I'm down for two if the GB gets off the ground

Looks killer!

Is this the mount some of y’all are looking for?

https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/Genuine-Contract-Nightforce-SOCOM-Mount-34mm-1-93-Cantilever-FDE/163-2381364/

We haven’t seen a 1.93 in the wild but this proves they exist

That’s cool to see they make them in 1.93

I’m in for one of those bad boys! The FDE M42ks.

Will these cans have NSN markings like the latest release of black ones?

So are Noveske Gen 1 lowers ever being released again? What’s the deal

They're now offered as Chainsaw, with changes to the engraving.

Edit: wrong button.

I suppose I should stop being lazy and swap the barrel now.

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Messing with different optics.

Just wanted to give an update on the FDE AAC M4-2000 group buy, got an SOT lined up so looking pretty good should have more info in the next week or two.

so if you want in, DM you contact info (name, email, #). If you want me to topple check your on it just shoot me a DM too.

my man...

Awesome, thank you for doing this!  DM sent

Has an approximate price been said yet?

Negative. I'll update as soon as I get one.

Message sent to get in on group buy

https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/Used-AAC-M4-2000-AZ-350/118-2383581/

Is PSD the best coater?

Had mine done by them.  Nothing but good things to say.
Bonus points when they have good taste in Whisky & Cigars lol

Finally got mine out to sight in last night.  Couldnt believe it, but the thing was nearly perfect right out the gate.  2" low at 100 for a fresh build and T2.  Easiest damn gun I've ever sighted in.  
I decided to run one of the Black River Tactical Gas Tubes in mine.  Shot very well.  Tested 193, 318, and some cheap Fiocci 55gr .223 out of it with no issues at all.  Pretty darn happy with how this one came out.

Crappy picture from the outing.

What BRT tube are you running?  I chose a .64 and have ran it with a Giselle super 42/H3 setup with both m4-2000 and sandman with excellent results.

Honestly a good question, I'm not sure.  I did their webpage thing where I gave them the guns info and told them to pick the size.  Barrel info, H2 Buffer, springco spring, Surefire Can, and told them I want to shoot both 5.56 & .223 suppressed and unsuppressed.

Whatever they chose works great from what I can tell with one range trip.

A few observations from today's loot. I picked up a new AAC M4-2000 and a contract overrun NSN M4-2000. I noticed some small differences between the two.

1) The NSN (left) does not have the AAC logo nor the capped end as seen on the standard M4-2000 (right). Also the NSN (left) has a cage code engraved which I failed to capture in the picture.



2) The location of the "On-Off" is located lower on the NSN (left) vs the standard (right)


3) The text on the NSN (left) looks like it was done by hand by a blind engraver using a chisel. Also, the finish on the NSN is slightly more matte than the standard (right) which is hard to get on camera


4)Lastly, the inside on the NSN (left) appears to be more silver on the inside of the latch part of the suppressor than the standard(right), which has a solid gray finish.


Hope for another batch approval in December... if I'm lucky.

“It’s Been Reported” Deadair has issues?

Based on what? A few pictures of some AAC cans still in service? Hint; I am sure the Damn Neck Armory still has plenty of them.

I’d bet lunch these “Reports” are merely internet “Experts” trying to sound important. No facts provided

Hint: AAC just supplied DG with new FDE 416-SDs.

Hint: That doesn’t mean Deadair’s are having “Issues”..

Link to proof either way?

Nobody “Speculated” AAC was having issues when they still bought more Ops cans years ago.

You can find "proof" by reading between the lines on AACs Instagram posts. Additionally, the cans were seen awaiting delivery in the same place, by the same person who broke the news of the 6 arc Geissele rifles being used by DG. If he wants to come forward that's up to him but I'm not gonna name drop.

The rumor of dead air issues started long before AACs new contract. While we don't know the exact issues, plenty of individuals in this thread including myself have run into issues with their DA cans on 5.56 guns.

no need to glaze DA this hard

Anyway .

Update on the group buy. Will be going through Bauer.
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pricing:
M4-2000FDE w/Mount -$825
M4-2000FDE w/o Mount -$775

LOL

So no proof, just marketing by a competitor. Got it.

No need to glaze AAC so hard.

Just prove it wrong then... show evidence the Da can is still being used on the 5.56 uppers. If not sounds like you're just an internet "Expert" trying to sound important

Photos, the NSN manual for the guns all clearly show Dead Air cans. All the evidence is on my side.

Vs.

New AAC marketing.

Until real evidence is provided Dead Air gets the nod.

Regardless if you think the AAC can was adopted again or not , it has been seen on this gun in a handful of photos. That is enough to make it clone correct. Also a lot of the photos we see of the dead air can is the training can on the sim only guns. It’s gonna be rather difficult now to get real op photos with the gwot over. We probably just going to have to wait until some of these guys get out and start companies.

The photos are not on your side. The vast majority of photos we have are from training and they are sim uppers with the sim can.

the manual does show da cans so we can assume they intended to use them on 5.56 upper also. then the word started floating around they hade issues with them on 5.56 uppers. Then photos of those surfaced of them using their 416-SDs. One specifically, that shows a newer end cap.

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Then AAC has a new contract for them that gets sent to Va beach. All of the evidence points to the rumors being true. No one is forcing you to buy an AAC can.

You cloners are so damn weird.

So where is the signup for the AAC cans?

So is this going to be a pay in full pre order, charge when can ships pre order, or a deposit then the rest pre order?

I never said AAC cans weren’t in service.

I merely questioned the AAC dealer telling me because a few photos popped up of their cans in service Deadair was “Having Issues” and inferring they had been wholesale replaced. Witch is absolute BS and based on nothing. They used those cans for many years. I am sure they have plenty of serviceable cans & mounts in the armory. To see a few in use means nothing.

Yes, it does make them “Clone Correct” again though.

I'm not an AAC dealer . I have no affiliation with them short of organizing a run of FDE m4-2000 for us. Im getting nothing out of that besides being able to purchase one for myself. I don't think there is an AAC dealer in this thread.

Yes, they have used these cans forever  and they just received a new order of them.

This is all the info I have at the time.

The production timeline is estimated to be completed in late November into early December and shipping into mid-January.
* Cancellations are allowed but the 25% is non-refundable.
2) 100% Down - 25% being Non-refundable
1) 25% Down - Non-refundable
Payment Options
Quantities of 5+ @ $780 per (Combo) $760 (Non-Combo/No MD
Quantities of 2-4 @ $800 per (combo) $770 (Non-Combo/No MD)

While I agree with you that this thread often becomes a circle jerk of people posting assumptions or "things they heard from the CS guy at Noveske" that quickly get turned into "facts" when they're complete nonsense (a lot of the Cerakote stuff comes to mind), it is reasonable to remember that we're talking about a carbine being used by one of the more covert/specialized SMUs in the U.S. military. And often the companies involved are under NDAs.

So, yes, while you're probably not going to see anyone in here post receipts or documented test data, there are people in here that either through a relationship at some of the companies or a relationship within the unit know things, and are allowed to talk about it specifically without providing proof. It's a little unreasonable to require it with everything. Often times with SMU clones, what the community has to work on is a lot of hearsay with pictures to back it up.

Both the manual and many of the photos you mention are very old, from the time when the carbine was first selected, and also during the time that AAC was still non-existent b/c of the Remington bankruptcy. At that time in history, continuing to use the 416-SD was not even a plausible option. Things have obviously changed in the market, both with Dead Air's and AAC's corporate dynamics. Also, as far as I'm aware, none of the Dead Air information has come from AAC or anyone affiliated with AAC.

But nobody is going to give you shit for using the DA can. Nor has anyone in this thread caught shit for using one. It's merely that the 416-SD, and by association the M4-2000, are now also acceptable options for this build. Even if the DA had been dropped like a rock, there was still a time in history when it *was* used and cloners are copying different periods of rifles all the time.

You seem really intent on de-bunking this rumor, but so far you've provided no proof that the DA can is still being used. We don't have a single photo from the last year or so of a DA can on a 5.56 gun, yet we have plenty of AAC examples. That lines up with what people have heard. And as someone already mentioned, we're most likely not going to be seeing the frequency of photos going forward that we did before. So whether people have their "facts" right or not, I think most people agree that both are acceptable from a clone perspective.

The newer contract fulfillment of these cans also coincided with AAC agreeing to start servicing older cans again, such as M4-2000s, and it's pretty clear from the photos they posted of it that this was driven by them servicing contract cans. So for those of us that own a significant amount of AAC suppressors, this is insanely great news even outside of the clone perspective, so I for one am happy that they're being used and purchased again, whether or not they're a replacement.

End of the day this is just a nerdy hobby and should be fun… use what makes ya happy. The DA can being readily available to civilians is super cool, when just a couple years ago that was uncertain, and now M4-2000s being readily available to civilians again is super cool, when just a couple years ago that seemed impossible.


Yeah. Well, ya know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man.

So which muzzle device is being used with the AAC suppressors?

Same as the 416s: 51t, 3 prong.

As a proud (longtime) m4-2000 and Sandman S owner I honestly believe they are choosing the AAC for its night performance.  Shootability at night is PARAMOUNT in a hostage rescue unit.  There doesn't need to be any other reason than that- and those who have shot both cans at night are well aware the Sandman is a flame thrower....

Isn't that the point of .300 blackout? Reduce muzzle flash from a suppressor, Quieter, less gas to the face, etc., all due to the amount of powder burn that happens with .300 blk. But I guess if they have to use 5.56 for a mission or training at night... then yeah totally can see your point. But real world, I would think they would use .300 blk, unless they are working with partner forces that are only utilizing 5.56.

5.56 is still the standard preferred cartridge for the assaulter for its all around capability out to distance.  Even if all the assaulters decided to run 300 black, it would still make sense to keep the m4-2000 on the 5.56 uppers for its night performance as there are plenty of situations where 5.56 is preferable to 300 black.......

I don't think 5.56 is going away any time soon.

Probably so. My only gripe with the AAC can is the cerakote rubs off so quick lol.

Console yourself.

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