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Posted: 3/26/2006 6:45:06 PM EDT
does anyone know what velocities this barrel is producing using M193? also what are the dimensions of this in light contour?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:33:55 PM EDT
Check jnrifleworks.com

If you're shooting m193, you might be missing the advantage of the noveske, which is startlingly good long range accuracy for a short barrel.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:40:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:41:48 PM EDT by voilsb]
From (ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=189353) I'd guess you should get around 2875 fps for M193 out of a 12.5" barrel. Of course, gas tube and actual rounds and 800 other factors will effect this, but it's an educated guess.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:49:36 PM EDT
Wes Grant says they run about equal to a .mil 14.5 barrel.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:33:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:50:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Wes Grant says they run about equal to a .mil 14.5 barrel.



How?



tag
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:35:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 4:37:46 AM EDT by MSTN]
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:54:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 4:55:39 AM EDT by bigbore]
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:09:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 5:09:49 AM EDT by DevL]
The tighter chamber and the poly rifling should aid velocity but Id be willing to bet a broken in M4 barrel was compared to a brand new Crusader barrel. Id be interested in bigbore's test results.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:36:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:14:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:52:28 AM EDT
pfffft.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:27:26 AM EDT
Out of curiosity, how much would their flash suppressor effect muzzle velocity?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:32:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By voilsb:
Out of curiosity, how much would their flash suppressor effect muzzle velocity?



The KFH/KX3? I have seen reports of a slight drop (POF chrony results for their 9.25), although some people reported a gain.
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 3:17:03 AM EDT
anyone with velcoity data yet?
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 4:23:35 AM EDT
I'm not too suprised at the 12.5 chronoing in like a regular 14.5, aren't noveske's midlenght 14.5 (afghan?) barrels supposed to clock in like a regular 16"?
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 7:15:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/5/2006 7:29:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigbore:
How?



Increased pressure but of course! For those that are going to say reduced friction equals more velocity, that's imposable with smokeless powder. It has something with the fact that smokeless powder has a variable burn rate based on pressure and friction is what causes that pressure to rise.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:55:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By stiles:

Originally Posted By bigbore:
How?



Increased pressure but of course! For those that are going to say reduced friction equals more velocity, that's imposable with smokeless powder. It has something with the fact that smokeless powder has a variable burn rate based on pressure and friction is what causes that pressure to rise.




I was going to say magic.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 12:23:10 PM EDT
Wes,
What is the length of that upper, did it make the "magic" 16 inch mark?? Just curious?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:27:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By havoc1969:
Wes,
What is the length of that upper, did it make the "magic" 16 inch mark?? Just curious?



It's a tad short, you need at least 13.7" of barrel I think.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 1:36:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Vinesr6:

Originally Posted By havoc1969:
Wes,
What is the length of that upper, did it make the "magic" 16 inch mark?? Just curious?



It's a tad short, you need at least 13.7" of barrel I think.



13.65 per Mr. Noveske. Yeah, I am a nerd
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 5:44:56 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 6:18:16 PM EDT
Wes,
Got that 12.5 Noveske chrono'd yet?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 6:20:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 6:40:39 PM EDT
I'm a non-believer. I have heard way too many unfounded voodoo witch craft stories about poly-Noveski barrels to believe they are some how magically different from all other barrels in existence.

Without chrono results it is just more BS.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 10:22:53 PM EDT
My 18 spr shoots 1 inch at 200 yds all day long. and I think it's Novesky.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 6:57:11 PM EDT
Hey Ian 187, everytiime a product by John Noveske is mentioned/praised/ asked about you have something negative to say. What is the reason for this?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 1:17:10 AM EDT
WES-What is the total weight of the weapon in the last picture.

Sweet looking build.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 8:25:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ScooterP:
Hey Ian 187, everytiime a product by John Noveske is mentioned/praised/ asked about you have something negative to say. What is the reason for this?



I didn't say anything negative about the product, I said I don't believe the barrel magically produces greater velocity than any other high end barrel or chrome lined for that natter. If you have proof it does then post it otherwise I'll consider it just to be more bullshit.

Just so we're clear, I don't believe the Noveske barrels produce equal or greater velocity than longer barrels, chrome lined or otherwise. I have no doubt Noveske barrels shoot very well and are accurate but I don't believe the velocity hubbub. Even BigBore hinted at it when he asked to test a barrel, to which he was promptly told no <cough cough> Ummm, not enough to, ummm, to go around.

Link Posted: 4/8/2006 9:16:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/8/2006 10:42:24 AM EDT
It will be interesting to see the velocity results. Many months ago there was a thread going over this very subject with respect to Armstech's polygonal, gain twist barrels. Armstech also makes claims of increased velocities, but the data posted here didn't back those claims up. If PacNor's polygonal rifling achieves higher velocities, I'd love to know how they do so but Armstech's barrel suppliers can't.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 11:41:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MSTN:

Originally Posted By Gimme_A_Carbine:
WES-What is the total weight of the weapon in the last picture.

Sweet looking build.



8 LB 11 OZ UNLOADED.

THAT'S WITH THE MEDIUM CONTOUR BARREL. THE STANDARD CONTOUR INCREASES THE WEIGHT BY 3 - 4 OUNCES.

WES GRANT
M.S.T.N.



Awesome, thanks.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 6:35:36 PM EDT
With all the claims and speculations, could somebody please chrono the 12.5" Noveske barrel. If anyone out there has one, do us all a favor and fire a couple of rounds through a chrono and post the velocities. It will put us all to rest.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 5:20:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 5:29:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 5:29:32 PM EDT by Victor]
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 6:11:02 PM EDT
Good job Wes. Thanks for the effort in getting this out to all of us.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 6:44:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 3:08:15 AM EDT
Wes, as always your the MAN!
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