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Any difference in what it is made of, or the finish?
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Thanks for the review. I have been debating about getting a B5 SOPMOD stock as I love this stock after being issued one.
Have you ever noticed any issues with the metal plunger on the LMT stocks being too long? I had to file the top of the plunger down on my issue one. I assume it's LMT but it did not say so on the package and the latch does not have the LMT logo on it like some of the others I've seen in the Army. I threw the packaging out before I could get the CAGE code off of it to look up the manufacturer. |
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Thanks for the review. Interested in your impressions of the stock after a few thousand rounds on it. I like the option of more colors.
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Any difference in what it is made of, or the finish? Sort of. I presume it's the same material, however, the letter I received said it contained more resin and glass. |
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Originally Posted By mkgunz:
Thanks for the review. I have been debating about getting a B5 SOPMOD stock as I love this stock after being issued one. Have you ever noticed any issues with the metal plunger on the LMT stocks being too long? I had to file the top of the plunger down on my issue one. I assume it's LMT but it did not say so on the package and the latch does not have the LMT logo on it like some of the others I've seen in the Army. I threw the packaging out before I could get the CAGE code off of it to look up the manufacturer. That's strange. There's probably thousands (likely tens of thousands) of LMT stocks out there. I remember buying one when they first became available and have probably seen hundreds of them since then myself. Every one has always had the LMT logo on the latch. The metal plunger should not need to be shaved. That piece is adjustable, though it should have been properly adjusted from the factory. That piece is threaded at the bottom and there's a circular nut held in place by a roll pin. If you shaved yours it simply means the circular nut at the bottom of the latch wasn't tightened enough. If it doesn't lock in to the receiver extension enough, the nit was screwed on too much. I don't presume you have any photos do you? I'm doubtful it was an LMT. |
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Curious about this.
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"When you die, if you get a choice between going to Regular Heaven or Pie Heaven, choose Pie Heaven. It might be a trick, but if not…mmmmm, boy!" -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
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I just use a CAA stock saddle. It's not like it could ever fail or anything. Seriously. It's not like it could somehow fail.
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So, fo or no fo on the B5's?
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Originally Posted By ZedsDeadBaby:
Found this: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/06/06/army-buys-sopmod-ar-15-stocks-for-just-12-28/ I would imagine that the mark up on their commercial stocks is, in part, what allows them to sell them so cheaply to the Gov. In addition, a single customer purchasing 25,000 affords said customer a lot of buying power. I'm not saying I wouldn't love for these, or any quality stock, become available for that price. Just that it's probably pretty unlikely that could ever happen. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
I just use a CAA stock saddle. It's not like it could ever fail or anything. Seriously. It's not like it could somehow fail. I'm very familiar with these. And all I can really say is, I'm glad you like yours. But, I'd venture to guess CAA hasn't sold a fraction of their add on as any of the companies who make some of the more popular stocks. I'll make do with whatever stock is on a rifle and shoot the gun as best I can. But I really don't want to take a piece, which has the tendency to loosen up, and put it on top of an already, typically loose fitting stock. I'm not paying anything for the chance to do that. |
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
I just use a CAA stock saddle. It's not like it could ever fail or anything. Seriously. It's not like it could somehow fail. I'm very familiar with these. And all I can really say is, I'm glad you like yours. But, I'd venture to guess CAA hasn't sold a fraction of their add on as any of the companies who make some of the more popular stocks. I'll make do with whatever stock is on a rifle and shoot the gun as best I can. But I really don't want to take a piece, which has the tendency to loosen up, and put it on top of an already, typically loose fitting stock. I'm not paying anything for the chance to do that. New-arguy, where did you get your B5? I have been keeping an eye on the inter-webz for the last couple of months and haven't had any luck yet. |
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Rally Point Tactical has been my contact for everything. As I post this link I see the page has changed and only lists black now. Also, the price is set at $120. I'll edit the original post to reflect this.
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Rally Point Tactical has been my contact for everything. As I post this link I see the page has changed and only lists black now. Also, the price is set at $120. I'll edit the original post to reflect this. Thanks for the link. After a quick search, looks like I just missed a couple in the EE too |
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Interesting. The SOPMOD is hands down my favorite stock. I might have to give this a shot in FDE when they are readily available.
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Coffee fueled and beer cooled, play-ah
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
I just use a CAA stock saddle. It's not like it could ever fail or anything. Seriously. It's not like it could somehow fail. They can fail - flimsy plastic and thin screws can always fail. I'd venture to guess you've never really dropped the rifle on it's stock? ETA: Neil, great review, lots of good detail. Will probably pick one of these up in the future for comparison, though as of now, I've got the capability to equip most of my non-retro clone carbines with a SOPMOD already. ~Augee |
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Charcoal Burner clinging to his guns and religion.
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interesting.
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Martin took pics today, I'm hoping to be able to share them tomorrow. Nothing spectacular, just clear pictures which should illustrate the differences pointed out in the initial post.
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Put the pics up this morning. Thanks Martin.
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thank you very much for the review, these have had my interest since I could never figure out why LMTs cost so much (yet i love them so), also glad to hear they fixed the fitment issue.
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Any difference in what it is made of, or the finish? Sort of. I presume it's the same material, however, the letter I received said it contained more resin and glass. Cant the amount of Glass have some affect in cold weather |
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Sadly, I have no idea. I can tell you that I would be surprised if I heard the B5 was weaker in any way. I'm not am engineer or materials guy. But, I've handled a lot of stocks. Stocks of good quality, stocks of very good quality, as well as poor quality stocks. Unscientific as it is, my subjective judgement would be that the B5 is a very good quality stock.
It doesn't get too frigid here in FL, but I compete about once a month and try to practice as least as much. Sometimes more. I'll be shooting the stock more this winter, and while I have no plans to abuse it, I do plan to bump it around and subject it to reasonable wear and tear, drops and heavy use. |
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If they ever get any, I may try one. Its winter here in Colorado, and yes, it does get cold here. When a rifle spends its life in the trunk of a car, temperature matters.
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so you going to sell these?
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Sadly, I have no idea. I can tell you that I would be surprised if I heard the B5 was weaker in any way. I'm not am engineer or materials guy. But, I've handled a lot of stocks. Stocks of good quality, stocks of very good quality, as well as poor quality stocks. Unscientific as it is, my subjective judgement would be that the B5 is a very good quality stock. It doesn't get too frigid here in FL, but I compete about once a month and try to practice as least as much. Sometimes more. I'll be shooting the stock more this winter, and while I have no plans to abuse it, I do plan to bump it around and subject it to reasonable wear and tear, drops and heavy use. I hear ya I moved to SWFL in 2003 from IN. I think I finally got use to the heat here I still wear cargo shorts 95% of the time Like today |
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I got one of the early B5 stocks.
Good thing i never adjust my collapsable stocks. Because once i got it on it is never comming off. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/538867__ARCHIVED_THREAD____LMT_SOPMOD_stock_vs__B5_Systems__mil_contracted_SOPMOD_stock.html&page=1 Glad to the B5 Gen II will be better quality. |
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Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I got one of the early B5 stocks. Good thing i never adjust my collapsable stocks. Because once i got it on it is never comming off. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/538867__ARCHIVED_THREAD____LMT_SOPMOD_stock_vs__B5_Systems__mil_contracted_SOPMOD_stock.html&page=1 Glad to the B5 Gen II will be better quality. Update. After being in place for a month the stock appears to have stretched to fit the receiver extension. I am now able to adjust the stock position though it still takes greater eeffort than it should. |
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Another SOPMOD copy? Didn't we go through this about seven years ago? If it turns out to be a weaker material and wollers out the latch pin hole, I came up with a fix for that.
From the archives |
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Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. |
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Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. That's good to know. I worked a small stint on the Navy's Seawolf submarine program. Every once in a while, some .mil brass get their panties in a wad if they only have one supplier of Widget A. Seawolf had some of that in the program. Maybe this is one of those times. |
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Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. |
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. Ouch, maybe this will lead to cheaper SOPMODs. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
I just use a CAA stock saddle. It's not like it could ever fail or anything. Seriously. It's not like it could somehow fail. Those actually are very functional, but... the plugs can vibrate out and the sling attachment is turned parallel to the rifle. If they sorted out those issues they'd have something. |
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Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. Ouch, maybe this will lead to cheaper SOPMODs. The B5 cost the military $12/ea. That said, LMT has no plans to drop the price on their SOPMOD |
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. Ouch, maybe this will lead to cheaper SOPMODs. The B5 cost the military $12/ea. That said, LMT has no plans to drop the price on their SOPMOD I would venture their production volume will drop due to their lack of competitiveness. |
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. Ouch, maybe this will lead to cheaper SOPMODs. The B5 cost the military $12/ea. That said, LMT has no plans to drop the price on their SOPMOD Well first KAC would have to drop the price they charge LMT to make them for them. |
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Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Another SOPMOD copy? Not really a "copy." B5 is a USGI supplier. Govt approved alternative to the LMT sold (KAC manufactured) SOPMOD. As to why the military felt it was necessary to award B5 a contract to produce these? No idea. According what LMT is hinting at, the price point was what won B5 the contract. Ouch, maybe this will lead to cheaper SOPMODs. The B5 cost the military $12/ea. That said, LMT has no plans to drop the price on their SOPMOD Well first KAC would have to drop the price they charge LMT to make them for them. Or LMT could source another supplier. |
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Lots of guessing going on. I find it unlikely anyone here knows what KAC charges LMT and if that price is a factor or not. Chances are, people will know at SHOT in January if LMT will have a different price on their stocks. I would hope so, or I too find it unlikely they will be selling very many. I'll be seeing LMT at SHOT, but I also have plans to see RPT (B5).
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Lots of guessing going on. I find it unlikely anyone here knows what KAC charges LMT and if that price is a factor or not. Chances are, people will know at SHOT in January if LMT will have a different price on their stocks. I would hope so, or I too find it unlikely they will be selling very many. I'll be seeing LMT at SHOT, but I also have plans to see RPT (B5). True.. No plans could turn into plans, I emailed LMT regarding the subject of the B5 and their pricing. I'd post the exact answers but you know companies these days, with their privacy clauses |
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Some people are complaining of the Gen II B5's still being too tight. The latches not being tight enough. The rubber butt plate being too glossey and falling off in routine handling.
Might want to wait for Gen III |
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Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Some people are complaining of the Gen II B5's still being too tight. The latches not being tight enough. The rubber butt plate being too glossey and falling off in routine handling. Might want to wait for Gen III I'm surprised to hear this... If we are talking about the same stock. So far as I can tell, the rubber plate fastens to the stock precisely the same way, so unless something was breaking, I'm not sure how it would fall off? Also, the latch is not as tight as the LMT, but it's a far, far, FAR stretch to say it isn't tight enough. The one stock I have fits on every mil spec tube I've tried it on. From LMT to BCM, to Stag to Daniel Defense and Vltor. In addition, it appears as if Noveske has started shipping B5s on at least some of their rifles. I'm not saying the above reports are bogus, I don't know. I can only say what I have seen judging by the twenty or so stocks I have handled, all of them (minus one) on guns shipped from Noveske, plus my one stock as seen on page one. It is still as it was the day I got it. Based on my admittedly limited experience with this relatively small number of stocks, I'm surprised to hear that. I'll move mine to another gun that I have been shooting most these days to put more rounds on it. I can't imagine anything will change, it's a good stock no matter how I look at it. But, I realize the B5 does not have the track record or sheer number of trouble free stocks being used like LMT. So still, time will tell. |
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ROG tactical has these in stock for $95 just bought one for my new colt.
Yes it is the newer model. Has been great so far. |
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does anyone know, does the tan/fde or whatever color, is it close to the color of the real sopmod?
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
does anyone know, does the tan/fde or whatever color, is it close to the color of the real sopmod? no, it is closer to Magpul FDE. B5 will be bringing a Coyote colored stock down the road |
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Originally Posted By eternal24k: Originally Posted By Lancelot: does anyone know, does the tan/fde or whatever color, is it close to the color of the real sopmod? no, it is closer to Magpul FDE. B5 will be bringing a Coyote colored stock down the road Thanks |
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Of course, I've mentioned a few times how I have mounted the stock on several receiver extensions and how it fits fine on everything I have tried. I have also mentioned how the latch is looser than the LMT, but not so loose I would even describe it as being loose.
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