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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:39:25 PM EDT
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If it ejects and cycles it's fine.
File this under "my car's engine makes a noise when I push the gas pedal" |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:43:50 PM EDT
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Agree...no problems what so ever. its his first and he got upset....we were just shooting the shi! to see if maybe we could adjust it.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:46:17 PM EDT
[#3]
so it's doing it's job
you can use a piece of velcro on the deflector to prevent the brass from leaving a mark |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:46:35 PM EDT
[#4]
Hell, I like 5:00
Keeps the brass down off my bitchy neighbors at a tight range.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so it's doing it's job you can use a piece of velcro on the deflector to prevent the brass from leaving a mark Thats not a bad idea! I personally dont care about mine...but it is his first and he waited a long time. He will learn! lol
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:07:50 PM EDT
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Never understood people getting upset about brass deflector wear.
A shot rifle is cooler looking than the 30 round a year safe queen. Teach him it's a tool, tools show wear if you use them. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:47:47 PM EDT
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I'm not following what the issue is here.....
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Posted: 4/24/2014 8:09:11 PM EDT
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The issue is: Is there anyway to adjust the ejection of brass from 5:00 to something more forward like 3:00 for example?
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Posted: 4/24/2014 8:20:34 PM EDT
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Probably needs a H or H2 buffer. Either way, it works and it's a tool. My Noveske has brass all over its deflector. It wears it with pride.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 8:25:51 PM EDT
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The issue is: Is there anyway to adjust the ejection of brass from 5:00 to something more forward like 3:00 for example? Well... if you feel you must change the ejection pattern! Get and install an adjustable gas block... use it to reduce the gas blown back into the gas key on the bolt carrier. If you really want to have total control... first open up the gas port on the barrel and you can over gas or under gas the bolt carrier until the non-existant problem you have no longer exists. A prudent person would leave the gas system alone. It's your rifle and money! (or your "friends" rifle and money) (Of course there is this old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!") |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 8:55:08 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you that if it aint broke dont fix it. His father and I were just wondering if there was an easy way to adjust it.
Its the kids first gun and he is really exicted... |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:17:11 PM EDT
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You could try replacing the buffer spring or changing the buffer to a different weight.
What weight buffer is installed in the gun now? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:44:47 AM EDT
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If it works you would be silly to mess with it. Unless it is ejecting at 5oclock with zero force and just barely plopping out. But that's the point of your post his deflector is taking a beating. Instead of braking some that's fixed tell the kid this is how it outta work. You can lighten the buffer to probably get a more forward ejection but his deflector is still gonna get hit. If he doesn't like an AR in good working order suggest airsoft. The Velcro is your best fix if this thing is cycling with his ammo.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:09:53 AM EDT
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I put a piece of a foam/rubbery type of material that is sticky on one side on my brass deflector...not in order to prevent the BD from getting dinged up, but i did so based on the advice of a HP shooter....its easier on the brass and according to him it helps prevent it from getting thrown as far.
Personally I don't think either is true, but I never bothered taking the stuff off (mainly because I forgot its on there). OP, if the kid wants to save the BD that may be an option for him. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:14:08 AM EDT
[#15]
So the problem is brass deflecting off the brass deflector?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So the problem is brass deflecting off the brass deflector? Not really, it is more about the deflecting brass off the brass deflector is marring the brass deflector. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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Probably easier to fix the kid and I'm explain that's why the brass deflector is there. Or, but a slick sided upper and replace it. No more brass deflector wear.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 3:44:08 AM EDT
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Even if you change the ejection pattern the deflector will show wear. By nature of its purpose it gets hit with empty cases.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:23:30 AM EDT
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Agreed. First post!
The idea behind a deflector was to bounce brass down softly instead of throwing it... this way lefties could shoot m16s w/o taking it in the face |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:50:08 AM EDT
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Unless he reloads and case mouths are getting beat up, leave it alone.
Brass deflector is s'posed to get brassed up. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:52:00 AM EDT
[#21]
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Probably needs a H or H2 buffer. Either way, it works and it's a tool. My Noveske has brass all over its deflector. It wears it with pride. He needs a lighter buffer or more gas. However, as long as it's ejecting it's fine. Brass comes off with some Hoppes #9. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:16:04 AM EDT
[#22]
Convince him this is fine and to be expected. Tell him not to try to tune the ejection on a rifle that is working properly.
Also, tell him that if he uses steel case, it won't just leave brass marks, it will eventually remove the finish. Tell him worn deflectors are beautiful and chicks dig them. You might want to warn him about what the internals are going to look like after a thousand rounds too. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:53:36 AM EDT
[#23]
dude its an AR15 not a piece of art
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:06:51 AM EDT
[#24]
simple and easy fix, dont shoot it
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:25:35 AM EDT
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Agreed. First post! The idea behind a deflector was to bounce brass down softly instead of throwing it... this way lefties could shoot m16s w/o taking it in the face No, the idea of a deflector was to deflect brass away from left-handed shooters. It has nothing to do with bouncing it "softly". When I shot highpower, and was tired of looking everywhere for my brass after I finished a string, I trimmed a couple coils off my ejector spring. Ended up with a nice neat pile of brass at 3:00. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:24:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Does he know it 'shits where it eats' yet?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:30:19 AM EDT
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My deflector on my M&P 15T was brass colored within 5 shots when I took it out to sight it in. Future BIL stood back and caught the brass in his shirt after a while. It's consistent. Consistently at 5 o'clock.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:42:17 AM EDT
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The AR loads, fires and ejects. No malfunctions???
I wish everything was so easy. Where is the problem?? gd |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:46:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Wait a second, so the brass deflector deflected brass?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:47:43 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: simple and easy fix, dont shoot it LOL I know that and you know that and the kid will learn that as well. But now Im curious if it can be tuned to ones liking and its clear that quite a few here are missing this point...I understand that if aint broke dont fix it and I dont care if mine gets dinged up....but the experience with the kids first AR lead us to this question...and now were curious if it can be tuned...thats all.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does he know it 'shits where it eats' yet? Seriously....thats your contribution? Im interested in expert advice/comments...not smart ass remarks.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:55:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could try replacing the buffer spring or changing the buffer to a different weight. What weight buffer is installed in the gun now? Standard. Personally I think the American Eagle ammo is the cause and that a higher load would be perfect. Its really now more out of curiosity then anything else. Hell I wouldnt mind learning how to tune it, never know when I may really have to! |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:04:30 AM EDT
[#33]
I would highly suggest not messing with it if it functions properly.
But if you want to mess with it I'd suggest a H or H2 buffer, a new/higher spring rate buffer spring, or as someone else said: Try clipping a coil off the ejector spring or buying a weaker ejector spring. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:09:59 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would highly suggest not messing with it if it functions properly. But if you want to mess with it I'd suggest a H or H2 buffer, a new/higher spring rate buffer spring, or as someone else said: Try clipping a coil off the ejector spring or buying a weaker ejector spring. Thanks! Will let them know and will file for future reference
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:17:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would highly suggest not messing with it if it functions properly. But if you want to mess with it I'd suggest a H or H2 buffer, a new/higher spring rate buffer spring, or as someone else said: Try clipping a coil off the ejector spring or buying a weaker ejector spring. I would also leave the ejector spring alone.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:47:41 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
He needs a lighter buffer or more gas. However, as long as it's ejecting it's fine. Brass comes off with some Hoppes #9. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably needs a H or H2 buffer. Either way, it works and it's a tool. My Noveske has brass all over its deflector. It wears it with pride. He needs a lighter buffer or more gas. However, as long as it's ejecting it's fine. Brass comes off with some Hoppes #9. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:18:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Sounds Normal....
Brass marks on Deflector = Working mans gun.... Beware of the man that has a worn brass deflector 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:34:23 AM EDT
[#38]
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Standard. Personally I think the American Eagle ammo is the cause and that a higher load would be perfect. Its really now more out of curiosity then anything else. Hell I wouldnt mind learning how to tune it, never know when I may really have to! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You could try replacing the buffer spring or changing the buffer to a different weight. What weight buffer is installed in the gun now? Standard. Personally I think the American Eagle ammo is the cause and that a higher load would be perfect. Its really now more out of curiosity then anything else. Hell I wouldnt mind learning how to tune it, never know when I may really have to! I've seen vids of AE XM193 rounds being chrono'd at 3000-3100 fps out of a 16" barrel. That's hotter than most rounds. I don't think loading is the answer. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:03:06 AM EDT
[#39]
Leave it how it is!!!
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:09:30 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
LOL I know that and you know that and the kid will learn that as well. But now Im curious if it can be tuned to ones liking and its clear that quite a few here are missing this point...I understand that if aint broke dont fix it and I dont care if mine gets dinged up....but the experience with the kids first AR lead us to this question...and now were curious if it can be tuned...thats all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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simple and easy fix, dont shoot it LOL I know that and you know that and the kid will learn that as well. But now Im curious if it can be tuned to ones liking and its clear that quite a few here are missing this point...I understand that if aint broke dont fix it and I dont care if mine gets dinged up....but the experience with the kids first AR lead us to this question...and now were curious if it can be tuned...thats all. Did you see my previous post stating that the ejected cases are going to hit the brass deflector anyway? Sure, you can tune it. But it ain't gonna stop the brass deflector from deflectin' dat brass. Best case is that you change which part of the deflector the cases contact. As most people have already recommended, it sounds like its working fine so it's probably best to leave it alone. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:15:08 AM EDT
[#41]
I have cut half a coil off the ejector spring until they piled up where I wanted and it worked fine. I wouldn't mess with other buffers if the rifle is working.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:32:06 AM EDT
[#42]
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The issue is: Is there anyway to adjust the ejection of brass from 5:00 to something more forward like 3:00 for example? Yeah, different ammo. you DONT adjust this. if you want a noob to learn teach him its normal and is nothing. do NOT teach him to velcro or electrical tape the "brunton bump" , tech the right things like how to shoot. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:42:40 AM EDT
[#43]
Brass deflector works.... I don't get the problem...
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:46:54 AM EDT
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Sounds Normal.... Brass marks on Deflector = Working mans gun.... Beware of the man that has a worn brass deflector I like you. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:12:26 AM EDT
[#45]
I used to put electrical tape on mine when it was brand new to keep it looking good as long as possible. It doesn't stick out(black on black), is easy to put on and easy to peel off after you're done at the range. After shooting thousands and thousands of rounds the rest of the rifle has plenty of "character" marks and I really don't care what my brass deflector looks like. I'm sure if I were to buy another aid do the same thing for awhile...
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:32:06 AM EDT
[#46]
I knew people who put the fuzzy side of velcro on theirs, but it wasn't to protect the deflector - it was to protect the brass for reloading, and to deaden the bounce a bit so the brass is easier to find.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:17:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brass deflector works.... I don't get the problem... Too funny! Amen! |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, different ammo. you DONT adjust this. if you want a noob to learn teach him its normal and is nothing. do NOT teach him to velcro or electrical tape the "brunton bump" , tech the right things like how to shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The issue is: Is there anyway to adjust the ejection of brass from 5:00 to something more forward like 3:00 for example? Yeah, different ammo. you DONT adjust this. if you want a noob to learn teach him its normal and is nothing. do NOT teach him to velcro or electrical tape the "brunton bump" , tech the right things like how to shoot. Agree 1000% The kid needs to learn the real ways of the world and he will, he's still a puppy. Its his first and he's excited so I'm not going to dampen his birthday. After we got done dealing with him we began to wonder if we could tune it...its a curiosity and desire for knowledge rather then it being a problem. Personally, I think it would be bad to the bone to have that ability...but at the same time I go for reliability and prefer it running with it as is...it has zero issues is the accuracy is ridiculous. As he reads this thread I am sure he will understand the value of what he has and understand that its the norm. But his father and I are always interested in learning more...its just part of the process. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:38:51 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you see my previous post stating that the ejected cases are going to hit the brass deflector anyway? Sure, you can tune it. But it ain't gonna stop the brass deflector from deflectin' dat brass. Best case is that you change which part of the deflector the cases contact. As most people have already recommended, it sounds like its working fine so it's probably best to leave it alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: simple and easy fix, dont shoot it LOL I know that and you know that and the kid will learn that as well. But now Im curious if it can be tuned to ones liking and its clear that quite a few here are missing this point...I understand that if aint broke dont fix it and I dont care if mine gets dinged up....but the experience with the kids first AR lead us to this question...and now were curious if it can be tuned...thats all. Did you see my previous post stating that the ejected cases are going to hit the brass deflector anyway? Sure, you can tune it. But it ain't gonna stop the brass deflector from deflectin' dat brass. Best case is that you change which part of the deflector the cases contact. As most people have already recommended, it sounds like its working fine so it's probably best to leave it alone. I did and you certainly aren't one of the few missing the point...I appreciate the input! |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:56:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Have him shoot it left handed. Then explain why it's there.
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