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Posted: 4/24/2004 6:15:02 AM EDT
We are looking at starting up a facility in Nevada to sell our product to the civilian market. We would like to see if there is enough interest in our silencers and SPR muzzle brakes to make this happen. If you are interested please e-mail me at [email protected]
Thank you.
Ron Allen
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 6:24:45 AM EDT
I'd say yes, but living in NJ rules me out as a customer for the silencer at least.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 6:56:21 AM EDT
Definitely interested.   I'm about to drop $2k on Gemtech cans because yours aren't available (and some issues on interoperable mounting).

-z
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 7:42:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 7:45:28 AM EDT
Uhm-
Being a "#$%@&* New yawka" I'm out of the loop, but, Make a can in 6.8MM for your 2 ports, like the 1's Wes at MSTN's selling, and those on the PRI guns and watch them fly off the shelf.

My .02c  /S2
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 8:34:44 AM EDT
I would certainly be interested in seeing some independent reviews of your products and performance comparisons to products already available to the civilian market. If your product compares favorably, I would definately consider purchasing.

Thanks for soliciting our input!
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 8:53:31 AM EDT
Do you have any idea what price ballpark the can would be?  I second that a 6.8mm can would be veeeery interesting.  Thanks for showing interest in the civilian market.  Lots of companies with mil contracts don't, and I think it's great when one does!
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 9:24:13 AM EDT
Email sent Ron. Thanx.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 9:58:49 AM EDT
I would be very interested, but the price would be a deciding factor.  
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 10:00:00 AM EDT
Do you have a link to your website?
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 10:14:02 AM EDT
I'm shooting for a mid July 2004 ready date on silencers.Would love to do comparison test with other brands.Will also be making for ruger mk 2, bolt guns to .50 cal. might try Hk. Have a special 15th model that we would like to see on the ar's. Short, quiet, and extremely durable. Don't know how long they last. Haven't seen one worn out. Longest I've heard of is 90k and still going on m16. 12k on 308. Will do custom fitting when possible.Price? I'm not sure. Depends on if we do direct or go through dealers.Iwould like to find out what sure-fire kac and the others are charging. Any body know?
Sorry that all ran together. I was trying to answer the questions I've received so far.
Ron
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 10:31:14 AM EDT
It will totally depend upon the design/features/price/and customer service.  There are already companies that do well in all the above catagories.

What's going to be your claim to fame.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 11:40:40 AM EDT

Quoted:
I would be very interested, but the price would be a deciding factor.  



Ditto.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 12:37:05 PM EDT
Here's what I want:

1. 6.8 supp,
2. 5.56 supp,
3. quick-detach mounts for common barrel profiles.. e.g. 6.8 "SPR" profile, LMT MRP profile, standard Hbar, A2, etc.
4. the ability to mount the 6.8 can on 5.56 barrels via existing quick-detach mounts.

Gem-tech can do this, and can take orders for it today.   Their cost is $725 per can including one quick-detach, and $85 extra per quick detach.  

So to outfit two barrels on my LMT MRP in 5.56, and my MSTN-built SPR-profile 6.8SPC upper would be about $1535 (plus tax).



-z
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 12:57:32 PM EDT
I'm interested in one for 6.8R SPC
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 1:13:53 PM EDT
YES!
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 1:14:42 PM EDT
If only I was 21......  
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 2:00:28 PM EDT
Interested! I already have a barrel I want to attach your two port brake/collar to. If Nevada doesn't work, there is always Arizona!
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 2:35:10 PM EDT
This is a product I too would buy.  The unit I have need for making oal. a minimum . Less added length than say my Ranger? Doesnt your product index the same each time installed? I have not seen one in the flesh.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 11:16:19 PM EDT
My main question:

Will the Brake and QD suppressor for the M14 rifle (M1A) be available? That is what I am truly, truly wanting above all else.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 1:01:43 AM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
I would be very interested, but the price would be a deciding factor.  



Ditto.


Ditto, Ditto
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 5:48:39 AM EDT
What Lumpy said.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 7:02:27 AM EDT
A couple of people have asked about quick detachable mounts. I am sorry to say we do not at this time offer a "QD" system. Our silencers either screw on to the barrel or the muzzle brake. If the quick detach system is what the civilian market wants. I will try to come up with a system that works for you. My main concern would be accuracy. I know that for some of these weapons accuracy is not as important. But I have a minimum accuracy standard when I test fire. And some of the QD systems I am told will not meet that. I would very much like to do some comparison testing. Perhaps I could get together with some people in AZ or NV and we could test the different systems on the same rifle. Then they could pass the results on to the AR15 community. This stuff is expensive and you the consumer have a right to know how these products compare to each other.
Ron Allen
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 7:16:42 AM EDT
I was one who said I wanted a quick-detach.    Quick-detach is perhaps the wrong choice of words.  

Really, all I want is the ability to remove and replace the suppressor without having to break & reapply a thread-locking compound.  "Quick" detach is not really necessary because the sights would likely have to be re-zeroed after mounting the 'can, anyway.  The ability to remove the can for cleaning or barrel cleaning, or to switch to a different upper, is desireable.   Civilian users are more likely to want to share one suppressor between multiple rifles/uppers, because of the paperwork and tax involved.

-z
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 10:34:31 AM EDT
I'm also in the market for a suppressor. The main things I am looking for are:

1) Either easy removal of the suppressor or a suppressor that can be left on the gun permanently due to ease of maintenance and durability as well as small size (Reflexed design?)

2) Predictable change of zero with suppressor attached.

3) Quiet is nice; but takes a seat behind durability and ease of maintenance for me.

4) Manufacturer willing to stand behind their product and educate me in its limitations and use.

Link Posted: 4/25/2004 10:14:22 PM EDT
My SPR already has your Ops. Inc. 2 port muzzle break and suppressor mounting collar - just waiting on the can so I can add it...
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 11:58:07 PM EDT
As long as the base DMR brake and suppressor are available I'm in as a future customer.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:10:01 AM EDT
As a long time NFA shooter...If you build those suppressors in NV, I'd buy.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:48:58 AM EDT
I have two SPRs with OPS Inc. 2 port muzzle breaks that will be wanting for silencers when we move to AZ.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:19:49 AM EDT
Any chance for making more Ops. Inc. 2 port muzzle breaks available for the public? I love the looks, but at the moment the price is quite high.

Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:48:42 AM EDT
I've got an SPR just waiting for an OPS can.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:50:55 AM EDT
How will you differentiate your product over everyone else's?
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 6:02:43 AM EDT
I need one for a .308 and another for a .223.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 6:27:45 AM EDT
I'm in on the 2-port...
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 7:58:41 AM EDT

Quoted:
I would certainly be interested in seeing some independent reviews of your products and performance comparisons to products already available to the civilian market. If your product compares favorably, I would definately consider purchasing.

Thanks for soliciting our input!



what he said.   email sent also.   for reference sake, i own 4 cans and 2 full auto guns.

danny



Link Posted: 4/26/2004 8:04:03 AM EDT

Quoted:
Price? I'm not sure. Depends on if we do direct or go through dealers.Iwould like to find out what sure-fire kac and the others are charging. Any body know?
Ron



I can tell you that it doesn't matter what sure fire charges- they can't market to us "civilians".   KAC is known as being the most spendy and/ or unobtainable due to military contracts.   from my personal experience most consumers have gem-tech, AAC, SWR, AWC for big name companies (in no specific order) in 223 and 308 suppressors.  Lots of little local guys/ one man shops that i don't think you will worry about competing with.

oh- i would really like to see you guys come out from under the legislative burden in CA, and i would like the oppourtunity to buy your cans.   Good Luck in your move.



Link Posted: 4/26/2004 10:42:20 AM EDT
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm confused. I thought that supressors made after 1986 were banned from the Civilian market.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:07:36 PM EDT

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I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm confused. I thought that supressors made after 1986 were banned from the Civilian market.




bzzzzt

wrong.

suppressors can be made all the day long.   California regulations somehow control a company that makes a suppressor in CA from selling to civilians or to out of state (almost the same thing (same effect anyway))

ops and surefire make suppressors in California.   and another company that i can't remember off the top of my head

Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:46:58 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm confused. I thought that supressors made after 1986 were banned from the Civilian market.




bzzzzt

wrong.

suppressors can be made all the day long.   California regulations somehow control a company that makes a suppressor in CA from selling to civilians or to out of state (almost the same thing (same effect anyway))

ops and surefire make suppressors in California.   and another company that i can't remember off the top of my head




Well, banned or not banned it doesn't make any difference to me. The State of Michigan doesn't think we need 'em.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:53:01 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm confused. I thought that supressors made after 1986 were banned from the Civilian market.




bzzzzt

wrong.

suppressors can be made all the day long.   California regulations somehow control a company that makes a suppressor in CA from selling to civilians or to out of state (almost the same thing (same effect anyway))

ops and surefire make suppressors in California.   and another company that i can't remember off the top of my head




Well, banned or not banned it doesn't make any difference to me. The State of Michigan doesn't think we need 'em.



Well, add Michigan to the list of places "NOT" to live  I don't have any NFA items but if OPS Inc. market to the public I'll def. be up for a 2 port break and can.  KALIFORNIA sucks
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 12:54:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:26:06 PM EDT
I would be interested as well, price would be  a factor.....
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 6:24:20 PM EDT
Well, there's a lot that differentiates the OPS suppressors from their competition. Not only are they quiet, but they're arguably the most rugged suppressor out there. Also, they're mostly reflex type suppressors, which don't drastically increase the OAL of your rifle when installed. Add on to that the fact that they're pretty cheap when compared with the KAC and Arms Tech suppressors, and about the same price as a Troy Industries suppressor .

Having said that, I'd definately buy one or two.

-Cap'n
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 8:37:53 PM EDT
 Gentlemen,
 I had a lengthly talk with a Dealer in Co. this morning about pricing and Dealer markup. I felt he was realistic. I have had quite a few emails regarding the high price and poor availability of the brakes.I promise both of these issues will improve within the next 60 days. If they do not, give me hell because it will be my fault. I may be able to give you some prices at the end of the week.
  I am also trying to resolve the discrepencies between the military barrel dimensions and the civilian versions. I don't want to have to make a bunch of different size parts to send with each brake or silencer setup and have you guys sort it out. You guys who already have  odd size barrels will be ok. I will make special sizes for your barrels at no extra charge.
 Ron Allen
Link Posted: 4/27/2004 12:02:00 AM EDT
i would strongly consider an OPS Inc can for my M4 and will definitely want a brake/can set for my (in the assembly stages) SPR.
Link Posted: 4/27/2004 7:34:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2004 8:01:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2004 8:25:59 AM EDT
I live in IL right now.

I do have a question for ya.  I have a 14.5in barrel with a vortex permanently attached because my state will not allow SBR'ing, and I never really planning on removing it anyways.

Would there be any hope for me being able to use a suppressor of yours on a barrel setup like that?  I know some can's have the ability to slip over specific flashhiders and lock in place...and I was wondering if that is even possible with a FS like the vortex.

I am asking because very shortly I may be a resident of indiana.

Thanks,
Scott
Link Posted: 4/28/2004 11:41:37 AM EDT
yes
Link Posted: 4/28/2004 12:43:09 PM EDT
Hi. Saw your post and thought you might be interested in how things have turned out in this part of the world with regard to silencers. I live in the land of "no you can't have that" (UK)

For years you have not been able to get permission from the police to have a silencer/moderator on a centre fire rifle, (well certainly not in North wales) and there are people at my club that have asked and asked repeatedly for the said item, but have been turned down on every occasion.

Then (according to legend) a Scandanavian delegation was having some kind of meeting with the police of this country, and the topic of silencers came up.  Apparently the visiting teams country had paid out a small fortune in compensation  to shooters that had successfully made claims against them for hearing loss after being refused permission for a sound moderator !

Guess what ?  People are now asking for silencers for centrefire to protect against hearing damage and they are being granted.

See there is a god, and he's a shooter  
Link Posted: 4/28/2004 1:26:46 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I would be very interested, but the price would be a deciding factor.  



Ditto.


Ditto, Ditto



Ditto Ditto Ditto, sorry had to do it.......
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