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Link Posted: 4/16/2021 4:53:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MickeyWHS] [#1]
Got in a couple of decent range sessions with the LVAW clone, zero complaints thus far. While the handguard gets as warm as one would expect, it's tolerable. On a related note I convinced the guy at ALTRD to start designing the proper heat shield for the LVAW handguard (which will be a drop-in fit since he already included the screw holes for it). He's also working on a very lo-pro scout mount that will still allow the use of an NGAL or PEQ15/LA-5 alongside the light body.



Link Posted: 4/16/2021 8:39:28 PM EDT
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So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm.
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 9:16:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MickeyWHS:
Got in a couple of decent range sessions with the LVAW clone, zero complaints thus far. While the handguard gets as warm as one would expect, it's tolerable. On a related note I convinced the guy at ALTRD to start designing the proper heat shield for the LVAW handguard (which will be a drop-in fit since he already included the screw holes for it). He's also working on a very lo-pro scout mount that will still allow the use of an NGAL or PEQ15/LA-5 alongside the light body.

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that is good news
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 10:17:54 PM EDT
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Need him to make it and then sell it to me
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 10:35:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm.
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Yeah. they have made some recent changes the past couple of years. Assaulters went to the P320 X Five and switched to the Noveske. What are they saying in the Recce thread?
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 10:47:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm.
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I'd like to know this as well.

Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 11:01:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:


I'd like to know this as well.

Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm.


I'd like to know this as well.

Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now

So the short discussion starts on the bottom of page 56 of the nsw recce. Basically a guy "in the know" states this is what they are using and this is what they have and he cloned it. Only thing I find hard to believe is that he mentioned that the x24 was still the standard. Other than that it seems to be pretty believable. Also I'm not calling this guy a liar or anything at all, I'm just stating I can't confirm it's true or false as I do not know him. W/ the nature of these units it's not like we can just ask for a bunch of pictures from the guys in atm.
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 12:46:19 AM EDT
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Happy 4/16 Day
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 7:33:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:

So the short discussion starts on the bottom of page 56 of the nsw recce. Basically a guy "in the know" states this is what they are using and this is what they have and he cloned it. Only thing I find hard to believe is that he mentioned that the x24 was still the standard. Other than that it seems to be pretty believable. Also I'm not calling this guy a liar or anything at all, I'm just stating I can't confirm it's true or false as I do not know him. W/ the nature of these units it's not like we can just ask for a bunch of pictures from the guys in atm.
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Curious if the ATACR's will be on the .300 variants as well.
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 7:50:10 AM EDT
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Curious if the ATACR's will be on the .300 variants as well.
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Yea. Would be a fast way to switch zero from super to sub. And the 125gr stuff is good out to 6-700.
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 8:03:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By smartliketractor:


That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo.
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Confirmed gas port size at .081" measured.


That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo.



It is big... but how does it shoot? There must be a reason why they go with 0.081. I imagine they can choose anything they want.
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 8:03:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:


Yea. Would be a fast way to switch zero from super to sub. And the 125gr stuff is good out to 6-700.
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Kinda digging the idea of it.

Edit: FYI Sandman S back in stock at Silencershop
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 5:08:28 PM EDT
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All this work for different markings and color.
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 5:40:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2Keylows:
All this work for different markings and color.
https://i.imgur.com/ytyDWzkh.jpg
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You building one too?
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 5:44:43 PM EDT
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*Sigh* Yes.
Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone.
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 5:46:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2Keylows:

*Sigh* Yes.
Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone.
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Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha.
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 5:47:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2Keylows:

*Sigh* Yes.
Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone.
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Existence is pain... the way I look at it, I have 7+ months to source parts.
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 6:00:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha.
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha.

I noticed... At least they have a pretty IG page.
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Existence is pain... the way I look at it, I have 7+ months to source parts.

Oh yeah. I fully expect a year plus on this guy, I don't have very good luck with Nfa items.
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 6:14:34 PM EDT
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Dead Air just confirmed via email that sharpie on the end cap of the FDE MIL Sandmans means that it needs to go back in for RMA
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 6:23:32 PM EDT
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For those w/ an f prefixed Noveske lower, what's the difference on font from a W prefixed lower?
Link Posted: 4/23/2021 10:11:41 PM EDT
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Got held up on cerakoting my parts. But I should be doing them soon since I got a couple guys sending me their parts to do as well and I'll do them all at the same time.
Link Posted: 4/24/2021 9:53:45 PM EDT
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Navy barrel and the forbidden ammo

Link Posted: 4/25/2021 7:39:55 AM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/szO2wSD.jpg

Navy barrel and the forbidden ammo

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Much sex.
Link Posted: 4/27/2021 8:23:06 PM EDT
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52 minutes of 75th Ranger Regiment playing with their toys...

Link Posted: 4/28/2021 10:42:00 AM EDT
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Noveske/DEVGRU cloners: Gunbroker has a few Buy It Now Gen 3 uppers at $500 each. That's $200 less than what they typically go for.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899628438
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 11:57:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Noveske/DEVGRU cloners: Gunbroker has a few Buy It Now Gen 3 uppers at $500 each. That's $200 less than what they typically go for.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899628438
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Damn they really go for 700?
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 12:32:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:


Damn they really go for 700?
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I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now.

The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while.
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 3:24:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now.

The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while.
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Gotcha. Didn't realize they were that much.
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 3:45:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
https://i.imgur.com/Gt0T9XH.jpg

Got held up on cerakoting my parts. But I should be doing them soon since I got a couple guys sending me their parts to do as well and I'll do them all at the same time.
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https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/dead-air-sandman-s-fde-military-contract/?fbclid=IwAR3TnXTeMdhvcZM3UeLCM4kD74x2ARE2RyW_RUOdQ0XpjlOObIX1eSo01S8

Big Tex has 28 in stock
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 3:57:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now.

The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while.
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- me actually thinking about purchasing one as it's the last part I need besides the correct barrel
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 5:08:29 PM EDT
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- me actually thinking about purchasing one as it's the last part I need besides the correct barrel
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I got the can so far
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 5:29:02 PM EDT
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I got the can so far
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I purchased a complete novekse pistol from GB and I'm parting it out. So I just need the correct barrels and I'll be set... so Basically I'll never be set haha
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Coupon code alliancepd will get you 15% off too.
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 6:07:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
I purchased a complete novekse pistol from GB and I'm parting it out. So I just need the correct barrels and I'll be set... so Basically I'll never be set haha
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Smart move. I almost snagged a upper in 5.56 the other day but got beat to it.
Link Posted: 4/28/2021 9:15:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By smartliketractor:


That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo.
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Military guns need to be able to operate in extreme cold. Who knows, maybe there have been new, lower, operating temperature range requirements derived from Arctic conflict CONOPS.
Link Posted: 4/29/2021 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Can we start compiling info on the first post like the other clone threads with relevant info for each one, like atleast the barrel length, manufacturer, and caliber to start?

Edit: Are the LVAW using 6.75" barrels? Are the guys using them mostly running subs?
Link Posted: 4/30/2021 6:38:49 PM EDT
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Gunbroker has Noveske gen 3 uppers for $450. 7 in stock.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899838776
Link Posted: 5/2/2021 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2021 11:19:03 AM EDT
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Niiice man.
Link Posted: 5/2/2021 9:11:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/3/2021 9:52:05 PM EDT
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Picked this up today. Most of the Parts are accounted for or are on the way. Only thing I need is the correct .300 barrel.... Dont know if that will ever happen. Gen 3 upper comes wen. Waiting on a barrel nut wrench to break this down to send it out to get cerakoted. Any recommendations on that front would be well appreciated. I can already tell this will be my fav build.

Link Posted: 5/4/2021 8:32:36 AM EDT
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Are all you guys going with F prefix on your lowers or just going with whatever Gen 1 you can find?
Link Posted: 5/4/2021 9:39:28 PM EDT
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Found a guy local to me that does Cerakote. I'm trading him a Noveske MUR upper for some peanut butter.

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Anyone know where to get the 5.56 marked dust covers?
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 4:25:07 PM EDT
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Are all you guys going with F prefix on your lowers or just going with whatever Gen 1 you can find?
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So I couldn't find an F prefix and after asking around I just went w/ the common W prefixed lower. From my limited understanding the F marked lowers were simply produced at the same timeframe as the contract ones. The only difference I could see in photos between the two was the serial numbers, maybe someone else could better comment on them however.
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 4:39:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
So I couldn't find an F prefix and after asking around I just went w/ the common W prefixed lower. From my limited understanding the F marked lowers were simply produced at the same timeframe as the contract ones. The only difference I could see in photos between the two was the serial numbers, maybe someone else could better comment on them however.
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“F” prefix has the updated engravings that is seen on the contract lowers.  “W” is just the latest made lowers from this year.  Same markings.  

Contract lowers actually got “X” marked prefixes in their serial numbers if I’m not mistaken.
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 5:53:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:


"F" prefix has the updated engravings that is seen on the contract lowers.  "W" is just the latest made lowers from this year.  Same markings.  

Contract lowers actually got "X" marked prefixes in their serial numbers if I'm not mistaken.
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Damn I think I have a gen 1 lower made the first year Noveski made lowers (2007-2008 IIRC).

Are these close to the lowers Dev uses?
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 6:15:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Can we start compiling info on the first post like the other clone threads with relevant info for each one, like atleast the barrel length, manufacturer, and caliber to start?

Edit: Are the LVAW using 6.75" barrels? Are the guys using them mostly running subs?
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I’m curious about mil 300 loads too. 6.75” is the barrel length used by the LVAW. From what I understand it was never sold commercially on a complete gun until the TacOps. coregon can correct me if I’m wrong on that.

I’d love more info in general about the LVAW guns. Especially current guns.
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 6:31:24 PM EDT
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I’m curious about mil 300 loads too. 6.75” is the barrel length used by the LVAW. From what I understand it was never sold commercially on a complete gun until the TacOps. coregon can correct me if I’m wrong on that.

I’d love more info in general about the LVAW guns. Especially current guns.
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1-5 twist is what makes that 6.75” barrel magical….
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 7:54:59 PM EDT
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1-5 twist is what makes that 6.75” barrel magical….
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The Q Honey Badger barrel is a 1:5 7”.

Mos Tek can also spin something more custom (lengths etc) with the fast twist rate too.
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 8:32:35 PM EDT
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Love the 6.75 mcx. The 1-5 twist is great. We had a good thread about the lvaw, but it may have been archived.
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