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Link Posted: 12/5/2020 10:03:21 PM EST
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seems legit
Link Posted: 12/5/2020 10:27:32 PM EST
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Yes please!
Link Posted: 12/5/2020 10:39:33 PM EST
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Nice find.  Great pic!  Needs to be on Page 1.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 7:45:24 AM EST
Shit they all have black charging handles.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 11:23:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SnowshoeBBQ:
Shit they all have black charging handles.
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I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 12:05:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mdavis:

I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?
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Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By SnowshoeBBQ:
Shit they all have black charging handles.

I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?

My suspicion is that they’re all black, Geissele just happens to offer them in green and DDC in case someone wants them.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 12:18:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

My suspicion is that they’re all black, Geissele just happens to offer them in green and DDC in case someone wants them.
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By SnowshoeBBQ:
Shit they all have black charging handles.

I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?

My suspicion is that they’re all black, Geissele just happens to offer them in green and DDC in case someone wants them.

Agreed. The only "clone" instance that I can think of where the charging handle matches the rail is the URG-I uppers that use a Geissele DDC rail and charging handle.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 1:51:55 PM EST
Glad I got black
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 1:56:09 PM EST
What lights are those in the pic?
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 1:56:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mdavis:

Agreed. The only "clone" instance that I can think of where the charging handle matches the rail is the URG-I uppers that use a Geissele DDC rail and charging handle.
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Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By SnowshoeBBQ:
Shit they all have black charging handles.

I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?

My suspicion is that they’re all black, Geissele just happens to offer them in green and DDC in case someone wants them.

Agreed. The only "clone" instance that I can think of where the charging handle matches the rail is the URG-I uppers that use a Geissele DDC rail and charging handle.

Same.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 1:59:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
What lights are those in the pic?
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Looks like SF Scout lights.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 2:18:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mdavis:

Agreed. The only "clone" instance that I can think of where the charging handle matches the rail is the URG-I uppers that use a Geissele DDC rail and charging handle.
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Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By SnowshoeBBQ:
Shit they all have black charging handles.

I'm not aware of a picture with them with anything other than a black charging handle?

My suspicion is that they’re all black, Geissele just happens to offer them in green and DDC in case someone wants them.

Agreed. The only "clone" instance that I can think of where the charging handle matches the rail is the URG-I uppers that use a Geissele DDC rail and charging handle.

That’s my take on it too. If you look at Geissele’s Government Charging Handle product listing, it says "This is the same charging handle used to fulfill contracts for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)."

The OD Green Government Charging Handle product page says “The Government Charging Handle was developed to meet the requirements of Special Agents from the Federal Bureau of Invesigations (the FBI). Currently in use on the field, it features handles that are slightly smaller and more rounded than our Airborne Charging Handle, further reducing the chances of snagging on gear during high-energy and high-tension operations.” I think they were being a little less specific in that description because the Government CH design was produced for the FBI contract, but not the green version specifically.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 3:49:15 PM EST
Mine's just fed inspired. Not going for 100% accuracy.




Link Posted: 12/6/2020 5:41:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:

There’s a small YT symbol between the picture icon and the Twitter bird at the top of the edit window. Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VyTpU378R0
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Not on topic here, but having just watched this video, I feel compelled to comment.  I'm an old guy now, but years ago, my first job out of law school was to have the privilege of serving as an FBI Special Agent.  This was in the middle 70's, before HRT ever existed, and indeed, before many FBI offices even had official SWAT teams.  I am proud of my service to my country, and will always feel good about the FBI that I was a part of.  But watching this video, I was stunned to see that it included scenes from Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the murder of Lavoy Finicum.  I cannot believe that these were moments FBI HRT was proud of.  Although I hope the original motives for FBI HRT involvement were legitimate, the outcomes of these events, IMHO, were evidence of a subset of FBI Special Agents out of control.  I only hope they have finally learned from these mistakes.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 6:09:40 PM EST
i need one of these builds so badly

but the mk4 federal odg rail is like unobtainium right now
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 6:36:05 PM EST
Mine (like a lot of those here) is definitely fed-inspired. Rail & optic might be the only things really correct...

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Link Posted: 12/6/2020 6:51:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kyjd75:

Not on topic here, but having just watched this video, I feel compelled to comment.  I'm an old guy now, but years ago, my first job out of law school was to have the privilege of serving as an FBI Special Agent.  This was in the middle 70's, before HRT ever existed, and indeed, before many FBI offices even had official SWAT teams.  I am proud of my service to my country, and will always feel good about the FBI that I was a part of.  But watching this video, I was stunned to see that it included scenes from Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the murder of Lavoy Finicum.  I cannot believe that these were moments FBI HRT was proud of.  Although I hope the original motives for FBI HRT involvement were legitimate, the outcomes of these events, IMHO, were evidence of a subset of FBI Special Agents out of control.  I only hope they have finally learned from these mistakes.
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That video wasn’t put out by the FBI, just pieced together by some guy on the internet.
Link Posted: 12/6/2020 7:36:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HKocher:


That video wasn’t put out by the FBI, just pieced together by some guy on the internet.
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Watching it through the post on this forum, I could not tell that.  I feel somewhat better if that is the case.  I love my country and I love the FBI, but I cringe everytime I hear the words Ruby Ridge and Waco, and even Lavoy Finicum.  Glad to hear this is not an "official" video, although I do wonder just where some of that footage came from.
Link Posted: 12/8/2020 11:23:08 AM EST
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I know, not an actual clone, but I was an the original buyer in the first round of OD Fed rails and finally finished this up last night. Can't wait to shoot it! As long as everything goes well on its first range trip I plan on submitting a Form 1 to SBR this pistol.

It's an 11.5" Sionics barrel /Forward Conrols Desgin 6315KM and Bootleg Adjustable BCG.

Link Posted: 12/8/2020 11:39:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Plumber576:
I know, not an actual clone, but I was an the original buyer in the first round of OD Fed rails and finally finished this up last night. Can't wait to shoot it! As long as everything goes well on its first range trip I plan on submitting a Form 1 to SBR this pistol.

It's an 11.5" Sionics barrel /Forward Conrols Desgin 6315KM and Bootleg Adjustable BCG.

https://i.imgur.com/qQGuIO2l.jpg?1
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Excellent choice of barrel. I’m running the 11.5” RGP in mine.
Link Posted: 12/8/2020 12:36:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By YeOldeCircles:


Excellent choice of barrel. I’m running the 11.5” RGP in mine.
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Thanks. In the last month I honestly considered selling the Sionics barrel for a 12.5" hammer-forged BRT but I thought I'd use the Sionics for this build and get the BRT for a new build with a handguard that would fit better.
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 1:21:57 PM EST
What's the going rate on the non-ODG Gen 1 rails? I can find plenty of completed sales on the ODGs but few to no recent sales of the black, grey, or DDC rails.
Link Posted: 12/11/2020 1:48:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DiscipulusArmorum:
What's the going rate on the non-ODG Gen 1 rails? I can find plenty of completed sales on the ODGs but few to no recent sales of the black, grey, or DDC rails.
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I've seen them on Gunbroker going for $500 + lately regardless of color.  I paid $385 for a new grey Gen 1 here in the EE about a month ago.  Bought a used OD Gen 2 locally for $300.
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 4:35:10 PM EST
im new to FBI HRT cloning or near cloning, so please be gentle

still waiting on a dbal-a3 and geissele ach to come in the mail

Link Posted: 12/18/2020 7:03:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kevblah:
im new to FBI HRT cloning or near cloning, so please be gentle

still waiting on a dbal-a3 and geissele ach to come in the mail

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that looks spot on good work
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 7:12:15 PM EST
Mk4 green build with lancer translucent OD Green Magazine

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Link Posted: 12/18/2020 7:21:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kevblah:
im new to FBI HRT cloning or near cloning, so please be gentle

still waiting on a dbal-a3 and geissele ach to come in the mail

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What’s not to like good looking setup
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 8:46:27 PM EST
Anyone else hate the AFG2? Just doesn't feel right in my hand, especially when trying to manipulate the WML.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 9:13:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/20/2020 9:53:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kevblah:
Anyone else hate the AFG2? Just doesn't feel right in my hand, especially when trying to manipulate the WML.
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I’m not a fan of the AFG either.  I’m using a Magpul MLOK VFG instead.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 11:16:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kevblah:
Anyone else hate the AFG2? Just doesn't feel right in my hand, especially when trying to manipulate the WML.
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I’ve tried to like them twice, on both occasions they ended up in the EE. I hate the things, they’re only slightly more tolerable if you mount them backwards.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 11:26:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HD2006:


I’m not a fan of the AFG either.  I’m using a Magpul MLOK VFG instead.
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Originally Posted By HD2006:


I’m not a fan of the AFG either.  I’m using a Magpul MLOK VFG instead.


im waiting for my DBAL to show up before I decide if i want to run slick underside or with a VFG

Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

I’ve tried to like them twice, on both occasions they ended up in the EE. I hate the things, they’re only slightly more tolerable if you mount them backwards.


me too, actually. exactly twice ive bought an AFG and twice now i've sold it. i really tried this time too lol
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 11:35:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:

Looks like a lot of the older footage in that video compilation came from Joan Lunden's old show, Behind Closed Doors: FBI HRT, which originally aired April 13, 2001. An interesting overview of the team, even if dated and a little dramatized. It shows MP5s as their primary weapons, which I'm guessing were 10mm based on the straight stick magazines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e17PyNToqE
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
There’s a small YT symbol between the picture icon and the Twitter bird at the top of the edit window. Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VyTpU378R0

Thanks

Looks like a lot of the older footage in that video compilation came from Joan Lunden's old show, Behind Closed Doors: FBI HRT, which originally aired April 13, 2001. An interesting overview of the team, even if dated and a little dramatized. It shows MP5s as their primary weapons, which I'm guessing were 10mm based on the straight stick magazines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e17PyNToqE


40 cal.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 11:37:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kevblah:
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I don't hate it but, I was issued one and gave it to another troop.  I bought one later and used it on 1 range trip.  Not my thing either.  I use shorty BCM VFG or small hand stops.
Link Posted: 12/20/2020 11:38:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By karmapolice:
So clone-ish build, I have two this is the same one. This is my work rifle

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50671033341_297817fac8_b.jpg

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Your Agency doesnt require buis on duty rifles?
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 10:45:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MALICIOUS2551:


40 cal.
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They were 10mm MP5s.
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 2:55:11 AM EST
Just ordered a stripped Colt 6933 barrel for $252.00 shipped and got a Geissele Super Gas Block off the EE here. Already have my Colt 6920 lower (Form 1 incoming). Very excited for this build, just have to keep my eyes peeled for the MK4 Federal Rail.
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 1:10:07 AM EST
I hate to keep posting in this thread without having a complete build to show off, but this is my all time favorite clone build and something I'm piecing together. So...question:

It appears the only "in the wild" clone correct grips are A2 or Hogue. Not bad options but, without combing through 60+ pages, have we seen individual used Magpul or other variants?

Also: Magpul AFG2 seems to be pretty standard. Have we actually seen any other AFG or VFG on issued rifles? Either HRT, Regional, or Individual Officer? Magpul VFG, BCM stubby, KAC broomstick? Just curious.

And, while I'm crapping on this thread without pics: what buffer is everyone running unsuppressed? My agency doesn't currently allow suppressors, so I'll be running a Colt 6933 11.5 barrel, Geissele Super Gas Block, and was thinking of starting with an H2 buffer and Sprinco Blue Spring.
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 1:13:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AZgunner:
I hate to keep posting in this thread without having a complete build to show off, but this is my all time favorite clone build and something I'm piecing together. So...question:

It appears the only "in the wild" clone correct grips are A2 or Hogue. Not bad options but, without combing through 60+ pages, have we seen individual used Magpul or other variants?

Also: Magpul AFG2 seems to be pretty standard. Have we actually seen any other AFG or VFG on issued rifles? Either HRT, Regional, or Individual Officer? Magpul VFG, BCM stubby, KAC broomstick? Just curious.

And, while I'm crapping on this thread without pics: what buffer is everyone running unsuppressed? My agency doesn't currently allow suppressors, so I'll be running a Colt 6933 11.5 barrel, Geissele Super Gas Block, and was thinking of starting with an H2 buffer and Sprinco Blue Spring.
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H2 my brudda.
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 3:41:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AZgunner:
I hate to keep posting in this thread without having a complete build to show off, but this is my all time favorite clone build and something I'm piecing together. So...question:

It appears the only "in the wild" clone correct grips are A2 or Hogue. Not bad options but, without combing through 60+ pages, have we seen individual used Magpul or other variants?

Also: Magpul AFG2 seems to be pretty standard. Have we actually seen any other AFG or VFG on issued rifles? Either HRT, Regional, or Individual Officer? Magpul VFG, BCM stubby, KAC broomstick? Just curious.

And, while I'm crapping on this thread without pics: what buffer is everyone running unsuppressed? My agency doesn't currently allow suppressors, so I'll be running a Colt 6933 11.5 barrel, Geissele Super Gas Block, and was thinking of starting with an H2 buffer and Sprinco Blue Spring.
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I was running Spikes T2 and Sprinco Blue with the .070" gas port Colt heavy barrel 11.5. It ran pretty smooth but I always thought I could've ran slightly heavier buffer/spring, even more so if you have a larger GP 6933 barrel. I think those are .076"?
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 3:48:31 PM EST
im running an h2 with milspec spring, fine so far
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 6:34:48 PM EST
Anyone here running the colt 6933 barrel with a can? Did you have to mess with the gas port any?
Thanks
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 9:04:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bhavin22:
Anyone here running the colt 6933 barrel with a can? Did you have to mess with the gas port any?
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I ran a true 6933 thin profile .625" gas block journal with .070 gas port with a can.   No issues...a bit gassy.  Comparable to a MK18.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 9:25:18 AM EST
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I ran a true 6933 thin profile .625" gas block journal with .070 gas port with a can.   No issues...a bit gassy.  Comparable to a MK18.
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@JonnyUtah427 was that an older factory Colt 6933 barrel .625 with a .070 gas port?
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 9:31:24 AM EST
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@JonnyUtah427 was that an older factory Colt 6933 barrel .625 with a .070 gas port?
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I should have been more clear in my post.  Let me rephrase.  It was a true thin profile Colt that started out as a 16" barrel, and was cut to 11.5 and gas port drilled out all by JT.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 12:33:49 PM EST
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Mine is a current product 6933. Any idea what the gas port size is on current ones?
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Mine is a current product 6933. Any idea what the gas port size is supposed to be?
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Current 6933 barrels are .074
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Link Posted: 12/24/2020 12:53:28 PM EST
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Thanks.
I guess I will get a brt gas tube and see how that goes.
What size should I get? I will mostly be shot with a surefire RC.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 1:55:19 PM EST
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Thanks.
I guess I will get a brt gas tube and see how that goes.
What size should I get? I will mostly be shot with a surefire RC.
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I use a BRT#7(.069) gas tube which is equivalent to a .067 gas port with no suppressor. I wouldn’t go smaller if your gonna run it un-suppressed at all.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 2:04:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FONTY:

I use a BRT#7(.069) gas tube which is equivalent to a .067 gas port with no suppressor. I wouldn’t go smaller if your gonna run it un-suppressed at all.
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I ended up just ordering the EZTUNE mix car.
That’s what they recommend for 50/50 use.
Thanks
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