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Posted: 6/14/2007 3:48:37 PM EDT
Saw an Olympic Arms carbon 15 in local gunshop,

Was interested but never heard of the manufacturer,

Any proud owners?
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 3:58:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 3:59:51 PM EDT
Oh my...
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 4:06:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/14/2007 4:24:47 PM EDT by thedoctors308]
The Gospel According to markm.
Hear ye unto him, Jethro!



Originally Posted By markm:


Originally Posted By Banzai:

I USED TO SELL OLYMPICS.

I also stock Colts, BM, RRA, and AR.
Wanna know what the #1 most repaired AR15 in my shop is? OLYMPIC.
I don't sell them anymore.
Wanna know what the most repaired AR15 in my store is now? Still the OLYMPIC.
Wanna know what I've had to send Olys back for? You name it.
Wanna know how hard it is to get repair parts/replacement parts/financial reimbursement for shipping NEW guns back to OLY for warranty work as a gun dealer? IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Several distributors have even stopped carrying Olympic rifles because of the high reject rate once they get to the dealers.

They might, sometimes, take care of the individual owner, but as a dealer, I believe that they have a black list, and if you're on it, you're screwed.

I've actually had OLY on the phone with a customer in my shop, and they have actually told the guy that there was nothing wrong, and if he shipped it back, they would not fix it. The rifle had a broken bolt. Sheared off 2 lugs, broke at the cam pin hole, and damaged the bolt carrier.

I fixed it, with BM parts that were available to me at the time. I sent the bill to OLY, never got a response. Sold the debt off to a collection agency, along with all the other repairs that I had to do on OLY guns. Now, if an OLY comes in for repair, I advise the individual that it will cost them an open ended amount and get them to sign the estimate before I'll even touch it.

SHOT show 2002 I took them a box of the parts that I had replaced from their guns that I could not get reimbursement for.

I'll guarntee I've owned/handled/shot more OLYs since 1999 than you ever will, unless you work at Oly or a gun store.

There is, at best 15% profit in retail guns. Olys eat up my 15% on repair parts/shipping/gunsmith time almost as soon as they get unpacked. No more!

Now, about their issues, still "Pretty sure they have been resolved by now" ?????

Or is my post worthless, too?

Tom


And….


Originally Posted By zoom:
...With my Oly lower, that jerk blamed the magazines even though my cast Oly lower was so out of spec that the back of an inserted magazine hits the bolt and keeps the bolt from closing. This was after trying about 30 different magazines at a gun show. None of them worked. Tom called me lazy since I was unwilling to modify all of the magazines I own rather than asking for an RMA #. I modified a couple of magazines anyway, but while shooting they'd still work their way upward to block the bolt. I've had that piece of junk for over five years, and I have never gotten anywhere towards getting them to honor their warranty. They just don't give a damn.z


and..


Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:

WEeused to be a Oly dealer used to be the operative word

We had to send probably 25% of the cast plinkers we sold back for repair and probably 10% of the regular Olys

had about the same luck with DPMS

probably sold about 50 plinkers

The failure rate of the other better ( A ,B ,C ,RRA) brands is probably about 1% in my experence



and this guy ..


Originally Posted By MACE_Hardware:
My first AR was a CAR15 Oly kit. The bolt carrier was tight in the upper until I honed the upper. I figured it was a kit so I should not be upset about some fitting.


And..


Originally Posted By AR15_Machine:
I bought an Oly Arms 15 years ago and after using it on 5 different occasions the bolt catch broke. The part looked like broken pot metal. Any way, Mine was bought 15 years ago at a gun show, perhaps the newer modles are of better quality forged uppers and lowers, where mine is clearly cast. My next one might be a stag, but not sure.

My Oly arms looks great and shoots very well, but I often wonder what is the next part that is going to bust.


And my good man, Hellhound…


Originally Posted By Hellhound:
I bought a NEW FACTORY 16" Oly CAR back in 1993-1994, with a non-chrome barrel---I bought their marketing BS....

The barrel was shit.

Would jam (feeding and extraction) about 5 rounds into a mag and then jam about every 2.

Went through new springs for the extractor, the little o ring thingie, chamber brushing, new mags (USGI), everything imaginable....

I sold the barrel to someone who was going to use it for a .22 conversion, great idea for them.

I bought a chrome-lined RRA middie barrel, installed it on my Oly and have had 0 problems.

The other components of the gun are just fine, no problems there.

Spend a little more money and get a better barrel, it will save you a lot of aggravation.

Please don't make the same mistake I made.


another satisfied customer...


Originally Posted By tweeter:
I loved them so much I made an active effort to get rid of mine.

Like a relationship with a crazy woman, I could tolerate the flaws at first. Mostly because I got the results I was looking for, then the flaws became un-freaking-bearable.

I found out I could do a lot better... Oly got kicked to the curb.


and this...


Originally Posted By M4:
I used to live in Olympia WA...and after calling Oly Arms, drove out to check out their facility.

When I got there, a few things became rather clear.

1) Their "factory" looked like the set of Sanford & Son. (Absolutely NOT kidding)

2) Despite being told "Sure, come on down!" on the phone, when I got there, I was dealt with like I was Diane Feinstein by EVERYONE. One guy was pleasant and answered my questions...so not a total disaster, but the rest were pricks in general.

3) There was nothing and I mean NOTHING about their "facility" that looked suitable for manufacturing dog toys, let alone firearms.

If you never get a 2nd chance to make 1st impressions, Oly lost me COMPLETELY with that one.


and this sad tale...


Originally Posted By extxdpscamaro:
I bought a new plinker back in '04 since it was cheap and new. I also bought some Black Hills ammo and shot the first box of 20 fine the second box didn't go as fine. On my 32nd round I heard a loud "clank" inside of the plinker and so I pulled the mag, emptied the chamber, well, I tried to empty the chamber but couldn't. I tried to engage the safety and couldn't. I tried to break the rifle apart and couldn't. I eventually had to take off the stock and buffer tube. When I took the tube off, I found that the buffer and spring were inside the upper receiver. I took them out then was able to open the gun to see what was going on. The lower receiver broke right in front of the buffer retaining pin, throwing the retaining pin into the trigger grouping. I called Olympic and wanted to see what could be done and they say I would have to pay for shipping both ways and the armorers hourly rate was $55/hr. I told them that I wasn't happy and offered some stickers for my inconvenience. I have since parted the gun and washed my hands of the worst experience I've ever had with a firearm. I've then since owned RRA, Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS, even Colt and would go back to them again and again. Learn from our COSTLY mistakes and be happier!


we're on a roll here:


Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
I sent a lower in to them for repair. Pin holes so mis aligned it wasnt even funny. Took them 3 MONTHS to tell me there was nothing wrong with it . But they replaced it anyway.

Different serial #.. Same exact problem. My dog...Can build a better gun.


pictures are worth 1000 words...


Originally Posted By Jetlag:




Tales of woe...


Originally Posted By Phessor:
I had one KABOOM on me with less then 300 rounds through it.
And then Oly lied about what caused the problem.
I will never own another one again.
Phessor


More...


Originally Posted By DFC:
OlY has been around for a long time, I used their receivers in the 80's to build machine guns. I can't tell you the amount of brand new rejected parts that were returned to OLY for replacement.
They are still in business!!!
I think there is a saying, kinda like. There's a fool born every minute of the day.
So if you are one.


More...


Originally Posted By flyboy1910:
I've shopped at Prairie Arms. The owner recommended an Oly saying they " make best AR-15 on the market". Haven't been back, and I would not call them a reliable source of information. Pick up an Oly he had on the shelf and hand cycled it. Felt like the inner workings were lined with sand paper (not typical pre-break in either). Needless to say, I didn't buy it.


Jesus...


Originally Posted By Glockfan:
I owned one and never again a total pos and even worst service. These guys are scum in my opinion and will never get another dollar from me.
Pat


More...


Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
Yes, they are that bad. How they stay in business is beyond comprehension. I have one. The only part left original OLY is the lower and even the parts kit has been changed out to a RRA match kit. Therefore the only part left original OLY is the stripped lower, which is the part that matters the least.

OLY = Caveat Emptor.


AR15fan shares his wisdom...


Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Ive broke an oly forward assist, several bolt catches, a mag catch, wore out hammer springs, disconnector springs, extractor spring, dimpled firing pins, handguard that fitr with gaps, receiver end plates had the finish flake off and rust, frozen bolt catch detents, frozen safety detents.

I wont buy anotrher Oly product, ever. For budget parts i go with DPMS, Bushmaster & CMT. If i need better quality then that i buy Colt from Brownells or SAW.


MauserMark checks in...


Originally Posted By MauserMark:
I saw at a shoot here a bolt seperate. Don't remember which arfcom member's it was, but it seperated in use, and it was an Oly bolt.


More...


Originally Posted By SHIPSNIPE1:
Yes, I do have the unfortunate experience of having owned some Oly products and did try to assemble a couple of their lowers for a friend once.

I learned the lesson.
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 4:07:43 PM EDT
This a joke thread right?
Carbon fiber Oly?
OK...it's funny
I would rather buy ANYTHING other than OLY or Vulcan...especially Carbon fiber stuff from either maker.
That's like buying plastic drill bits, or paper helmets.
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 4:09:17 PM EDT
One way an Olympic could be worse would be to be a carbon Olympic.

IBMM

Seydou
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 4:10:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/14/2007 4:12:00 PM EDT by tweeter]
For the same money, there are much better options out there.

The carbon-series rifles and pistols from Olympic are notoriously out of spec. Be careful.

ETA: If you're in the market for a lightweight carbine or rifle, Cav Arms would be worth looking at.
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 4:25:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bshizzle:


Any proud owners?


Link Posted: 6/14/2007 5:03:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M4builder:
...........That's like buying plastic drill bits.............


Link Posted: 6/14/2007 5:18:23 PM EDT
They are the crappiest of the crappiest. Don't even say their name unless you are referencing the world-wide games that take place every four years.
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 5:42:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/14/2007 5:47:39 PM EDT by Baldmonk]
I think every one should own one. Just so they know what good quality isn't. I have one that the only part that left is the lower reciever and even that has another manufactures parts kit now.

edited 'cause I can't spell or write.
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 5:45:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clasky:
They are the crappiest of the crappiest. Don't even say their name unless you are referencing the world-wide games that take place every four years.

So, you think Vulcan/ Hesse is better???
Link Posted: 6/14/2007 5:51:51 PM EDT
Oly used to be an advertiser on this site, but they left in a huft. They later poked fun at Goatboy(juan) on their website. That was very unprofessional. The Avila's are good people, and personally I don't think they deserved the criticism.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 3:38:13 AM EDT
OK, I'll say it. I've got an Oly K3B CAR. The thing runs like a champ. Given my personal experience with this one, I'd buy another Oly without hesitation.

I don't know about their customer service, since I've never had to use it.


Link Posted: 6/15/2007 6:46:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LeeMelone:
OK, I'll say it. I've got an Oly K3B CAR. The thing runs like a champ. Given my personal experience with this one, I'd buy another Oly without hesitation.

I don't know about their customer service, since I've never had to use it.




Just curious... What's the round count on yours?
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:05:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LeeMelone:
OK, I'll say it. I've got an Oly K3B CAR. The thing runs like a champ. Given my personal experience with this one, I'd buy another Oly without hesitation.

I don't know about their customer service, since I've never had to use it.



This is how you spend your first post?
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:09:26 AM EDT
I hear they make good trotline weights...
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:15:39 AM EDT
Back in the ban days I had two olympics, mainly because that is what I could find. The first one had a lot of rounds through it when I bought it and I put a lot around through it. Wolf for the most part. The second one was a re-serialized lower which I put a bushmaster m4gery upper on. So I only have experience with one complete gun but it functioned fine. I have some respect for Olympic because they were re-serializing lowers in the ban days when no one else was, to my knowledge. I have looked at a few at the local gun shops just to look over quality, I would never buy one now that I have options. From what I have seen fit and finish is worse than it was in the ban days.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:45:16 AM EDT
After looking at this, I am really glad someone helped me decide on a RR and not an olympic arms. Had actually seriously considered an olympic arms rifle when I first started looking for an AR, but asked a lot of questions.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:48:59 AM EDT
I have a couple and they are fine.

I will say I wrote an email question to them and copied two different people on it. I got completely different answers from them, so I called to get the correct information.

I have their Prototype 6.8SPC in 20", that's what I wrote to them about, I aksed if it could handle the Hot Combat loads, the first reply I got said yes you can no problem. Then the 2nd guy answered and said no I could not, so I called him an he explained. I told him what the first guy said and he told me the 1st guy was in sales and should not have answered a technical question.

I do know they have had some quality issues in the past that they are still paying for. That translates into a cheaper price for the consumer today.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 7:51:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bshizzle:
Saw an Olympic Arms carbon 15 in local gunshop,

Was interested but never heard of the manufacturer,

Any proud owners?




every kid wants a pony ((((((((( COLT )))))))))) !!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 9:14:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LeeMelone:
OK, I'll say it. I've got an Oly K3B CAR. The thing runs like a champ. Given my personal experience with this one, I'd buy another Oly without hesitation.

I don't know about their customer service, since I've never had to use it.


Everyone who loves lympic is from Washington State.
Something in the water or Tom Spitballer's troll accounts?
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 9:42:09 AM EDT
there are better quality ARs out there--oly is not the worst, but not my 1st choice
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 9:43:34 AM EDT
I think Vulcan/ Hesse holds the title of the worst.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 9:49:03 AM EDT
I have an Oly-Arms Plinker-plus, put aprox 4k of wolf thru it without a problem. I've used an old usgi a1 barrel for the last 1k or rounds, but I'm still using the old upper it came with. Some parts are kinda rough in finish, but I knew that going in. I'd buy something higher quality if you intend to use it for more than range use though (like self defense/etc). Not bad for somebody on a budget who isn't familiar/intrested in putting together a rifle.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:40:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 10:44:14 AM EDT by Badass03]

Originally Posted By LeeMelone:
OK, I'll say it. I've got an Oly K3B CAR. The thing runs like a champ. Given my personal experience with this one, I'd buy another Oly without hesitation.

I don't know about their customer service, since I've never had to use it.




This is what I have as well and it is a great rifle


ETA: By great rifle I mean that with more than 10,000 rounds down pipe I have not had one FTF or FTE. I can also shoot around a 2ish inch group at 100 yards with the irons. YMMV
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 11:26:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 1:16:15 PM EDT by LeeMelone]
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Just curious... What's the round count on yours?


My round count is just under 7500. I'm guessing a problem would have showed up by now.

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Everyone who loves lympic is from Washington State.
Something in the water or Tom Spitballer's troll accounts?


Yeah. Or maybe mine works.


Link Posted: 6/15/2007 1:30:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeeMelone:

Just curious... What's the round count on yours?


My round count is just under 7500. I'm guessing a problem would have showed up by now.


Everyone who loves lympic is from Washington State.
Something in the water or Tom Spitballer's troll accounts?


Yeah. Or maybe mine works.




You should expect to get 7500rds through most manufacturer's ARs.

I have witnessed at least three Oly rifles that didn't make it through one mag.

Their cast lowers are better off used as paperweights as they are impossible to assemble without some major anodizing surgery to make up for Oly's inability to drill a hole straight through the reciever.

Customer service?

They'd do much better if they communicated with their customers, instead of taking credit card payments on items they
don't have in stock and not advising the customers of this status until a month later when the customer calls to ask WTF?

Happened to me twice.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 2:51:10 PM EDT
you may be right about their cast recievers, but they haven't made them in years. too many repeat what they have heard. not actually having used one. i have bought 2 plinkers from them in the last year and a half. both function fine, are very accurate, and really quite a bargain at 499 bucks. what do you want for 499 bucks, NEW. a rubber bisquit? one of mine has excellent finish, the 2nd had small pitts or pecks or whatever in the parkerizing, no big deal. i did'nt bitch because i feel i got more than i paid for. but around here, i don't suppose they will ever get a fair shake. i also own a bushmaster and a FN/DPMS, and all the know it all exerts will tell you if you own FN anything, its stolen or junk. BULL. take what you read on these boards with a grain of salt and make up your own mind. my first AR, A colt CAR15 bought new in 76, was no better than any AR i've owned since.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 4:27:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bshizzle:
Saw an Olympic Arms carbon 15 in local gunshop,

Was interested but never heard of the manufacturer,

Any proud owners?


A buddy of mine picked up an Oly carbon 15 several years back and couldn't get more than 3 rounds to fire without a jam. He took it back to the shop he bought it at and they shipped it back to Oly, who kept it for months. When it came back, nothing had changed and there was no indication they'd done a damn thing to fix it. The gun was useless.

He eventually tried to return it at the shop, which was also the only range he'd ever fired it at, and they said "no returns, but we'll give you a trade in".

They gave him a 50% trade in value on a gun that had less than 50 rounds through it because it was "defective". Everyone knew it was defective, just nobody cared.

He got a Bushmaster and now refuses to discuss the carbon-15 incident.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 5:30:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RapmasterT:

A buddy of mine picked up an Oly carbon 15 several years back and couldn't get more than 3 rounds to fire without a jam.


Olympic never made the Carbon 15 rifles
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 6:29:16 PM EDT
Olys are a good buy for the money, but near the bottom of the quality compared to many of the others. I especially like the Armalite ARs now!
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 6:40:45 PM EDT
I don't care much for Olympics complete rifles but their stainless ultramatch barrels are nice for accuracy.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 6:50:12 PM EDT
I was disappointed with their customer service....or should I say lack of customer service.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 5:38:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By stratsandaks:
I don't care much for Olympics complete rifles but their stainless ultramatch barrels are nice for accuracy.


That's what I would be interested in but there is massive confusion about the price.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 9:14:53 AM EDT
From the barrel makers I've talked to, many have said the ultramatch barrels are rough as hell and need to be lapped at the factory before the chamber ic cut. There are too many good barrels to choose from to get stuck with an oly barrel.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 10:19:16 AM EDT
I have a complete Olympic 16" lightweight that I have been very happy with. No malfunctions at all and it's very accurate. I also have a seperate 16" Olympic upper that has also been very good.

Having said that, I feel my Rock River is a better Rifle. It's as accurate as the seperate upper, but chrome lined. It seems put together better - little things like the square A2 type front site post instead of the round style front site post.

I wouldn't steer you away from Olympic, but judging from the negative comments that always come up in these threads, you may want to buy a rifle that you know works well - such as from a trusted friend that you know isn't just getting rid of a problem.


-K
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