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Posted: 6/20/2016 12:44:13 AM EDT
Just finished two builds. One is a 20" rifle with Stag bull barrel. The other is a 16" carbine with a mid length gas system. They both shoot well. The problem I'm having with both is a fail to feed. They cycle fine bit they won't pick up a round out of the mag. When I cycle them by hand they work fine. The 20" seems to have more problems with picking up the round but it hangs when chambering or what is termed lock bind or something like that. Hanging the round when chambering only happened a few times with the carbine. The one thing I will say is that I've only functioned fired both and used Monarch steel case ammo in both. I used that crappy ammo like I said just to get a few rounds through them. I haven't used any really good brass cased ammo in either yet. The 20" is using a Palmetto M16 bcg and I have an Aim nickel boron bcg in the carbine. If anybody has any ideas what to look for please let me know. I can provide more particulars for each rifle if necessary. Thanks a lot, Matt. P.S. I used a Gen 2 P-mag in both.
Link Posted: 6/20/2016 1:22:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/20/2016 11:04:24 AM EDT
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I cleaned lined them well on assembly and made sure they were plenty wet, to the point I was steady wiping them down to pick up any excess lube. I've used Licas Oil Extreme Dutt on both rifles everywhere except the hammer notch. I actually put some high pressure grease on that spot and on the trigger. I also used a P-mag for the testing. I have some mags from C Products and even some older Colt GI mags. I know I used the PMag on the carbine and the rifle. I can't remember if I used any other mag on the rifle. The one thing I didn't do was lube the lugs much. Both bolts function really well and aggressively extract and pitch the spent rounds. It just won't pick up a new one.
I hope your right about it just being ammo. I can line the bolt really well and try some good ammo and see what happens.

On the same note, I just spoke to a buddy this morning that told me he's getting gouges in his casings from a new build. He said when he uses his Palmetto M16 style bcg they gouge the case 1/3 the way down from the end. He said when he switches bcg's to a Colt AR15 style bcg it functions flawlessly. I mentioned to him about the 3 point bind, but he said he didn't think it was doing that, although based on his explanation that's what it sounds like to me.

Anyway, thanks for any help y'all can give me on these new build blues. Thanks, Matt
Link Posted: 6/20/2016 12:54:42 PM EDT
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I had the same problem and it turned out that my 10 round p-mags and my crappy Wolf ammo was the problem not the rifles.
Link Posted: 6/20/2016 7:18:18 PM EDT
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I'm fixing to go run them with some good ammo.
Link Posted: 6/20/2016 9:34:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/20/2016 10:04:47 PM EDT
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Ammo sounds right, and the cleaning essentials are primary.

Check the gas systems as well; make sure the gas blocks are good as well as the gas keys on the BCGs.  Not likely , but if you had one problem part you could have 2.

R
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 12:42:27 AM EDT
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Very good read Dano. I appreciate you taking the time to spell it all out. I will be following that to a T. Took it to a gun shop today and the guys behind the counter kinda came to the consensus that its under gassing causing a short cycle situation therefore not picking up the next round. I loaded up some good ammo and was about to go to the range and found out they were closed today. I'll be going out at the first opportunity.

IAs far as my buddy's problem I was able to determine that the extractor was binding and not pivoting over the case as it should. Not sure what's causing that as I diagnosed his over the phone. Had him swap out first the known working bolt into the non working carrier and it did fine. Then he sent me a picture of his jammed up cartridge It was gouging the side of the case on the chamber edge. Upon closer inspection I pointed out the thought of the extractor not pivoting over the case rim. With the spring out of the extractor it pivoted on the bolt just fine. So I gave him a few pointers. Told him to swap the known good extractor into the bolt and see if it worked. It ran fine confirming a problem with the extractor. He's gonna look it over real good and find out what is causing his extractor to not pivot over the case rim. We'll see how that works. Thanks a lot for the insight and info Matt
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 12:53:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/21/2016 7:25:34 AM EDT
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I have a spring and an o-ring under my extractors. Is that not correct? Should they be tested with just the spring and not the spring and o-ring? Good idea on charging with a single round. I'll try that too.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:55:36 PM EDT
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I have a spring and an o-ring under my extractors. Is that not correct? Should they be tested with just the spring and not the spring and o-ring? Good idea on charging with a single round. I'll try that too.
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You're on track, Hotrod.  It takes time and being willing to work through things one at at a time.  Dano is really good at getting into the details, try one thing at a time and come back out of the weeds when something doesn't work and go on to the next.  This is how this works in the AR game.  

Every extractor has the spring, some have the little neoprene ring because relatively weak extraction is an inherent weakness in the AR design.  Some manufacturers put in an O ring, some don't.  I believe Dano's point is to try it both ways.

Shooting with a single round is the first place to start with a new build.  It let's you know what your rifle does at the end of a magazine load, and you don't have to go through 30 rounds to find out.


Link Posted: 6/21/2016 11:45:24 PM EDT
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Thanks guys. I'm gonna go at it methodically. Hopefully it won't take long or be a big deal. Right now I'm thinking short stroking, but I'll find out for sure soon. Got o-rings on these two. I'll check that too.
My buddy found his extractor so tight he needed pliers to get any movement, but it doesn't bind when the spring and o-ring are removed. Gonna try it without the o-ring.
Thank y'all.
Link Posted: 6/22/2016 1:20:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/22/2016 5:48:44 PM EDT
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My son took the carbine out today and shot a few rounds of brass cased ammo through it. I don't remember what brand ammo it is, but I believe it was some older milsurp ammo I had. Ran flawlessly according to him. I'm gonna try the rifle when I get time. I'll let my buddy know about the o-ring and tell him to take it out and give it a try. So far so good guys. I appreciate it.
Link Posted: 6/23/2016 12:14:44 AM EDT
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