum, an acknowledged
expert..and the guys (several) who I've spent thousands of
dollars training with are all full of it?
How are the troops told to load their weapons?


 He's not the "rep" he is the curator.  He is a Viet Nam vet but don't ask me where he got his info.  I've heard the "18 round myth" but 16 rounds to "save the spring" is a new one.  I think the whole thing is a giant myth sort of like the Mattel manufactured M16 (or furniture depending who tells the story)or the one I keep hearing that bullets tumble just after they leave the barrel of an M16 (I can't tell you how many "combat vetrans" have told me that one!!!) He also misidentifies an XM16E1 as an M16A1.  The military and every single military manual tells you to fill the mag to capacity for both the M16 and M9.  Thats why strippers hold 10 rounds and not 8 or 9.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 4:08:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2005 6:53:26 AM EDT by Q3131A]

Originally Posted By repub18:
20 rounds



20 in a 20; 30 in a 30
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:58:38 AM EDT
Mattel-produced M16's should have their 20 round magazines loaded to 18 rounds, all others should have their mags loaded to 20.




Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:06:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Mattel-produced M16's should have their 20 round magazines loaded to 18 rounds, all others should have their mags loaded to 20.






How do they get the bullets to "tumble" right out of the barrel???  Is it a Mattel Company secret??
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:00:50 PM EDT
Just spoke with my dad (I'm a youngin') - he said they were told in 'Nam to only load to 18. I corrected him. :)
Link Posted: 1/12/2005 1:59:03 PM EDT
I was a paratrooper with 101st Airborne in 1970 to 73. I was told to load 18 like everyone else at that time but loaded 20 with never a problem, just liked doing things my own way.
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