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Posted: 3/26/2006 7:33:55 PM EDT
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Check jnrifleworks.com
If you're shooting m193, you might be missing the advantage of the noveske, which is startlingly good long range accuracy for a short barrel. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 8:40:57 PM EDT
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From (ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=189353) I'd guess you should get around 2875 fps for M193 out of a 12.5" barrel. Of course, gas tube and actual rounds and 800 other factors will effect this, but it's an educated guess.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 8:49:36 PM EDT
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Wes Grant says they run about equal to a .mil 14.5 barrel.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 11:33:09 PM EDT
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How? |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 11:50:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2006 4:35:24 AM EDT
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FROM RELIABLE FOLKS REPORTING DIRECTLY TO ME ON CHRONO COMPARISONS DONE BETWEEN A 14.5" M4 BARREL AND A 12.5" NOVESKE BARREL, THEY'RE MUCH THE SAME IN TERMS OF VELOCITY.
THIS WAS ONE TEST BETWEEN TWO BARRELS WITH TWO KINDS OF AMMO. THIS MAY NOT BE TRUE SCIENCE, BUT IT'S A START. I PLAN TO DO MY OWN CHRONO WORK VERY SOON. I EXPECT TO SEE MUCH THE SAME. BTW, THESE 12.5" BARRELS ARE PRETTY AMAZING IN THE ACCURACY DEPARTMENT. THE BIG SCOPE IS FOR ACCURACY TESTING:  IN FIGHTING TRIM, THE WAY IT WENT TO THE SANDBOX:  WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 4:54:39 AM EDT
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How about you send me one of those barrels and I'll put some rounds through my Ohler 35P? I'll use a new LMT 14.5" barrel for comparison. If what you're saying is true, I'll send you a check for the barrel. If you are wrong, I'll send the barrel back. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 5:09:26 AM EDT
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The tighter chamber and the poly rifling should aid velocity but Id be willing to bet a broken in M4 barrel was compared to a brand new Crusader barrel. Id be interested in bigbore's test results.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 5:36:16 AM EDT
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GOOD POINT. THAT'S WHY THE BARREL USED IN THE TEST I MENTIONED WAS A BRAND NEW, UNFIRED 14.5" M4.
FOR COMPARISON, I PLAN TO USE A NEW 14.5" MRP BARREL. BIGBORE: SORRY, BUT I AM DOWN TO ONLY ONE 12.5" NOVESKE BARREL IN STOCK. AS YOU MAY WELL BE AWARE, IT TAKES SOME CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THESE BARRELS FROM JOHN. JOHN'S DISCOUNT TO DEALERS IS WHAT WE SHALL CALL MINIMAL. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NO FUTURE IN SELLING BARRELS I HAD TO PUT 50% DOWN ON AND WAIT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, JUST TO REAP A SMALL GAIN. I NEED THIS ONE REMAINING FOR A CUSTOM BUILD BEING PROPOSED. I'M SURE JOHN WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SELL YOU A BARREL FOR YOUR TESTING. IF YOU AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS, I'LL BUY IT FROM YOU. REGARDLESS OF THE VELOCITY NUMBERS WE SEE, I AM PLEASED TO HAVE THESE 12.5" BARRELS SIMPLY FOR THEIR INHERENT ACCURACY. THE ONE PICTURED WENT 0.38 MOA AT 100 YARDS AFTER ONLY 25 ROUNDS AND TWO CLEANINGS. I BUILT A REPLACEMENT ONE FOR MYSELF THIS PAST WEEK. IT SHOT 0.70 MOA ON THE SECOND 5-SHOT GROUP. AS I HAD FOUR MORE UPPERS THAT BELONGED TO CUSTOMERS TO SHOOT IN, I JUST TOSSED MY OWN BACK IN THE TRUCK. I DON'T NEED TO BURN ANY MORE MK 262 TO PROVE TO MYSELF WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:14:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:52:28 AM EDT
[#11]
pfffft.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 11:27:26 AM EDT
[#12]
Out of curiosity, how much would their flash suppressor effect muzzle velocity?
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Posted: 3/27/2006 11:32:24 AM EDT
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The KFH/KX3? I have seen reports of a slight drop (POF chrony results for their 9.25), although some people reported a gain. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:17:03 AM EDT
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anyone with velcoity data yet?
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Posted: 4/5/2006 4:23:35 AM EDT
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I'm not too suprised at the 12.5 chronoing in like a regular 14.5, aren't noveske's midlenght 14.5 (afghan?) barrels supposed to clock in like a regular 16"?
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Posted: 4/5/2006 7:15:11 PM EDT
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I HAD TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE:
 WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 7:29:46 PM EDT
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Increased pressure but of course! For those that are going to say reduced friction equals more velocity, that's imposable with smokeless powder. It has something with the fact that smokeless powder has a variable burn rate based on pressure and friction is what causes that pressure to rise. 
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Posted: 4/6/2006 8:55:29 AM EDT
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I was going to say magic. |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 12:23:10 PM EDT
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Wes,
What is the length of that upper, did it make the "magic" 16 inch mark?? Just curious? |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 1:27:17 PM EDT
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It's a tad short, you need at least 13.7" of barrel I think. |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 1:36:34 PM EDT
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13.65 per Mr. Noveske. Yeah, I am a nerd 
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Posted: 4/6/2006 5:44:56 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 4/6/2006 6:18:16 PM EDT
[#23]
Wes,
Got that 12.5 Noveske chrono'd yet? |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 6:20:33 PM EDT
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NOT YET.
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Posted: 4/6/2006 6:40:39 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm a non-believer. I have heard way too many unfounded voodoo witch craft stories about poly-Noveski barrels to believe they are some how magically different from all other barrels in existence.
Without chrono results it is just more BS. |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 10:22:53 PM EDT
[#26]
My 18 spr shoots 1 inch at 200 yds all day long. and I think it's Novesky.
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Posted: 4/7/2006 6:57:11 PM EDT
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Hey Ian 187, everytiime a product by John Noveske is mentioned/praised/ asked about you have something negative to say. What is the reason for this?
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Posted: 4/8/2006 1:17:10 AM EDT
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WES-What is the total weight of the weapon in the last picture.
Sweet looking build. |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 8:25:18 AM EDT
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I didn't say anything negative about the product, I said I don't believe the barrel magically produces greater velocity than any other high end barrel or chrome lined for that natter. If you have proof it does then post it otherwise I'll consider it just to be more bullshit. Just so we're clear, I don't believe the Noveske barrels produce equal or greater velocity than longer barrels, chrome lined or otherwise. I have no doubt Noveske barrels shoot very well and are accurate but I don't believe the velocity hubbub. Even BigBore hinted at it when he asked to test a barrel, to which he was promptly told |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 9:16:52 AM EDT
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I CALL BULLSHIT ON THE <COUGH - COUGH>.
I CAN'T KEEP THE NOVESKE 12.5" BARRELS IN STOCK. THEY TAKE ME MONTHS TO GET. I HAVE CUSTOMERS LINED UP FOR THEM. THEY ARE SOLD BEFORE THEY GET HERE. IF ADCO SERIOUSLY WANTS TO TEST ONE, HE CAN FRONT THE MONEY AND WAIT THE WAIT FOR A BARREL. IF HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT HE SEES, I'LL BUY THE BARREL FOR WHAT IT COST HIM, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I'LL GET AROUND TO DOING SOME VELOCITY TESTING - NO PROBLEM. IT JUST ISN'Y MY FIRST PRIORITY AT THE MOMENT, OR EVEN MY SECOND. GETTING ORDERS OUT IS. HOWEVER, I TOO AM CURIOUS AS TO WHAT RESULTS I WILL SEE. REGARDLESS OF THE RESULTS, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU OVER THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT WE'RE GETTING FROM NOVESKE RIFLEWORKS. THE BARRELS ARE A BEAUTIFULLY FINISHED PRODUCT, AND SHOOT WITH THE VERY BEST WE'VE EVER SEEN. THE PEOPLE AT NOVESKE RIFLEWORKS ARE TOP NOTCH, TOO. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 9:25:29 AM EDT
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8 LB 11 OZ UNLOADED. THAT'S WITH THE MEDIUM CONTOUR BARREL. THE STANDARD CONTOUR INCREASES THE WEIGHT BY 3 - 4 OUNCES. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 4/8/2006 10:42:24 AM EDT
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It will be interesting to see the velocity results. Many months ago there was a thread going over this very subject with respect to Armstech's polygonal, gain twist barrels. Armstech also makes claims of increased velocities, but the data posted here didn't back those claims up. If PacNor's polygonal rifling achieves higher velocities, I'd love to know how they do so but Armstech's barrel suppliers can't.
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Posted: 4/8/2006 11:41:29 AM EDT
[#33]
Awesome, thanks. |
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Posted: 4/9/2006 6:35:36 PM EDT
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With all the claims and speculations, could somebody please chrono the 12.5" Noveske barrel. If anyone out there has one, do us all a favor and fire a couple of rounds through a chrono and post the velocities. It will put us all to rest.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 5:20:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2006 5:29:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Thanks for the info Wes! Can you tell me how the flash is out of the Noveske system? Vic |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 6:11:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Good job Wes. Thanks for the effort in getting this out to all of us.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 6:44:19 PM EDT
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GLAD TO TRY TO HELP. NO FLASH OBSERVED, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS DAYLIGHT, AND I WAS BEHIND THE GUN. WES |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 3:08:15 AM EDT
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Wes, as always your the MAN!
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