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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:24:59 PM EST
I was told you should mount your AR "nose to charging handle". I tried it. It feels pretty cramped. I know it is supposed to give you a consistent cheek weld. But, I don't like it so far.

Do you do this?

Why? or Why not?
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:27:12 PM EST
I don't, but pretty close. I can understand why people do though, as they can get consistant, repeatable sight picture. I can either way, so....
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:27:26 PM EST
I think it's just a way to teach hundreds of young men that have no previous knowledge of firearms how to create a consistent cheek weld.

Do what works best for you.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:33:55 PM EST
That's the way I was taught by Uncle Sam and it works.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:34:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2008 1:57:18 PM EST by Unreconstructed]
I got used to shooting nose to charging handle in the Army and I still index my cheekweld using the CH. Barely make contact, but I know its there.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:38:18 PM EST
You mean like this???

Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:38:22 PM EST
Nose to the handle for me.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:48:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Steve_in_PA:
You mean like this???

i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/Steve_in_PA/Shooting/FRBastropTXMarch2007762.jpg



Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:51:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Steve_in_PA:
You mean like this???

i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/Steve_in_PA/Shooting/FRBastropTXMarch2007762.jpg


Nose to CH, not CH IN your nose....
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 7:59:43 PM EST
Last time at the range I had snot on my CH. I guess thats close enuf. I had a slight cold. eeewww....
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:05:16 PM EST
Yes. Taught myself to shoot
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:08:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/1/2008 8:08:51 PM EST by ORinTX]
yup

ETA: consistent cheek weld, and that's how close I like my ARs. I keep them close to the body, that way they balance better.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:11:48 PM EST
That's a funny photo!
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:14:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/1/2008 8:15:09 PM EST by Retspag]
That’s unnecessary IMO; I just put mine up and shoot it, that’s what’s cool about the peep sight it centers your eye were it should be.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:24:01 PM EST
Nope.

Tape on the stock is one way to be sure you're doing it the same every time without having to do it the nose to CH way. Works just fine.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:31:58 PM EST
yes
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:34:30 PM EST
I used to be 100% about it, but since I've gotten an EOTech not so much. When I flip up the irons it comes right back.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:45:09 PM EST
I do it.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 8:57:19 PM EST
I don't like it, but it works well, so I do it.
Link Posted: 6/1/2008 9:02:56 PM EST
consistacy of your cheekweld is very important with iron and scope to confirm zero, especially at distance. for me the closer i am to the peep sight the clearer my sight picture is.

mark a spot on your stock that is comfortable for you, zero with that and stick to it.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:42:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
I think it's just a way to teach hundreds of young men that have no previous knowledge of firearms how to create a consistent cheek weld.

Do what works best for you.


agreed, that is how I was taught, prior to enlisting I never touched a gun in my life.

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:08:26 AM EST
I do it b/c I am more consistent shooting NtCH.

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:50:13 AM EST
Nope.

BTW. A poll would be interesting.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:51:11 AM EST
It all good until its hunting season and you start shooting the 50 Beowulf and suddenly you are reminded of the high school days when you took a punch in the nose for the first time.




Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:58:19 AM EST
Length of stock makes a difference, but I've gotten used to shooting nose-to-handle and haven't had any problems.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 4:48:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 4:50:27 AM EST by shrikefan]

Originally Posted By Muskyjerk:
It all good until its hunting season and you start shooting the 50 Beowulf and suddenly you are reminded of the high school days when you took a punch in the nose for the first time.




i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/muskyjerk/aImg_0051.jpg


+1 and NICE BUCK!

Nose to anything on a gun is looking for pain. I don't do it.

ETA- You waited until HS to get hit in the nose? I waited until HS to STOP getting hit in the nose.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 5:15:33 AM EST
I liked it until I got my AR10 carbine.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 5:24:20 AM EST
I don't do it. It's close. But if I collapse my stock too far, my wrist feels awkward. But my nose is still a little back from it. I think it may touch a little during recoil, but not like that picture.

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 5:44:16 AM EST
+1 yes
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 5:54:50 AM EST
When I shoot Irons, I put the handle right on the tip of my beak.

-Mark.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:54:02 AM EST
I can understand the reasoning with this method and irons.

Do many of you still do this when you use your Aimpoint, EoTech, or traditional scope?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:18:22 AM EST
I don't care for NTCH...but then again, I was shooting for over 20yrs before I ever picked-up an AR.

My first center-fire was a 98K Mauser in 8MM with 220gr Elk loads...a different breed of Cat!



The Ol' Crew Chief
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:21:13 AM EST
With your nose to the charging handle.. you basically end up right in the correct weld and your eye ends up right about where your rear sight lines up..

Try it..

bring the rifle up with the rear BUIS down (nose to charging handle) and look at the sight picture...

Then bring the rifle up with the BUIS up.. it's the same damn spot..
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:26:55 AM EST
I was never taught NTCH in the USMC and dont do it today. 4th Award Expert USMC. Expert every time but once (bad day), on the AF range. Never used it never will.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 8:50:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 8:51:04 AM EST by DUH556]
No. Tried it. Don't like it, don't need it. To each his own.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 9:00:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 9:00:46 AM EST by Harv24]
Experienced shooters should not need to.

It's a technique that helps the .Mil achieve consistency with new and in experienced shooters (By the thousands).

They did'nt use if for the Garands or M14's......

The .Mil does a lot of things that I don't do anymore... this is one of them..
Overcleaning is another.....

I shoot fine and stopped using NTCH a long time ago...

That pic of Steve mashing his nose to the CH is way overkill in my opinion and not comfortable at all.

Like one poster said, the aperature sight natuarly makes you center the front sight post.
And NTCH is completely not needed when using a RDS optic.

And ask yourself this question... What's the .Mil going to use when they field a new rifle/carbine in the future that has the CH located along the side of the receiver???
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:30:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 10:33:02 AM EST by halfmoonclip]
With a collapsible stock, I can get that close, but it feels awkward. With an A1 stock, I have to climb the stock to get that close, again if feels awkward. With an A2, urk, I don't even want to talk about it.
In either case, putting the buttstock completely into the shoulder makes it easier to get closer to the CH, but puts the neck and eyes at an odd angle, and you're sighting thru' the very top of your glasses.
Works better for me to have the toe of the stock into my shoulder and my head more upright.
Moon
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 11:00:10 AM EST
maybe I should make a run of "nose to charging handle" die cuts stickers
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 11:08:09 AM EST
I do it for CQB, as it allows a bigger sight view through the rear apperture, but at long range I get better groups by being further from the rear sight; makes hole appear as a smaller MOA, less room for error.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 11:13:39 AM EST
Yes I do it. Taught that way...but I seem to not get as good a sight picture if I back off a bit. So it's a habit.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 11:26:25 AM EST
Don't care for it.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:09:54 PM EST
I shoot just fine without it, but I have tried it. And I couldn't stand it. I found myself focusing on absorbing the recoil with my nose, and could hardly concentrate. It hurt every time i pulled the trigger. I guess my nose just isn't as flexible as the guy in that picture's!
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:15:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By YZ250Rider:
I shoot just fine without it, but I have tried it. And I couldn't stand it. I found myself focusing on absorbing the recoil with my nose, and could hardly concentrate. It hurt every time i pulled the trigger. I guess my nose just isn't as flexible as the guy in that picture's!




Dude, just touch the very tip of your nose to it.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:28:26 PM EST
i hate it. its a technique that doesn't transfer well to other weapons.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:32:14 PM EST
A1 or M4 yes, A2 no. I feel too streched out doing this with a A2.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:34:29 PM EST
Nope...never have and I shoot just fine for my needs
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 12:44:40 PM EST
Who's got the cartoon picture of the drill sergeant yelling at you to put your f'ing nose on the f'ing charing handle?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:12:10 PM EST
I thought that it was CLP on my charging handle but its snot!

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 5:14:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 5:15:25 PM EST by Feanor]

Originally Posted By Jimmy_Hoffa:
I do it for CQB, as it allows a bigger sight view through the rear apperture, but at long range I get better groups by being further from the rear sight; makes hole appear as a smaller MOA, less room for error.
Exactly. The farther away your eyes are from the sights, the more accurate the sights will be. Also depending on your optics it will be easier to look with both eyes open if you're farther away. Optics have an "eye relief" specification, just so you know how far away you can get.

I use muscle memory to keep a consistent cheek weld. Soon you will pull the gun quickly into position without even thinking; no need for a charging handle. Also if you are not right behind to the CH, you will not have to worry about the recoil of larger calibers.

I don't really think about it too much when I'm shooting, but I would say my nose is an inch or so behind the front end of the buttstock.

But as others have said do what works for you! If you can put bullets where you want them, perfect.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 2:31:59 AM EST
Didn't start out that way, but that's how I shoot now.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 6:34:19 AM EST
Nose to CH is just a technique. Don't get wrapped around it.
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