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Posted: 9/29/2004 10:48:38 AM EST
I've been gone a while, so don't pelt me with "not again" and the like. Did we ever get an answer from the ATF on the legality of the use of an M-16 bolt carrier in an AR-15 rifle? I recall there was inquiry a year ago (a year ago? has it been that long?) but the search engine only lets me go back a month.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 10:58:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 10:58:38 AM EST by StrkAliteN]
It's illegal to jaywalk & everyone on earth does it.

No one but you will ever know you got an M16 BC in your AR.

Looking for answers on this thread will likely cause you more stress & worries than just slamming the BC in and forgetting about it.



Link Posted: 9/29/2004 11:30:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 11:32:37 AM EST
Two letters and the ATF WOULD NOT GIVE ME AN ANSWER. They will not answer because the answer is its legal and they just dont want a ton of M16 parts going into civilian hands.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:32:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By DevL:
Two letters and the ATF WOULD NOT GIVE ME AN ANSWER. They will not answer because the answer is its legal and they just dont want a ton of M16 parts going into civilian hands.



I totally agree.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:40:38 PM EST
I've had them for years. No house fires as of yet!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:49:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:56:55 PM EST
Been there, done that, still here!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:59:14 PM EST
Not to hijack, but are there any ill effects (aside from the legal aspects, which I find unfounded) to the rifle when running an M-16 with AR-15 lower parts?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:00:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 5:10:58 PM EST by Combat_Jack]

Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Not to hijack, but are there any ill effects (aside from the legal aspects, which I find unfounded) to the rifle when running an M-16 with AR-15 lower parts?


no, most who have an opinion think it runs better with the heavier carrier.

yes, it is legal. Its not a conversion part, it is the original design.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:06:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:12:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By mongo001:



If you're talking about the legal aspect, we've been over that.

if its cause I typed buffer instead of carrier, I fixed that. Sometimes I get a short between my brain and my hands.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:25:10 PM EST
Being that my Colt has a sear block and large fire control pins, I doubt they'll be getting me for constructive anything.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:47:02 PM EST
Why would I want a M16 carrier in my AR15? Are they more reliable? Is there any difference from the weight? Oh ya and who sells them at a good price?

Thanks Bill
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 5:52:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By gsd2053:
Why would I want a M16 carrier in my AR15? Are they more reliable? Is there any difference from the weight? Oh ya and who sells them at a good price?

Thanks Bill



Some say they are more reliable. I have LMT and CMMG stuff, and they came with them. CDNN has them, and MSTN sells LMT made auto carriers.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:36:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By mongo001:



If you're talking about the legal aspect, we've been over that.

if its cause I typed buffer instead of carrier, I fixed that. Sometimes I get a short between my brain and my hands.



This topic is old and it keeps coming up - thus the . My personal belief, based on the letter of the law and the lengthly discussion in the legal forum, differs from yours. Nothing new there.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 1:50:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I would have prepared an answer for why you felt you needed it once they convert your gun in minutes with the aid of your carrier and take you to court for constructive possesion. If your answer can convince a jury that your reasons were valid you should have no problem other than the court costs and lawyer's fees.



And your point is that the ATF will completely frame you IF and ONLY IF you have an M16 carrier in your rifle but, they will give you marshmallows and balloons if you dont? Does that really even make sense to you?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:10:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 8:11:08 AM EST by DevL]
There are two issues. One is the extra weight or the M16 carrier in the rear which trips an auto sear. Extra weight is a good thing and how the carrier was MEANT TO BE. Second is the ramp under the firing pin. It has to be cut away in an AR15 carrier to work with the notch in the hammer. This allows the gun to lock up and and completely jam if you had a disconnector problem instead of double. If your using a RRA carrier for example its just as easy to insert fulla uto parts with no disconnector and get it to double as an M16 carrier and therefore if your one of the pansies who shy away from the M16 carrier shy away from any carrier with a shrouded firing pin ramp.

I dont want my gun to lock up, I want it as reliable as possible. I want the extra weight. I want to throw my upper on someones registered FA lower and shoot it for the hell of it if I please. Therefore I use the M16 carrier and wrote two letters to the ATF telling them so. If I tell them and am still here why would you get in trouble when they dont know you even have it installed in writing like me? We have some slack jawwed faggots round here...
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:52:06 AM EST
Was that last sentence totally necessary?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 11:02:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 11:02:40 AM EST by DevL]
Not really but I just watched Predator on TV and it just came to mind.
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