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CA, USA
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I was told you should mount your AR "nose to charging handle". I tried it. It feels pretty cramped. I know it is supposed to give you a consistent cheek weld. But, I don't like it so far.
Do you do this? Why? or Why not? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:27:12 PM EST
I don't, but pretty close. I can understand why people do though, as they can get consistant, repeatable sight picture. I can either way, so....
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:27:26 PM EST
I think it's just a way to teach hundreds of young men that have no previous knowledge of firearms how to create a consistent cheek weld.
Do what works best for you. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:33:55 PM EST
That's the way I was taught by Uncle Sam and it works.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:34:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2008 1:57:18 PM EST by Unreconstructed]
I got used to shooting nose to charging handle in the Army and I still index my cheekweld using the CH. Barely make contact, but I know its there.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:38:18 PM EST
You mean like this???
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HI, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:38:22 PM EST
Nose to the handle for me.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:48:55 PM EST
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USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:51:48 PM EST
Nose to CH, not CH IN your nose.... |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 7:59:43 PM EST
Last time at the range I had snot on my CH. I guess thats close enuf. I had a slight cold. eeewww....
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:05:16 PM EST
Yes. Taught myself to shoot
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:08:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/1/2008 8:08:51 PM EST by ORinTX]
yup
ETA: consistent cheek weld, and that's how close I like my ARs. I keep them close to the body, that way they balance better. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:11:48 PM EST
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USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:14:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/1/2008 8:15:09 PM EST by Retspag]
That’s unnecessary IMO; I just put mine up and shoot it, that’s what’s cool about the peep sight it centers your eye were it should be.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:24:01 PM EST
Nope.
Tape on the stock is one way to be sure you're doing it the same every time without having to do it the nose to CH way. Works just fine. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:31:58 PM EST
yes
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:34:30 PM EST
I used to be 100% about it, but since I've gotten an EOTech not so much. When I flip up the irons it comes right back.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:45:09 PM EST
I do it.
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KOR
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:57:19 PM EST
I don't like it, but it works well, so I do it.
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:02:56 PM EST
consistacy of your cheekweld is very important with iron and scope to confirm zero, especially at distance. for me the closer i am to the peep sight the clearer my sight picture is.
mark a spot on your stock that is comfortable for you, zero with that and stick to it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 2:42:39 AM EST
agreed, that is how I was taught, prior to enlisting I never touched a gun in my life. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:08:26 AM EST
I do it b/c I am more consistent shooting NtCH.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:50:13 AM EST
Nope.
BTW. A poll would be interesting. 
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:51:11 AM EST
It all good until its hunting season and you start shooting the 50 Beowulf and suddenly you are reminded of the high school days when you took a punch in the nose for the first time.
 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:58:19 AM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2008 4:48:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 4:50:27 AM EST by shrikefan]
+1 and NICE BUCK! Nose to anything on a gun is looking for pain. I don't do it. ETA- You waited until HS to get hit in the nose? I waited until HS to STOP getting hit in the nose.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:15:33 AM EST
I liked it until I got my AR10 carbine.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:24:20 AM EST
I don't do it. It's close. But if I collapse my stock too far, my wrist feels awkward. But my nose is still a little back from it. I think it may touch a little during recoil, but not like that picture.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:44:16 AM EST
+1 yes
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:54:50 AM EST
When I shoot Irons, I put the handle right on the tip of my beak.
-Mark. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:54:02 AM EST
I can understand the reasoning with this method and irons.
Do many of you still do this when you use your Aimpoint, EoTech, or traditional scope? |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:18:22 AM EST
I don't care for NTCH...but then again, I was shooting for over 20yrs before I ever picked-up an AR.
My first center-fire was a 98K Mauser in 8MM with 220gr Elk loads...a different breed of Cat! The Ol' Crew Chief |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:21:13 AM EST
With your nose to the charging handle.. you basically end up right in the correct weld and your eye ends up right about where your rear sight lines up..
Try it.. bring the rifle up with the rear BUIS down (nose to charging handle) and look at the sight picture... Then bring the rifle up with the BUIS up.. it's the same damn spot.. |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:26:55 AM EST
I was never taught NTCH in the USMC and dont do it today. 4th Award Expert USMC. Expert every time but once (bad day), on the AF range. Never used it never will.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 8:50:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 8:51:04 AM EST by DUH556]
No. Tried it. Don't like it, don't need it. To each his own.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 9:00:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 9:00:46 AM EST by Harv24]
Experienced shooters should not need to.
It's a technique that helps the .Mil achieve consistency with new and in experienced shooters (By the thousands). They did'nt use if for the Garands or M14's......  The .Mil does a lot of things that I don't do anymore... this is one of them.. Overcleaning is another..... I shoot fine and stopped using NTCH a long time ago... That pic of Steve mashing his nose to the CH is way overkill in my opinion and not comfortable at all. Like one poster said, the aperature sight natuarly makes you center the front sight post. And NTCH is completely not needed when using a RDS optic. And ask yourself this question... What's the .Mil going to use when they field a new rifle/carbine in the future that has the CH located along the side of the receiver??? 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 10:30:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 10:33:02 AM EST by halfmoonclip]
With a collapsible stock, I can get that close, but it feels awkward. With an A1 stock, I have to climb the stock to get that close, again if feels awkward. With an A2, urk, I don't even want to talk about it.
In either case, putting the buttstock completely into the shoulder makes it easier to get closer to the CH, but puts the neck and eyes at an odd angle, and you're sighting thru' the very top of your glasses. Works better for me to have the toe of the stock into my shoulder and my head more upright. Moon |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:00:10 AM EST
maybe I should make a run of "nose to charging handle" die cuts stickers
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:08:09 AM EST
I do it for CQB, as it allows a bigger sight view through the rear apperture, but at long range I get better groups by being further from the rear sight; makes hole appear as a smaller MOA, less room for error.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:13:39 AM EST
Yes I do it. Taught that way...but I seem to not get as good a sight picture if I back off a bit. So it's a habit.
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USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:26:25 AM EST
Don't care for it.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:09:54 PM EST
I shoot just fine without it, but I have tried it. And I couldn't stand it. I found myself focusing on absorbing the recoil with my nose, and could hardly concentrate. It hurt every time i pulled the trigger. I guess my nose just isn't as flexible as the guy in that picture's!
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:15:06 PM EST
 Dude, just touch the very tip of your nose to it. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:28:26 PM EST
i hate it. its a technique that doesn't transfer well to other weapons.
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USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:32:14 PM EST
A1 or M4 yes, A2 no. I feel too streched out doing this with a A2.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:34:29 PM EST
Nope...never have and I shoot just fine for my needs
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:44:40 PM EST
Who's got the cartoon picture of the drill sergeant yelling at you to put your f'ing nose on the f'ing charing handle?
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Posted: 6/2/2008 2:12:10 PM EST
I thought that it was CLP on my charging handle but its snot!
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2008 5:14:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 5:15:25 PM EST by Feanor]
I use muscle memory to keep a consistent cheek weld. Soon you will pull the gun quickly into position without even thinking; no need for a charging handle. Also if you are not right behind to the CH, you will not have to worry about the recoil of larger calibers. I don't really think about it too much when I'm shooting, but I would say my nose is an inch or so behind the front end of the buttstock. But as others have said do what works for you! If you can put bullets where you want them, perfect. |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:31:59 AM EST
Didn't start out that way, but that's how I shoot now.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2008 6:34:19 AM EST
Nose to CH is just a technique. Don't get wrapped around it.
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