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Posted: 3/17/2006 2:40:31 PM EDT
 I should have ordered the standerd length first, this was a PITA to install; ever worse then the KAC MRE. Its a real chore aligning the FSB pins with the rail in place... Heres DDs version of a rail lock - holds it toghether an keeps it from rotating if it ever came loose.  |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 2:54:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Nice +1!
I can't wait for the AR15 Lite Rail to come out... |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 2:56:35 PM EDT
[#2]
How soon will you have them in stock?
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Posted: 3/17/2006 2:58:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Nice, how does the weight/ balance feel on it?
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:05:29 PM EDT
[#4]
That's nice. Are my eyes decieving me, or is the 12 o'clock rail lower than the flattop?
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:13:09 PM EDT
[#5]
ur not the only one seeing it lower. Methinks those rails are out of spec.
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:29:16 PM EDT
[#6]
Out of spec? What spec? Did someone come out with a spec for handguards??? I guess its easy when paying over $300 for a handguard, to forget its just a handguard  It didnt catch my eye as being lower, I think its just the pictures. I'll take a closer look when I get back to the shop in the morning. As to the weight/feel/balance, its well made an light. If you have a grenade launcher, this would be a great option. I dont have a M203, so I woudn't want to pay for that feature and I look forward to the standard DD rails to come out with this way of attaching to the receiver. |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:30:52 PM EDT
[#7]
Me too! 
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:36:12 PM EDT
[#8]
How light is it? Would a 9.5 FSP variant be lighter or equal to say a LaRue 7.0?
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:40:03 PM EDT
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Check out the rail thread, it lists the various weights. DD rails come in lighter than the rest, but I am not sure you can compare longer rails to shorter ones and still win. Then again, maybe you can, I guess I should check that thread out as well.... 
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Posted: 3/17/2006 4:47:50 PM EDT
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As near as I can tell that thread doesn't cover the new attachment method. |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:17:24 PM EDT
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are they going to convert over to this style, or will this just be an option to add. ie are we still going to be able to get the current DD handguards
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:20:22 PM EDT
[#12]
I kinda like the extended look. And each day I think on it, a 37mm flare and smoke launcher sounds cooler and cooler. I wouldn't mind if DD switched over to this style.
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:31:00 PM EDT
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What ever you do, do not publicly state that the DD RIS is too expensive.
I'm in for the DD lite rail. |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:36:19 PM EDT
[#14]
I believe both will be offered. |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:44:10 PM EDT
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Steve, How did you to install the FSB pins ? (rotate the loose HG until it layed on the FSB)? |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 5:51:22 PM EDT
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Nope, you cant rotate it because the gas tube is through the rail into the receiver  |
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Posted: 3/17/2006 6:08:47 PM EDT
[#17]
Nice stick Steve. Damn it took me 4 times when opening this to see and nothing for me. Final I see it. OH, U should see a upper from me soon to be worked on it in the mail. The Postal man had a scared face when he asked if it was a whole gun. LOL . OUT. Tuna.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 12:10:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Steve, Did you get a chance to look into this? |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 12:21:42 PM EDT
[#19]
I completely forgot to look. The rail is NOT the same height as the receiver.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 12:35:08 PM EDT
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Hmm. You'd think that would be a must these days. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:10:55 PM EDT
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With standard forends, I've never considered it a big deal, and thought that the whole topic was over-analyzed... HOWEVER, if you're going to have a CONTINUOUS RAIL, then the rail should be CONTINUOUS. The whole benefit (for me anyway) to a continuous rail is so I can mount an optic a little further forward, spanning the receiver and forend, without having to spend $200 on a mount. This isn't any more functional from that respect than my other (ADCO purchased and very much loved) DD forends.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:29:47 PM EDT
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I agree. The top rail should be inline with the flat-top!!! I wonder why it isn't? Maybe a machining problem? Do you really think they purposely designed it lower than the flat-top? |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:31:00 PM EDT
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+1 My $100 YHM works great for that purpose. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:03:05 PM EDT
[#24]
wierd. I thought it was probably an illusion in the picture...
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:46:50 PM EDT
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Yeah, I have to say I'm pretty surprised and disappointed by that. I am (was?) really looking forward to the DD AR15 lite rail and planed to use it for my next build but if it's going to be like this rail and step down then I'll be using something else  Does DD's AR10 rail step down like this one? I know their current AR15 rails don't. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:52:42 PM EDT
[#26]
The AR10 rails are lever with the receiver, as I expect the AR15 rails will also. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:36:19 PM EDT
[#27]
The AR10 and upcoming AR15 rails are both level with the upper receiver.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:55:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Cool deal. Thanks guys
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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:18:54 PM EDT
[#29]
Does the RIS II rails allow the m203 to be attached to the rail or is it still attached to the barrel? It seems like in some of the pics the m203 is attached different IIRC from the SHOT pictures.
Just a random question. Im not in the market for a m203. Have they released the new weights for the DD Lite rails? |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:12:05 AM EDT
[#30]
No info on the weights released that I know of at this point.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:16:57 AM EDT
[#31]
nevermind
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:38:28 AM EDT
[#32]
Why? I like the 12 rail closer to the barrel for laser use. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:43:07 AM EDT
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Let's remember who this rail is made for! VERY few Military groups are running a scope on their weapons and the ones that do ALL use the LT SPR or SPR-EER mount. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 6:54:22 AM EDT
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Did it hurt when you pulled that "info" out of your ass? 
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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:40:06 AM EDT
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OVERATED I have used the surefire stuff for a while and had no reason for a coninuous top rail optics should not be mounted to the HG anyway that is what the rails on the upper are there for. I think the only reason you would use the upper rail is when you want to co-witness an aimpoint or other optic with an A2 upper, when your only other option for a co-witness sight picture is a gooseneak type mount which makes the sight channel smaller anyway. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:06:28 AM EDT
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Gentlemen,
Rest assured. The production RIS II models are designed to give the user a continuous top rail. Either the upper, or the handguard are out of spec in this case. If it's the handguard, DD will take care of it. This is an anomaly. When mounted, the M203 is attached only to the RIS II. The barrel remains free floating. The new AR15 Lite Rails, utilizing the newer Bolt-Up Plate mounting system are still 6+ weeks out in production. The classic models with the Threaded Ring mount will continue to be offered. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:08:20 AM EDT
[#37]
My guess is that the rail is lower so that the sight picture through and Aimpoint, ACOG, etc. is not too disrupted by the PEQ-2 (or whatever else they’re using).
The directions for the KAC RAS-MRE says to flip the rail up-side-sown so that the top rail is lower than the receiver to accommodate the big hunk of electronics on the rail. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:13:38 AM EDT
[#38]
Is the new style the same sort of lock used on the AR10 rails? |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:18:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Yes.
The Bolt-Up Plate system was originally developed for the RIS II program, and scaled up for the AR10 Lite Rails. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 10:14:29 AM EDT
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I have talked to the guys in various SF units that are running scopes (TR21, S&B ,etc). They are using LT SPR or SPR-EER's. I guess I should add that the scope and weapons I am talking about are RECON types running 1-4 variable optics. I know that the SR25 and some other platforms come with diff. mounts, but those are generally geared towards much longer engagements. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 1:50:51 PM EDT
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I guess you just need to pay more attention when installing.
it does line up, but this forend is going back for a replacement just to make sure. 
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