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Posted: 5/10/2008 10:49:31 AM EDT
UPS dropped it of yesterday.............to dang bad I'm out of town working and won't be able to shoot until next week

ETA: I hauled ass home to give the upper a try....I'm suppose to be at work







Two more pics my wife took.



Got home today to take some quick pics....that's just dust in the pics.

I'm headed out to do some T&E.......stand by for an AAR















Link Posted: 5/10/2008 11:29:44 AM EDT
Could you post some pics of the bolt if you get a chance. Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 12:12:30 PM EDT
Yeah that sucks! Im leaving for two weeks on Monday. I have a huge Larue order that I have been waiting on and I just ordered a 22 tomahawk from spikes. My Larue order will probabally arrive while im gone and Ill be going crazy to get home to shoot. have fun with the 22 and let us know how it shoots
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 3:13:26 PM EDT

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Could you post some pics of the bolt if you get a chance. Thanks.


I'll try to post more pictures next week.
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 4:10:37 PM EDT
Looks nice! I can't wait to get mine in!

Got a nice spikes lower from the group buy coming in next weekend to mate it to as well
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 10:50:49 PM EDT
Spot reserved for my pic....when it gets here....
Link Posted: 5/10/2008 11:01:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:46:04 AM EDT


badazzar15, what is that on the end of the barrel.


Jack
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 9:27:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:01:48 PM EDT

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badazzar15, what is that on the end of the barrel.


Jack


Its a pinned Krink break to get an OAL of 16".


Oh Ok.


Added two more pics to the first post.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:35:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:40:22 PM EDT
Next to my duty rifle. Same length only .22 has a can.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:53:09 PM EDT
Nice
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:06:30 PM EDT

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www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/0124.JPGwww.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/00713.JPG


Oh man, that is a .22 set-up!!!!

If my state would "allow" suppressors, I wouldn't have a stray cat or dog problem.

To the OP: Congrats on your new upper, I suspect you'll have a good time and thanks for the pics.

Very nice gentlemen,
Scott
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 8:19:22 PM EDT
Do the 22 kits come with the lettering and designs on all the uppers, i.e. the spider on the top and the ST-22 on the side?
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 11:07:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 1:38:12 AM EDT
Do you have a choice as to whether or not the Spike's lettering is color filled?

Nice rig, btw.
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 6:21:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 10:43:18 AM EDT
Can a request be made to not have any laser engraving at all?
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 12:51:41 PM EDT

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Can a request be made to not have any laser engraving at all?


or maybe a smooth side upper receiver with no forward as and brass def
like a 9mm upper receiver.
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 1:55:47 PM EDT
Added nine more pics to the first post
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 3:01:46 PM EDT
bolt looks great !
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 3:10:39 PM EDT
Have you run any on full auto? Im still waiting on my auto-trip and anti-bounce weight.
Link Posted: 5/12/2008 3:24:26 PM EDT

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Have you run any on full auto? Im still waiting on my auto-trip and anti-bounce weight.


I'm to poor for FA.......check out the video in the first post.
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 5:42:12 AM EDT
Anyone had a chance to run subsonics with the new Spikes Bolts? Just curious as to whether they will function reliability since they set their system up to run on Fed Bulk Pack Ammo.
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 7:32:39 AM EDT
Video don't work. maybe i don't know how to operate it. nice looking rig too bad my wife wont buy me one since my birthday is tomorrow. wont the bolt finish come off if you use cleaner with copper remover in it?? it is nickle isn't it?
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 8:43:22 AM EDT
Is that really the new Spike bolt?    

Maybe I'm an idiot, but it looks like a nickle plated, modified ciener.

And the M1S barrel?   I thought those ran with modified cieners?

Maybe I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 9:25:53 AM EDT

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Is that really the new Spike bolt?    

Maybe I'm an idiot, but it looks like a nickle plated, modified ciener.

And the M1S barrel?   I thought those ran with modified cieners?

Maybe I'm wrong.


Spikes, original modified bolts were modified cieners. He re-designed them to improve function and reliability (Firing pin, extractor, feed ramp… ECT, have all been re-designed) and then had the bolt plated.
They are designed to be used with the same “barrel extension” configuration as the modified ciener bolts, but the design of new bolts have is a great improvement over the modified ciener.
Although the overall appearance might look like a ceiner, it is not.

As for the barrels, as far as i know Spike is having LOTHAR WALTHER produce his barrels in the future, but it looks like they won’t be ready for 100-150 days, so to prevent further delay he had to use the Shaw .22 barrels with the M1S stamp.
Which, by the way, are pretty damn accurate!!! Way more accurate than I ever expected them to be, especially since I am only running a 6” barrel… it’s just as accurate as my 18” stainless Ruger 10/22 at 100yds.  
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 12:46:08 PM EDT

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Is that really the new Spike bolt?    

Maybe I'm an idiot, but it looks like a nickle plated, modified ciener.

And the M1S barrel?   I thought those ran with modified cieners?

Maybe I'm wrong.


Spikes, original modified bolts were modified cieners. He re-designed them to improve function and reliability (Firing pin, extractor, feed ramp… ECT, have all been re-designed) and then had the bolt plated.
They are designed to be used with the same “barrel extension” configuration as the modified ciener bolts, but the design of new bolts have is a great improvement over the modified ciener.
Although the overall appearance might look like a ceiner, it is not.

As for the barrels, as far as i know Spike is having LOTHAR WALTHER produce his barrels in the future, but it looks like they won’t be ready for 100-150 days, so to prevent further delay he had to use the Shaw .22 barrels with the M1S stamp.
Which, by the way, are pretty damn accurate!!! Way more accurate than I ever expected them to be, especially since I am only running a 6” barrel… it’s just as accurate as my 18” stainless Ruger 10/22 at 100yds.  


Thanks for clearing that up for me.  I think I was under the impression the new bolts would have a chamber adapter to allow it to drop into any existiing upper.   Sounds like you'll need a new barrel to go with the new bolt.

Not a problem, but not what I thought.
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 1:33:13 PM EDT
As far as I know, he will be selling his bolts with a chamber adapter later.
The manufacturing of the dedicated bolts was first on the list of priorities.

You really are better off with a dedicated upper though…
1:9, 1:8, and 1:7 twist rates are way too fast for .22lr, the proper twist rate for .22lr is around 1:12 which is what the dedicated barrels are cut at.
Plus the fact that shooting .22lr in your 5.56 upper gloms up your gas system with crap (lead, wax, dirty powder…ECT)

Link Posted: 5/13/2008 3:31:49 PM EDT

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As far as I know, he will be selling his bolts with a chamber adapter later.
The manufacturing of the dedicated bolts was first on the list of priorities.

You really are better off with a dedicated upper though…
1:9, 1:8, and 1:7 twist rates are way too fast for .22lr, the proper twist rate for .22lr is around 1:12 which is what the dedicated barrels are cut at.
Plus the fact that shooting .22lr in your 5.56 upper gloms up your gas system with crap (lead, wax, dirty powder…ECT)



That's good to hear.

I am currently running a dedicated upper with a ciener, but it's an old 20" A1 with a 1:12 twist.  I blocked off the gas tube and it's worked great from day one.

The problem starts tomorrow when UPS delivers my much awaited KKF 16" barrel.   I have a second upper for it, but not a second kit, so the 20" will probably gather dust for awhile until a kit surfaces somewhere for it.

I figure the KKF will keep me occupied for a couple months anyway.   At least until the Walther barrels start becoming available and I have an excuse to pull the third stripped upper out of the safe.


Link Posted: 5/14/2008 4:49:46 AM EDT

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Can a request be made to not have any laser engraving at all?


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Link Posted: 5/14/2008 6:14:42 AM EDT

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That's good to hear.

I am currently running a dedicated upper with a ciener, but it's an old 20" A1 with a 1:12 twist.  I blocked off the gas tube and it's worked great from day one.

The problem starts tomorrow when UPS delivers my much awaited KKF 16" barrel.   I have a second upper for it, but not a second kit, so the 20" will probably gather dust for awhile until a kit surfaces somewhere for it.

I figure the KKF will keep me occupied for a couple months anyway.   At least until the Walther barrels start becoming available and I have an excuse to pull the third stripped upper out of the safe.




10-4…
Sounds like you’re squared away until the L-W barrels and the chamber adapter bolts are available.
Link Posted: 5/14/2008 8:31:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/14/2008 3:03:59 PM EDT
Tom, will you have a 16" mid length barrel available?
Link Posted: 5/14/2008 4:35:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/14/2008 7:47:55 PM EDT
I've been looking through the threads and still cannot find any direct reference to Spikes new kit and M16 (full-auto capability).  Does his new kit use the standard anti-bounce and sear trip?  Is there a milled or drilled hole for the "BB" modification?  Thanks for the help really need to get in line for a new .22 upper.
Link Posted: 5/14/2008 8:50:35 PM EDT

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Can a request be made to not have any laser engraving at all?


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No sorry.


That's weird... My Spike's upper has just the spider engraved (hides under the BUIS) and nothing on the upper receiver's sides. Must be an older upper (I got it just before Christmas).

Jeff
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 6:31:20 AM EDT

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Can a request be made to not have any laser engraving at all?


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No sorry.


That's weird... My Spike's upper has just the spider engraved (hides under the BUIS) and nothing on the upper receiver's sides. Must be an older upper (I got it just before Christmas).

Jeff


The top I dont mind, but the side is kinda large and obvious.  I wanted it to look like a clone to my M4.  Theres no hiding that ST-22 and the flag.  I just think the side should be an option.  Guess the only way is to un-barrel it and put on a new CMT flat-top upper.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 6:36:38 AM EDT
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I've been looking through the threads and still cannot find any direct reference to Spikes new kit and M16 (full-auto capability).  Does his new kit use the standard anti-bounce and sear trip?  Is there a milled or drilled hole for the "BB" modification?  Thanks for the help really need to get in line for a new .22 upper.


If you look at Spike's website you will see that you can order their upper with the auto trip option.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 3:03:04 PM EDT

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I've been looking through the threads and still cannot find any direct reference to Spikes new kit and M16 (full-auto capability).  Does his new kit use the standard anti-bounce and sear trip?  Is there a milled or drilled hole for the "BB" modification?  Thanks for the help really need to get in line for a new .22 upper.


If you look at Spike's website you will see that you can order their upper with the auto trip option.


what is the "bb" option?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 5:13:12 PM EDT
Ball detent.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 6:37:39 PM EDT
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The top I dont mind, but the side is kinda large and obvious.  I wanted it to look like a clone to my M4.  Theres no hiding that ST-22 and the flag.  I just think the side should be an option.  Guess the only way is to un-barrel it and put on a new CMT flat-top upper.


+1....I don't like being forced into having the etching on the side. I already have a Spike's upper and a lower (without the lettering but with the spider....I DO like the spider). Etched lettering really should be optional. Spike, are you listening?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 7:28:32 PM EDT
For me, I don't care cause I am getting it as a dedicated upper. If they had mags that looked like normal or PMAGs that would go in it maybe but... I don't care ether way, sorry not helping I am sure
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 7:35:11 PM EDT
Will the bolt lock back after the last round with BDM mags?
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 9:00:16 PM EDT
Only if you get the new follower kits that lock the bolt back. If not then no normal ones will not.
Link Posted: 5/15/2008 10:10:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/16/2008 7:27:33 AM EDT

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Only if you get the new follower kits that lock the bolt back. If not then no normal ones will not.


Where are these kits available at? I have very little knowledge of .22 ARs, so forgive my ignorance.
Link Posted: 5/16/2008 10:07:44 AM EDT
I retract my statement.
Link Posted: 5/16/2008 10:48:21 AM EDT
Wow my digital ears hurt after all that yelling So you do want it or you don't cause I can't tell from your wording If you ordered before April 25th then I will be happy to take your place in line



You can get the followers direct from BDM blackdogmachinellc.net There might be other places to get them but I don't know if there is. They are $5 each on the BDM site.
Link Posted: 5/16/2008 4:46:20 PM EDT
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